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[Alcobob]

Mr_Click_Click wrote...

did not read whole thread. hard to get away with pirate games on 360 since xbox can find them and block your xbox from being used shud do the same to PC gamers

No, MS isn't allowed to block the console from beeing used.
They can however disable all access to Live since the Console has been tampered with (cheats and stuff)
That is also the only reason why i haven't yet replaced the small 20gb harddrive with a 200gb i have arround.

Also, from what i heard, there are ways to circumvent the detection.
But dunno, never bothered with reading much into that topic.

[anon_04111]

GET OUT BIOWARE, I AM ******!

[ammit23]

Funny about MS not being able to kill console that's been tampered with. I wouldn't know as I don't have an xbox. But that's what Wii does via "updates".

[Alcobob]

Hammer6767 wrote...

The thing about piracy that these a**holes don't realize is that it affects everyone else. Why do games cost what they do? Well, pirating doesn't answer that entirely but if it didn't exist, we would probably be paying less for games. Developers wouldn't have to devote so much time to copy protection, CD keys, Securerom, activation, etc.

It's a viscous circle and the thieves don't care. Not to mention the fact that all the creative people who devoted years to the game development are getting the shaft when you don't buy the game. It may mean they won't be able to continue.

Well, ME2 has only a simple disc check. That doesn't cost much.
However, nowdays i think the companies don't lose a high percentage at all.
Before i formated my PC for Windows 7 i had put up a nice chart with the turnover of the games, music and movie industry in the US.
And what i found out was that, while yes the music industry is in decline, it seemed like the games industry was taking the lost share.
With everything combined, it was a steady increase in the spendings for entertainment. An increase above the natural inflation.

Also, if you really want to cut costs, look of Modern Warfare 2. They spend 50 million for developing the game, but something like 100 million for advertisement.

Now to the topic of the costs of DRM, on a pure speculative basis since i don't have any reliable data:
Games for the Consoles cost about 10 bucks more than their PC counterparts, sometimes even 20.
I wonder how much developers need to pay microsoft in order to release an XBox game. My guess would be that it's way more than developers have to pay for DRM like Securom.
But as i said, this is purely speculative.

[ironman001]

Yai-Kai i crying from reading your post:)

Now seriously Hunter6X or whatever your name is doing drugs is bad and after reading you post and topic i think that you should stop doing that to yourself:)

Mass Effect 2 RF X360 www PorTorrent com » games xbox360

2 days ago

13307 Mb

seeds 767

peers 12,321

That is official stat for X-box version on one site and i left it for you to jugde.

I have PC but i buying DD CE edition of ME 2 and think that all of you should:).

One last thing people there is an old saying "Make love not War" think about this.

6 day left only:)

[Thekratos]

HunterX6 wrote...

I was watching the new trailer of mass effect 2 (launch trailer) and there was a pirate guy telling people to download the game free and shi*  bioware puts their time and money in making such great games as mass effect 2 and these cheap bastard all they do is download the game for free, how in the hell is that suppose to help the economy? I might have understanded if they at that moment didnt had or could make any kind of money but no they seem to enjoy it and dont care, according to the way they were saying it, its like "fu-- bioware we are getting it free"

so my real question is WHY did they make this game for pc? they CERTINELY dont deserve it at all! look what they doing now, mass producing that game for free, this guy said there is already 1700 people downloading tha torrent file thats a lot of money if u multiply that by 50.

i understand and agree, i'm a big fan of bioware so i buy the stuff but i also download alot of other games well RPG games are my thing so everything else is DL for me.  However i do belive some of the people who DL get there punishment,  This punishment can be many things not just a bill and court  but ingame stuff...-.-

But if you download anything at all i don't think you should be complaining about it. Music,games, movies and such. keep it in mind that the true crime is to download.

Modifié par Thekratos, 23 janvier 2010 - 06:26 .

[JigPig]

Fact of the matter is, PC is the superior console in every way, shape, and form.
It does EVERYTHING better than the 360 with the exception of one thing. 360 seems to have more trolls.
and Yes, I own a 360 and a PS3.

Then again I shouldn't be taking this thread seriously because the OP is 12 and every post he makes is "dont have an ulcer"

[Annora]

BioWare doesn't want people discussing piracy on these forums, and giving links whether inadvertently or not (and it seemed like a ploy to plug a torrent) is a really, really bad idea.

[JigPig]

Anastassia wrote...

BioWare doesn't want people discussing piracy on these forums, and giving links whether inadvertently or not (and it seemed like a ploy to plug a torrent) is a really, really bad idea.

Oh it's ok the OP seems to think the 360 is uncrackable.

[rjeid]

Sharing is caring.

[rjeid]

oops, hit quote instead of editing my post.

Modifié par rjeid, 23 janvier 2010 - 06:31 .

[Alcobob]

Thekratos wrote...
i understand and agree, i'm a big fan of bioware so i by the stuff but i also download alot of other games well RPG games are my thing so everything else is DL for me.  However i do belive some of the people who DL get there punishment,  This punishment can be many things not just a bill and court  but ingame stuff...-.-

But if you download anything at all i don't think you should be complaining about it. Music,games, movies and such. keep it in mind that the true crime is to download.

Ingame consequences are actually one of the best things you can do.
One thing i know of is from Gothic 2, where you wouldn't be able to venture to another part of the world due to a massive boulder or something if you had a modified exe.

This has the nice touch that the people who crack the game lose time in the process, and the game gets pirated later. Or they release an unfinished crack which means that the people who download the game only get somekinda demo and an incentive to buy the game.

[Murmakun]

HunterX6 wrote...

I was watching the new trailer of mass effect 2 (launch trailer) and there was a pirate guy telling people to download the game free and shi*  bioware puts their time and money in making such great games as mass effect 2 and these cheap bastard all they do is download the game for free, how in the hell is that suppose to help the economy? I might have understanded if they at that moment didnt had or could make any kind of money but no they seem to enjoy it and dont care, according to the way they were saying it, its like "fu-- bioware we are getting it free"

so my real question is WHY did they make this game for pc? they CERTINELY dont deserve it at all! look what they doing now, mass producing that game for free, this guy said there is already 1700 people downloading tha torrent file thats a lot of money if u multiply that by 50.

Because really, pirating isn't as big as people say it is. 99% of piraters wouldn't buy the game in the first place. So it's not a lost sale.


That said however. I buy my games (am a bit of a game collector) and I don't think millions of pc gamers that DO buy there games should be punished for the small percentage of people that pirate the games. So don't say >I< don't deserve this game because of some other people's actions. (and yes I refuse to buy an xbox or ps. I loath console gaming.)

[AlanC9]

You defending piracy, rjeid? Then make a case.

[Ronisu]

The piracy did break on the 360 first.

Also, to try to insinuate that a powerful RPG developer should not take their game to the PC is laughable. PC gaming has always had piracy, infact it used to be more prevalent than it is today as it used to be easier with floppies.

Better yet, a lot of corporate research shows that the best sales incentive for games is to have no copy protection, as you normally gain more income than you lost through piracy. Even better, there are some instances of game companies including a system to make pirated copies legitimate for a small fee to recoup supposed losses. MassEffect already has it's security against piracy with the Cerberus Network, and I would estimate that you see a lot of those pirated copies were simply impatient fans that have or will buy the game for the features. The ones who don't, likely wouldn't have bought the game at all.

In the end, DON'T COPY THAT FLOPPY, ;D.

Modifié par Ronisu, 23 janvier 2010 - 06:43 .

[akintu]

I think the argument made mostly by the movie and music industry that every pirate is a lost consumer is blatantly false. Most pirates either don't have the money or are not inclined to spend the money on the product they pirate. That seems to indicate they are not lost consumers. A pirated game is not equal to a lost sale. I think there is an argument to be made that piracy is actually good for the industry as a whole. Bad games get pirated and tried out and deleted a day later, while good games get pirated and tried out and bought later.



I'm curious about the math figures in a "pay as much as you want" scheme, similar to what Radiohead did. Radiohead apparently did quite well on their album released in that method. What if ME2 were released for free, with a simple form to pay what you can/think its worth. Would that be viable? Many sales would probably be for $5 or something, but if you were peeling off $5 from people who would otherwise pirate the game, that would be increased revenue. And I know I would certainly still purchase a hard copy of the game, as I'm sure almost everyone here would. Would the increased low-cost sales balance out against the lost sales of full price editions? Just something I thought of.



Also, most people don't seem inclined to think about it, but game piracy touches on IP piracy in general. Most seem to think its only about the entertainment industry, but medicines and important technologies are also covered by IP law. A developing country that has great need for medicine to save lives can face serious sanctions if they "steal" a medicine and produce it themselves. And yet, their people are dieing without it, and they cannot afford to buy it. What is right and wrong in that scenario? Should an American pharmaceutical company be able to charge hundreds of percents markups on a medicine that costs pennies to produce to countries that are outrageously poor and truly need the medicine? There is a strong moral case against intellectual property in cases of life and death, in my opinion.



Games are luxury items, though, and don't really fall under that argument. Just wanted to say that the issue is more complex than "pirates are a**holes".

[ImperialSoldier]

HunterX6 wrote...

I was watching the new trailer of mass effect 2 (launch trailer) and there was a pirate guy telling people to download the game free and shi*  bioware puts their time and money in making such great games as mass effect 2 and these cheap bastard all they do is download the game for free, how in the hell is that suppose to help the economy? I might have understanded if they at that moment didnt had or could make any kind of money but no they seem to enjoy it and dont care, according to the way they were saying it, its like "fu-- bioware we are getting it free"

so my real question is WHY did they make this game for pc? they CERTINELY dont deserve it at all! look what they doing now, mass producing that game for free, this guy said there is already 1700 people downloading tha torrent file thats a lot of money if u multiply that by 50.

All the online pirated copies you see in youtube etc are all xbox versions. Your console fan boy attempt to belttle pc gamers is pure fail. Learn before speaking.

[KMies]

There are lots of studies that pirates buy more music than legit buyers. Pirates download the album then go and buy it if its good. I think same could go for games. These days we see so much utter bull on games that it should be criminal too (as pirating) to release such bull****!

Good games from good companies like bioware (even tho i hate how EA has impacted on their marketing etc.) will be bought by most of the pirates. Most pirates that ive seen on many gaming forums say that they have allready pre-ordered the game but simply cannot wait for it (god damn CE in europe!).

And what goes to "FFS PC PLAYERS ARE PIRATES".. .the first release to come pirated was the xbox 360 version.

I personally have pirated a few games like Divinity Eco Dragonis... the game was utter **** and on that basis i could make my decision not to buy it. I would be crying bloody tears if ive spent 50 euro on bull**** like that. And before you hang me i have about 100 original pc games, about the same in dvd and bout 10 blu-rays so... i buy everythign that is worth buying.

Also i would like to thank bioware for making such great games with real passion that is rare to the industry these days. Ive been your fan since i saw the first glimpse of baldur's gate and cant wait for Old republic! Keep the good stuff coming! 

PS: I too dont like pirates who really like the game but think that "hell i get it for free so why the hell spend my money on it".

[KMies]

Ahem! Also wanted to take note on the copy protection on the game. I really like that there is not a smilar copy protection like Mass Effect 1 (really ruined my weekend about ½ a year ago by saying all my licenses are spent!). Pirate groups would crack it no matter what they do so HC copy protection just annoys paying customers. Would be intresting to see the sale charts of mass effect 1 and mass effect 2 of the first week that does me2 not having a HC copy protection affect the sales much.

[Khayness]

6 pages and no Lazy Town pirate song links...

[Frotality]

UndercoverDoctor wrote...

ohupthis wrote...

Eventually, the non-buyers will have their day in prison, or hell.

What level of "hell" is for internet pirates?

well its theivery, but seeing as they also technically break the trust of bioware for putting ME2 on pc, its also betrayal. so they'll be forzen for eternity in the wonderful 9th and final level. HOORAY:happy::happy::happy::happy::happy:

man i cant wait for dante's inferno...

[Xena_Shepard]

The BS about the whole "limited installations" is that game companies fail to realize that at the first sign of some bug or screw up, what do people do? Uninstall and reinstall the game.



What do you do when you want to clean out your mods? Uninstall and reinstall the game.



What do you do when you get a new computer? Reinstall the game.



Y'know I don't like paying full price when I'm basically renting a game. Game companies (like the US government) think putting more and more penalties and limitations on something will fix the problem...

[Litos456]

HunterX6 wrote...
so my real question is WHY did they make this game for pc?

Because PC rules?

Also, dude, it's called piracy. There's just no way you can avoid it. Pirates are good at what they do, they leak games early and download them for free. Some pirates are nice, and they download it to try the game, and then buy it if they really like it.

Just don't worry man. Bioware will do good one way or another, piracy is just something you can't avoid.