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[Lucy Glitter]

Imagine how angry he'd be at Varric for being friends with Dorian.     

 

Maybe they aren't friends... ? Maybe Dorian has to prove he isn't a total psychopath before Varric gives him a nickname. 

[BabyFratelli]

Maybe they aren't friends... ? Maybe Dorian has to prove he isn't a total psychopath before Varric gives him a nickname. 

 

Ooo, the idea of Varric not getting along with people feels alien to me, even though it's already been heavily implied he won't get along with the Bull. 

[Uccio]

I want my pc to have the option to restore Tevinter Imperium back to its former glory. All hail supreme magisters!!

[Lucy Glitter]

Ooo, the idea of Varric not getting along with people feels alien to me, even though it's already been heavily implied he won't get along with the Bull. 

 

Let's hope he still gives nicknames to anyone regardless... his nicknames were such a highlight of DA2.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Magocracy ftw ! 

[Vilegrim]

http://www.ladyinsan...kdown-e3demodai

 

So, Dorian.

 

When has the Tervinter Imperium been honorable in anything.

 

They always allowed slavery, and public torture in their nation, and love it. Their own country is built upon the blood of the weak, and innocent.

 

They caused the blight, and you can bet the Venatori are their product as well. These people kill slaves, and mundane folk for anything, and think there's nothing wrong with it. 

 

In ancient times, the sewer system of an entire city was channeling rivers of blood to their unholy, "Forbidden Ones". Tervinter has no honor.

 

How do people become powerful in that madhouse?- By blood magic, and doing despicable, unspeakable acts of evil.

 

 

How is that any different from the Templars?  If you can redeem the templars, then Tevinter certainly can be.

[AkiKishi]

Welcome to "Not judging historical and fantasy societies through the prism of modernity 101".

[TheLittleTpot]

If I had to choose between either being a Tevinter slave, an Alienage elf or a casteless dwarf...I honestly am not sure which would be worse than the other. All three positions offer very little choice, the last one almost guarantees being in a constant state of starvation, the middle and last one puts you in a position where someone with higher status could kill you with impunity, whereas in the first one you mainly run the risk of your master being a lunatic and killing you in possibly horrifying ways.

 

If I had to choose just between being a Tevinter slave or an elven servant in Orlais though, I'd pick the former in a heartbeat. I am so not about to deal with Orlesian nobles 24/7. Tevinter, for all it's faults, at least has some sensible fashion trends.

[Feybrad]

It hasn't to do anything with judging those societies trough a modern prism. Some things are inherently evil and wrong, regardless of cultural circumstances, time periods or point of views. If you lived in a society, where murder was socially acceptable, would that make it less evil? If you lived in a time period, where rape wasn't looked down upon, would that make it less evil? If you lived in a place, where slavery would be seen as normal, would that make it less evil?

 

No. No it won't. Slavery is evil and everyone who enslaves other people is at least rotten on the inside. Even if other Nations have similar systems, that doesn't make tevinter better but them worse.

[Chashan]

I don't think Tevinter is necessarily all bad. Are there incredibly screwed up aspects of their culture? Oh, heck yeah. But I think it's important to remember that not every person in the Imperium agrees with or takes part in such things (even if many of them do). Also, we've learned about Tevinter mostly from other people who dislike them due to an overall fear of mages and historical imperialism. Plus the whole Andraste thing, and let's face it: stuff like that happens all the time when you don't actually believe in a religion. One person's prophet is another's crazy person.

 

I think most countries have terrible things associated with them to one degree or another. It's easy to condemn Tevinter's slavery (and it should be), but it's worth mentioning that America did that too, as did Britain. As far as Dorian goes, I interpret the situation as him wanting to take the good parts of Tevinter and keep them while fixing the problems--only time will tell on the details of his character since we don't know too much.

 

True enough. One may argue that abolishing slavery did by no means solve racial segregation and the generally disadvantageous position of people of a certain complexion in society, particularly in the U.S.A.'s case. Not to mention "sweat-shops" and manufacturing exported to third-world countries nowadays at lowest wages possible to maximize corp's profits, at the expense of workers there, but I digress.

 

Staying within Thedas, there's always the dirty laundry the Southern nations, even oh-so liberal Ferelden have to consider: treatment of elves settled within Alienages, Orlesian serfdom, etc.

 

 

 

Regardless, I would very much appreciate a different take on the Imperium. Even with the unreliable information we were given on it up until now I do not irrevocably condemn it due to the following:

 

 

Welcome to "Not judging historical and fantasy societies through the prism of modernity 101".

 

 

Which is rather apt. Thedas is a fictional setting on a widely different stage in development, and the real globe isn't governed by one set of rules and morality either.
 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Heh tevinter is one of that countries in fiction that have big sign "Evil" on the border on second place probably lands orlais. 

[ElitePinecone]

ERMAGHERD, TERVINTER

[martiancake]

The comics (Silent Grove/Those who Speak/Until we Sleep) show us Tevinter itself. Briefly, but still.

Spoiler

Varric's cousin-by-marriage (Maevaris) is a Tevinter magister who is pretty awesome and not eeevil. But then there's Titus, who is a Grade-A Real Bad Dude. Who apparently wanted to "restore Tevinter's greatness" via blood magic/mind control.

[ManOfSteel]

Hopefully a future game will present us with the option to aid the Qunari in their noble quest to flatten Tevinter and bring it crashing to the ground. It's what Thedas needs and Tevinter deserves.

[Das Tentakel]

It hasn't to do anything with judging those societies trough a modern prism. Some things are inherently evil and wrong, regardless of cultural circumstances, time periods or point of views. If you lived in a society, where murder was socially acceptable, would that make it less evil? If you lived in a time period, where rape wasn't looked down upon, would that make it less evil? If you lived in a place, where slavery would be seen as normal, would that make it less evil?

 

No. No it won't. Slavery is evil and everyone who enslaves other people is at least rotten on the inside. Even if other Nations have similar systems, that doesn't make tevinter better but them worse.

 

Most of your ancestors from a few centuries back would like a word with you.

[Vilegrim]

Hopefully a future game will present us with the option to aid the Qunari in their noble quest to flatten Tevinter and bring it crashing to the ground. It's what Thedas needs and Tevinter deserves.

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except the qunari are worse, seriously, the mind wipe slavery they practice is terrifying. (You will serve, if you will not you will be broken so that you will)

[Feybrad]

Most of your ancestors from a few centuries back would like a word with you.

 

I'd probably loathe them with all my heart. Hell, I'm german, I don't need to look even a century back to loathe my ancestors.

[Eleinehmm]

I'd probably loathe them with all my heart. Hell, I'm german, I don't need to look even a century back to loathe my ancestors.

 

Well, I honestly hope that people 100-200 years from now will count the modern society as horribad evil: there is enough facepalm worthy things in it for it to happen.

 

That said, I do not belive in universal morality. I just think that certan systems will make more people happy then others, live and let live kinds of stuff.

[LilyasAvalon]

The comics (Silent Grove/Those who Speak/Until we Sleep) show us Tevinter itself. Briefly, but still.

Spoiler

Varric's cousin-by-marriage (Maevaris) is a Tevinter magister who is pretty awesome and not eeevil. But then there's Titus, who is a Grade-A Real Bad Dude. Who apparently wanted to "restore Tevinter's greatness" via blood magic/mind control.

 

Maeveris is bloody awesome and I already like Dorian a lot more then Vivienne.

 

People can be good people with good intentions but still have misguided views. What about Merrill? Our puppydog eyed blood mage?

 

Merrill's easily one of the SWEETEST characters in the Dragon Age series, and at worst, she'll make frowny faces at you. Does that mean she's not an idiot for using and trusting bloood magic? Hell no.

 

We don't know that much about Dorian's character yet either. He may be absolutely against slavery and blood magic, he may consider it the most normal thing in the world.

 

Let's hope he still gives nicknames to anyone regardless... his nicknames were such a highlight of DA2.

I vote for Twirly or Stachey.

[Lucy Glitter]

Maeveris is bloody awesome and I already like Dorian a lot more then Vivienne.

 

People can be good people with good intentions but still have misguided views. What about Merrill? Our puppydog eyed blood mage?

 

Merrill's easily one of the SWEETEST characters in the Dragon Age series, and at worst, she'll make frowny faces at you. Does that mean she's not an idiot for using and trusting bloood magic? Hell no.

 

We don't know that much about Dorian's character yet either. He may be absolutely against slavery and blood magic, he may consider it the most normal thing in the world.

 

I vote for Twirly or Stachey.

 

"The 'Stache."

[katling73]

Obviously slavery is bad hands down but based on what we do know from in game knowledge and events is that being a slave wasn't necessarily permanent. It was possible to 'upgrade' from slave to free person in Tevinter even if your master was 'evil'. After all, that was what Fenris' brands were all about. He participated in a competition. The prize was freedom for his mother and sister and lyrium brands and retrograde amnesia for him. Although we learn from Varania(sp?) that freedom wasn't the prize they all thought it was going to be, she had also been given the opportunity to become a magister herself. So it's clearly entirely possible to go from slave to magister - the lowest to the highest - in Tevinter. That's not the sort of thing that happens in the kind of tyranny the OP seems to think Tevinter is.

 

In fact, from what little we know, I'd say that Tevinter seems to reflect the way slavery was run in Ancient Rome. Unsurprisingly since Tevinter seems to be something of a transplant of Ancient Rome based on the language they use. In which case it's quite likely that many slaves in the better households are highly trained and very skilled, possibly even taking on such roles as teachers, scribes and doctors.

 

I would suspect what your life was like as a slave is entirely dependent on what your master or mistress is like. Danarius and his apprentice Hadriana were clearly very unpleasant people and thus most of their friends were probably much like them hence Fenris' entirely understandable opinion of Tevinter. But are they reflective of Tevinter magisters as a whole? We don't know. We haven't been given that sort of information. I suspect there's a number of factions and it's entirely likely that Danarius sits in one faction but Dorian is representative of another faction entirely. I guess we'll just have to wait until we can find out more about Dorian to find out.

[Eleinehmm]

Obviously slavery is bad hands down but based on what we do know from in game knowledge and events is that being a slave wasn't necessarily permanent. It was possible to 'upgrade' from slave to free person in Tevinter even if your master was 'evil'. After all, that was what Fenris' brands were all about. He participated in a competition. The prize was freedom for his mother and sister and lyrium brands and retrograde amnesia for him. Although we learn from Varania(sp?) that freedom wasn't the prize they all thought it was going to be, she had also been given the opportunity to become a magister herself. So it's clearly entirely possible to go from slave to magister - the lowest to the highest - in Tevinter. That's not the sort of thing that happens in the kind of tyranny the OP seems to think Tevinter is.

 

In fact, from what little we know, I'd say that Tevinter seems to reflect the way slavery was run in Ancient Rome. Unsurprisingly since Tevinter seems to be something of a transplant of Ancient Rome based on the language they use. In which case it's quite likely that many slaves in the better households are highly trained and very skilled, possibly even taking on such roles as teachers, scribes and doctors.

 

I would suspect what your life was like as a slave is entirely dependent on what your master or mistress is like. Danarius and his apprentice Hadriana were clearly very unpleasant people and thus most of their friends were probably much like them hence Fenris' entirely understandable opinion of Tevinter. But are they reflective of Tevinter magisters as a whole? We don't know. We haven't been given that sort of information. I suspect there's a number of factions and it's entirely likely that Danarius sits in one faction but Dorian is representative of another faction entirely. I guess we'll just have to wait until we can find out more about Dorian to find out.

 

Woudn't say it's completly Roman. Roman equvalents of liberati had a little bit more freedom then do in Tevinter.

[Wulfram]

Ooo, the idea of Varric not getting along with people feels alien to me, even though it's already been heavily implied he won't get along with the Bull. 

 

He didn't really get along with Sebastian, I thought

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Hopefully a future game will present us with the option to aid the Qunari in their noble quest to flatten Tevinter and bring it crashing to the ground. It's what Thedas needs and Tevinter deserves.

I doubt the Qunari would need help, seems the only reason they haven't crushed Tevinter already is cos it would make every other nation hostile towards them again.

[Eleinehmm]

Hopefully a future game will present us with the option to aid the Qunari in their noble quest to flatten Tevinter and bring it crashing to the ground. It's what Thedas needs and Tevinter deserves.

 

Some would argue that the certanty of the Qun is even worse.  Plus there is this brainwashing thingy...