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[Asdrubael Vect]

I bet slaves in the imperium are done the same or much worse to.

in Ancient Tevinter maybe but not in modern thats for sure

 

and if you will try to blame modern Tevinter for what was done in Ancient Tevinter by the will of very powerfull somniary Old Gods for whom non-mages and mages humans do blood sacrifices and let dragons eat peoples milenia ago so do not forget that all Thedas was a part of Ancient Tevinter what have a 90% of all Thedas humans population and Dwarves was not a morally "good guys" in those times and have slaves too

[Eveangaline]

Can't we just say that both Tevinter and Qunari have some terrible aspects to their culture that should be done away with?

[TheKomandorShepard]

in Ancient Tevinter maybe but not in modern thats for sure

 

and if you will try to blame modern Tevinter for what was done in Ancient Tevinter by the will of very powerfull somniary Old Gods for whom non-mages and mages humans do blood sacrifices and let dragons eat peoples milenia ago so do not forget that all Thedas was a part of Ancient Tevinter what have a 90% of all Thedas humans population and Dwarves was not a morally "good guys" in those times and have slaves too

Yeah Danarius just sacrificed child slave on party just to impress others.Well fenris didn't had pretty life as well.

 

Can't we just say that both Tevinter and Qunari have some terrible aspects to their culture that should be done away with?

And what that aspect with qunari are?

[Asdrubael Vect]

Yeah Danarius just sacrificed child slave on party just to impress others.Well fenris didn't had pretty life as well.

ah those funny Fenris lying fairytales about his "horrible life and how eval Danarius wanted to kill him"

[Eleinehmm]

ah those funny Fenris fairytales

 

Umm, I would guess he actually did.  We've met the man, and he was quite unplesant (to put it mildly) .

[TheKomandorShepard]

ah those funny Fenris fairytales

Yeah right... because magisters are such nice peoples hurting their slaves is totally not their style

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

in Ancient Tevinter maybe but not in modern thats for sure
 
and if you will try to blame modern Tevinter for what was done in Ancient Tevinter by the will of very powerfull somniary Old Gods for whom non-mages and mages humans do blood sacrifices and let dragons eat peoples milenia ago so do not forget that all Thedas was a part of Ancient Tevinter what have a 90% of all Thedas humans population and Dwarves was not a morally "good guys" in those times and have slaves too

Im not sure if all of Thedas was apart of the old Tevinter Imperium, isn't it seen as a mark of pride in Ferelden that they were never conquered by the Imperium despite their several invasion attempts.

[Asdrubael Vect]

Umm, I would guess he actually did.  We've met the man, and he was quite unplesant (to put it mildly) .

and this unpleasant elf blooded old men was his lover and made him super soldier who lived in luxury with him on Seheron while his family starved on Tevinter cities and Varania became a servant for some Ariman

 

we know many things about our lying Fenris especially from Varania and WOT

[Eleinehmm]

Im not sure if all of Thedas was apart of the old Tevinter Imperium, isn't it seen as a mark of pride in Ferelden that they were never conquered by the Imperium despite their several invasion attempts.

 

Since there was no Ferelden (as a country) to speak of, I imagine the situation to be closer to what happened to the British Isles during late Roman Empire, meaning that the part of it was conquered, (hence the Imperial Highway), while a part of it was not.

[Asdrubael Vect]

Im not sure if all of Thedas was apart of the old Tevinter Imperium, isn't it seen as a mark of pride in Ferelden that they were never conquered by the Imperium despite their several invasion attempts.

Circle Tower, Ostagar, Denerim and many places

[Eleinehmm]

and this unpleasant elf blooded old men was his lover and made him super soldier who lived in luxury with him on Seheron while his family starved on Tevinter

 

we know many things about Fenris expecially from Varania and WOT

 

I have read the WOT and I don't remeber anything that would suggest it.

[Nyeredzi]

Circle Tower, Ostagar, Denerim and many places

The Tervinter was an emperor which CONQUERED other nations. Those civilizations didn't worship the old gods, they hated dragons. The tervinter was just powerful, expansive.

[Asdrubael Vect]

I have read the WOT and I don't remeber anything that would suggest it.

we see WOT we see and heard all peoples with what Fenris was connected and we see Tevinter city and party what have far worst people that Danarius have with his Senators

[Eleinehmm]

we see WOT we see and heard all peoples with what Fenris was connected and we see Tevinter city and party what have far worst people that Danarius have with his Senators

 

I honestly don't understand what are you trying to say.

[Asdrubael Vect]

The Tervinter was an emperor which CONQUERED other nations. Those civilizations didn't worship the old gods, they hated dragons. The tervinter was just powerful, expansive.

the humans have only 4  ancient kingdoms and some barbarian minority who go for south 

 

whose kingdoms was become Tevinter Imperium and them worship dragons before Magisters and Old Gods

[Asdrubael Vect]

I honestly don't understand what are you trying to say.

Fenris is a liar many of what he said does not make sense

[Eleinehmm]

Fenris is a liar

 

It's never been stated anywhere. He was actually talking about the things he has experienced and  I don't see how they contradict the info in the WOT.

[Eleinehmm]

I wouldn't say that Fenris was lying as much as he was an unreliable amnesiac. I'm sure that before he lost his memory that he was down with a lot of what Danarius was ordering him to do. What he does remember is one single Magister (and his circle of friends) being a dick to slaves. 

 

That is an acceptable explanation, even though I don't think he was the only one to be "a dick"

[leaguer of one]

The Templars' honorable past was when they took down dangerous mages, and saved people from blood mages who were doing bad stuff to the mundane helpless folk. The Templars can be easily redeemed by enforcing control via new leadership, and new rules. Where as an entire nation ruled by evil, powerful mages cannot.

BS. First off at that time when their issue with blood mages at large it was the inquisition that took them down. Added we don't have a rampant issue of blood mages or dangerous mages up to the mage templer war. Also,you missing out the point that templer also protect mages from people who want to do them hard and all the templer who miss use their power and abuse mages. Finally, going by the demo at e3, people are also sick of the templers and the templers in their paranoia are attack people who are not part of the conflict. Even the red templers are enslaving people for their war effort.

[Asdrubael Vect]

It's never been stated anywhere. He was actually talking about the things he has experienced and  I don't see how they contradict the info in the WOT.

so your really think that in Imperium where blood magic sacrifices(if you read WOt you will even see a letter from Orlais Chantry about some Magister who secretly do sacrifice without any clues and even kitchen slaves who can read and whote what many thedas people can not have nothing exept suspicions) is banned as illegal slavery for what they execute and Magisters have a high competition and any mistake and weakness would be fatal for them

 

it would be ok for Danarius to kill some boy to show blood magic in front of senators?

 

and you think its true?

[Altima Darkspells]

People are generally people wherever you go. There are some good, there are some bad. I imagine Tevinter is no more or less different than anywhere else.

Granted, the Tevinter people we meet are awful, but they're more or less all slavers. They're supposed to be asses. It's not like it's a country full of mustache-twirling villains.

Keep in mind that Tevinter took a lot of brunt from the Qunari invasion, and they never actually made peace with the Qunari. That means they've been fighting them for years, without the rest of Thedas (and, strangely enough, pretty much made Hawke a kind of folksie hero for killing the Arishok). Bad people are able to manipulate and put themselves into positions of power during wartime because they often have to 'do what is necessary'.

But let's not forget that Tevinter doesn't have a monopoly of really crappy political characters. Howe, for example, and he was going to be one of the top officials in Ferelden had Loghain succeeded. Then there's people like Meredith, the Lord Seeker, Gaspard, and so on. All insane, corrupt, and in positions of power that generally make people's lives hell.

[Eleinehmm]

so your really think that in Imperium where blood magic sacrifices is banned as illegal slavery for what they execute and Magisters have a high competition and any mistake and weakness would be fatal

 

it would be ok for Danarius to kill some boy to show blood magic in front of senators?

 

and you think its true?

 

Feel free to PM me if you are willing to continue this discussion in PM: It's really hard to understand you, but I am a professional linguist and there is a fair chance I will be able to debate with you in your native language (I speak a number of IE ones).

[TheKomandorShepard]

so your really think that in Imperium where blood magic sacrifices(if you read WOt you will se a letter from Orlais Chantry about some Magister who secretly do sacrifice) is banned as illegal slavery for what they execute and Magisters have a high competition and any mistake and weakness would be fatal

 

it would be ok for Danarius to kill some boy to show blood magic in front of senators?

 

and you think its true?

It is said many times in the series that ban on blood magic is a myth sure it may be written somewhere but isn't enforced.Blood magic is a norm and i would say even requirement to stay in your position.Pretty much lambert backstory showed that perfectly. In the end it is open secret like orlesian game that breaks many laws but authorities turn a blind eye.

[leaguer of one]

It is said many times in the series that ban on blood magic is a myth sure it may be written somewhere but isn't enforced.Blood magic is a norm and i would say even requirement to stay in your position.Pretty much lambert backstory showed that perfectly. In the end it is open secret like orlesian game that breaks many laws but authorities turn a blind eye.

In Orlais, it's a law not to murder anyone with out cause but the people who enforce the laws do it all the time. Is that law a myth,too?