As I've said before I think American animation is geared too heavily toward kids. I like the Clone Wars but can't we have something that is geared more toward adults? Would you watch an animated Mass Effect series or an animated sci fi series set in an universe that is just as deep and engaging as Mass Effect?
I have and would again. I think the problem lies with the American audience, they just aren't going to take an animated series seriously. Just not going to happen without years of cultural re-education. The only people that would watch are animation fans and there aren't enough of them to register on Nielsen.
Whaddya mean would?
Starship Troopers Chronicles for all it's poor CGI animation, dodgy stories and firm PG rating comes closest to seriously showing war in space in animated form (for an American production) and that lasted one whole season.
The original Clone Wars (2003-2005) beat the midichorians out of the CG version but everyone seems to have forgotten it.
http://tvtropes.org/...mationAgeGhetto
I hate the animation age ghetto!
So, I expected the question was whether I would want to watch Sci-fi animation, in which case I'd say yes -- Ghost in the Shell, Ergo Proxy etc. But your question is about Mass Effect. Wouldn't it be relevant to make this topic in the Mass Effect section? As for an animated series of Mass Effect. I have no interest in the franchise anymore -- So, yeah, not really.
Of course. To me, animated media can be vastly superior to live-action media when presenting sci-fi due to real life technical limitations which obviously don't occur in animation. Obviously there's CGI but it can seem fake and not fit in with the live-action. With animation everything can flow seamlessly due to it all being from the same source.
Obviously there are classics like Star Trek and Star Wars which work well, but Mass Effect is a whole other can of worms in terms of the technology available(e.g. omnitools), biotic powers, the different races and how it all flows together.
There really should be more animated Sci Fi.
I wouldn't say superior -- There's plenty of good sci-fi flicks, which aren't necessarily about aliens, cybernetics or techonological advanced futures. Moon by Duncan Jones comes to mind, Equilibrium, Mr Nobody, Eternal Sunshine, Children of Men, Logan's Run, Inception, Source Codelots of films from David Cronenberg like Videodrome, exiStenz, The Fountain, Fahrenheit 451, Clockwork Orange, Space Odyssey -- For aliens there are District 9, Star Wars, Star Trek, Pacific Rim.
Lots of stuff -- It all depends on the execution in the end.
That's why I said can, I know there are good ones and I've watched plenty of them. But the point of Mass Effect is that it's about aliens, cybernetics and a technologically advanced future. Working believable props for such a thing would be difficult given how realistic we like our special effects to be nowadays. CGI is a fuzzy thing, it can be terrible or turn out good but in the end you still know it's CGI. I just personally think that for a universe like Mass Effect animation would be a better alternative. If it was perhaps Dragon Age live-action could work well since the main special effects would be magic, dragons and Qunari. Mass Effect has so many it would be incredibly expensive to produce.
That's why I said can, I know there are good ones and I've watched plenty of them. But the point of Mass Effect is that it's about aliens, cybernetics and a technologically advanced future. Working believable props for such a thing would be difficult given how realistic we like our special effects to be nowadays. CGI is a fuzzy thing, it can be terrible or turn out good but in the end you still know it's CGI. I just personally think that for a universe like Mass Effect animation would be a better alternative. If it was perhaps Dragon Age live-action could work well since the main special effects would be magic, dragons and Qunari. Mass Effect has so many it would be incredibly expensive to produce.
Not gonna argue about Mass Effect because I honestly don't care about it. And if you think the CGI cannot be pulled off then I'd simply point towards flicks like Pacific Rim or any of Abrams recent Star Trek. I wasn't particularly impressed with Abrams stuff but the visual effects and cinematography was good enough for a sci-fi-epic. Place it in the hands of impressive cinematographers like Wally Pfister or Christophe Beaucarne, add in a good visual effect team with a solid director and wonders can be made.
The point is not - Can it be done. The point is that. Will someone want to make it happen? I don't think there's a interest or demand for sci-fi-epics based on video games. It also depends on willingness. That's the part where you may be right that Animation could potentially pull off.
Depends on the characters and the plot. I woudn't watch for the sake of it being ME alone.
And if you think the CGI cannot be pulled off then I'd simply point towards flicks like Pacific Rim or any of Abrams recent Star Trek.
I am not saying that. It can be done, but it is not always good and can be executed poorly. I watched Pacific Rim and really enjoyed it, but there is more chance of it not working or becoming obvious the more heavily it is relied upon in a film or a series. That's what I'm worried about.
I am not saying that. It can be done, but it is not always good and can be executed poorly. I watched Pacific Rim and really enjoyed it, but there is more chance of it not working or becoming obvious the more heavily it is relied upon in a film or a series. That's what I'm worried about.
Read both of my posts again -- I'm arguing the execution itself stands attest to quality. But that's not something that is exclusive to cinema. Ultimately, it's also about whether there's any larger interest to make it. The idea itself needs a solid pitching to even be accepted for production, then there are bunch of the other procedures it has to go through. Most video game adaptations never go beyond the production line before being canned. Speaking from experience here. This is partly due to loss of interest, like people leaving the project, or busy schedules with other film.
From the way I see it -- Animated Series can potentially be just as bad as that of live-action. if, we are talking about Mass Effect, then I'd argue the artstyle doesn't sit right with animation, at least not comics.
Right now, Duncan Jones is working on a flick based on WoW, so it's interesting to see if he can pull that off. He's a director I like, despite only having made 2 films so far. One to watch.
I'm not saying your worry is misplaced -- I am saying that it's a double edged sword and it counts for both animation or live-action alike. There are several factors that need to be fulfilled.
Execution itself is not the only thing that can attribute to the quality. Budget is a massive factor of CGI, the highest quality CGI is also the most expensive generally. If there is ever a series made which requires a lot of CGI then it won't matter how much interest is in it, if there is not enough money for it all the overall quality of the CGI will suffer. Animation can be significantly cheaper in such areas depending on the style used. Yes I agree that the people creating it need to be enthused with their work and the work itself needs to have the purpose to be released to the public but in things where there was interest and it was ultimately released the effects can be lacklustre because of budget or technological constraints no matter how enthusiastic the workers are. There is also the problem of losing interest because the ideas they have are simply not feasible and extremely hard to create.
lolno everything that is "as deep and engaging" as mass effect is ****, i hated the franchise with a passion, i have never been so bored while playing a game maybe except a few games so i'll pass, thank you.
Execution itself is not the only thing that can attribute to the quality. Budget is a massive factor of CGI, the highest quality CGI is also the most expensive generally. If there is ever a series made which requires a lot of CGI then it won't matter how much interest is in it, if there is not enough money for it all the overall quality of the CGI will suffer. Animation can be significantly cheaper in such areas depending on the style used. Yes I agree that the people creating it need to be enthused with their work and the work itself needs to have the purpose to be released to the public but in things where there was interest and it was ultimately released the effects can be lacklustre because of budget or technological constraints no matter how enthusiastic the workers are. There is also the problem of losing interest because the ideas they have are simply not feasible and extremely hard to create.
Pitching an idea -- That is to say "interests" will also inevitably decide the budget. If there is no interest and no production company will want to make your idea happen then there is no budget. Animation might be cheaper, I won't argue that point, but it doesn't mean there are higher chance of quality. In fact, you can actually do wonders with even a tiny budget. I'm gonna repeat myself. Execution is a large factor in all of it. What you basically said was what I just said earlier. Are you've read what I wrote or are we talking across each other now?
Also I'm not talking about 'enthusiasm' -- From my experience -- Most people in the biz has "enthusiasm" to do their earnest about a project. Before you say it -- Yes, there are film coming out feeling half-assed it's true. There'll always be blockbusters, commercialized junk. Anyway, I'm talking about whether there is interest enough to make it happen. You can argue whether or not you find that to be enthusiastic. I suppose it is in some way.
Pitching an idea -- That is to say "interests" will also inevitably decide the budget. If there is no interest and no production company will want to make your idea happen then there is no budget. Animation might be cheaper, I won't argue that point, but it doesn't mean there are higher chance of quality. In fact, you can actually do wonders with even a tiny budget. I'm gonna repeat myself. Execution is a large factor in all of it. What you basically said was what I just said earlier. Are you've read what I wrote or are we talking across each other now?
Now to be fair you've been doing the same to some of my posts. So it's fair to say we're just throwing the same things back and forth and should just quit.
New topic: what would you want to see then, animated or otherwise? You don't like ME, but would you like Dragon Age?
An animated movie about the Korean War is being made?
http://www.thechosinproject.com/
Do you think independent studios who make films like this are our only hope to break out of the animation age ghetto?
Now to be fair you've been doing the same to some of my posts. So it's fair to say we're just throwing the same things back and forth and should just quit.
New topic: what would you want to see then, animated or otherwise? You don't like ME, but would you like Dragon Age?
I read your posts entirely -- I've been answering accordingly. Parts of what you wrote in your earlier posts was stuff I pointed out in my previous one. Don't know what you're talking about here.
Anyway, no, I wouldn't want a Dragon Age animation. I walked into this thread expecting discussion for sci-fi animation and I pointed out a few examples of Japanese animated sci-fi shows.
I walked into this thread expecting discussion for sci-fi animation and I pointed out a few examples of Japanese animated sci-fi shows.
Too bad most people have a bias towards anime and don't know what they are missing out.
As a recommendation for some interested peeps here, Planetes is a cool hard sci-fi worth checking out if you want to watch the thrilling adventures of the space garbage disposal unit, who work hard to make commercial space flight safe! 
Whaddya mean would?
Starship Troopers Chronicles for all it's poor CGI animation, dodgy stories and firm PG rating comes closest to seriously showing war in space in animated form (for an American production) and that lasted one whole season.
The original Clone Wars (2003-2005) beat the midichorians out of the CG version but everyone seems to have forgotten it.
Ah, Star Wars: The Clone Wars surpasses the micro-series. If anyone hasn't watched it yet, I suggest you do so.
You mean the one done by the Samurai Jack team?The original Clone Wars (2003-2005) beat the midichorians out of the CG version but everyone seems to have forgotten it.
Get that God Ginrai garbage outta my face.
Japan got really carried away with Transformers post G1, and it was all stupid crap.
I liked Beast Wars II and Beast Wars Neo though. Not anywhere close as good as OG Beast Wars. But Leo Convoy is awesome.
Too bad most people have a bias towards anime and don't know what they are missing out.
As a recommendation for some interested peeps here, Planetes is a cool hard sci-fi worth checking out if you want to watch the thrilling adventures of the space garbage disposal unit, who work hard to make commercial space flight safe!
I don't particularly watch many anime. I'm a fan of good stoytelling and narrative production, it's what I study. I don't discriminate between any medium or genre, as long as it's good. I'd say that the reluctance for people to ignore the fact that anime is animation as much as that of Western animation is bit sad -- It shouldn't be coloured with the same brush due to some bad apples.
Anyway, I think there are quite a few good Western-animated cartoons that manages to adhere to the appeal of adolescents and younger audiences alike. There just aren't enough.
In short. Agree with your first line.
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