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[rjeid]

Xena_Shepard wrote...

The FBI and American justice system disagree with you.

Ah yes, and their interest could never be swayed by the millions invested in them by media industry lobbyists, right? If you think its evil because the American government is right about everything, there's no hope for you. Sorry.

[Xena_Shepard]

rjeid wrote...

Xena_Shepard wrote...

Downloading games off the internet is NO different than grabbing it off the shelf in the store, anybody who thinks overwise is a god damn thief and will burn in the 9th layer of hell.

Sorry, but you're fundamentally wrong there.

1. Grabbing it off the shelf removes a physical copy from the store and thus prevents someone else from obtaining it. That copy can never sell, so that is a loss.

2. Downloading it removes nothing from the store. Physical copies remain untouched and they remain in place waiting to be bought. That copy can be bought, so is not a loss.

Also, by downloading the game for FREE you remove the desire to buy it, resulting in a loss of sale, resulting in loss of money, so in the end it IS stealing because you're stealing the desire that the company has CREATED to buy their game, meaning you've stolen their money.

The desire for things is the foundation of any economy.

[Wolverfrog]

360 games are pirated as well. Apparently, it's actually easier to do so, when you have your Xbox modded.

[Alcobob]

Rip504 wrote...
It is a loss,because now the person who dl it for free will not buy it,I think this counts as a loss.

No, not allways, there are people who download this game and buy it later or have allready bought it.

For instance, i allready own the DD version (steam),
now if i would download the game to be able to play early, would that count as piracy or a lost sale?

[AtreiyaN7]

Yeah, it's not like xbox games aren't pirated, oh-no. Get your head out the sand that you apparently have it buried in. Pirates are everywhere, so don't blame this all on PC users. I'm a PC user, and I don't pirate. In fact, I reported the retards on the forums who DID post instructions on pirating. I also don't start threads bashing the xbox community for having pirates either, btw. Frankly, I think people who start threads instigating trouble between both communities don't deserve the game at all. Or maybe people who can't spell "CERTAINLY" perhaps. *hint hint* Also, you might not want to forget that without the PC there would likely not have been a BioWare in its current form, and you might not be enjoying the Mass Effect trilogy at all.

[Xena_Shepard]

rjeid wrote...

Xena_Shepard wrote...

The FBI and American justice system disagree with you.

Ah yes, and their interest could never be swayed by the millions invested in them by media industry lobbyists, right? If you think its evil because the American government is right about everything, there's no hope for you. Sorry.

And you're trying to justify thievery, oh boy you're a real saint.

Enjoy your bubba.

[JohnPazur]

So Pirates Cracked the game and now have it up for DL. ::Shrugs:: Who cares. Half of those DL's are laced with Viruses, the other have are not. Want to roll the dice on that? I dont. Also eventually the law with catch up with them. TO Quote Shepard. "They are not getting away. We know who he is and what he looks like, and everyday my crew and the crew of every other alliance ship is out their looking for them. Eventually he will screw up and we will have them."



Also for the DLC and other things that come with it, which adds more to the game you need a legit copy.

[rjeid]

Xena_Shepard wrote...

Also, by downloading the game for FREE you remove the desire to buy it, resulting in a loss of sale, resulting in loss of money, so in the end it IS stealing because you're stealing the desire that the company has CREATED to buy their game, meaning you've stolen their money.

The desire for things is the foundation of any economy.

Sorry, but this time I've got a judge who supports my side: 1 download does not equal 1 lost sale

arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/01/judge-17000-illegal-downloads-dont-equal-17000-lost-sales.ars

[Jonny_Evil]

Xena_Shepard wrote...

The true solution to the problem:

Design a program into the game that'll fry the PC of any jerk that pirates the game, I'm sure there's some way to make a program that'll specifically target the pirating methods and trigger a sub-routine that'll fry the f***ers PC.

Considering the amount of false positives that DRM software can throw up, I suspect that this is a bloody stupid idea.

[Xena_Shepard]

This is why I say games shouldn't be available online, go out and buy the hardcopy, you're paying the same price for something you could easily lose through computer failure or any other number of technical problems.

[Xena_Shepard]

rjeid wrote...

Xena_Shepard wrote...

Also, by downloading the game for FREE you remove the desire to buy it, resulting in a loss of sale, resulting in loss of money, so in the end it IS stealing because you're stealing the desire that the company has CREATED to buy their game, meaning you've stolen their money.

The desire for things is the foundation of any economy.

Sorry, but this time I've got a judge who supports my side: 1 download does not equal 1 lost sale

arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/01/judge-17000-illegal-downloads-dont-equal-17000-lost-sales.ars

Yeah and there's judges out there who'll let rapists off the hook...

[rjeid]

Xena_Shepard wrote...

And you're trying to justify thievery, oh boy you're a real saint.

Enjoy your bubba.

I've already demonstrated that it isn't theft. No, I'm not a saint. No, I won't be going to prison. Enjoy your imaginary moral high ground.

[Xena_Shepard]

Well rjeid, keep on keeping on if you want, see what kind of cell you land in a few years down the road.

[Xena_Shepard]

rjeid wrote...

Xena_Shepard wrote...

And you're trying to justify thievery, oh boy you're a real saint.

Enjoy your bubba.

I've already demonstrated that it isn't theft. No, I'm not a saint. No, I won't be going to prison. Enjoy your imaginary moral high ground.

I guess you're delusional to reality, well whatever, since the people who actually matter know it's thievery.

I'd love to see your ridiculous argument in court. Hope I'm on the jury.

[rjeid]

Xena_Shepard wrote...

Yeah and there's judges out there who'll let rapists off the hook...

Brilliant. So its wrong because the FBI and American Justice System say it is (your words not mine), but when a member of the American Justice System supports my view of 1 download not being equal to 1 lost sale, he's considered equal to a judge who lets rapists walk free?

Sensational ignorance right there. I'm surprised you didn't invoke Godwin's Law and compare him to a **** officer. Thanks for playing.

[rjeid]

Xena_Shepard wrote...

I guess you're delusional to reality

I'm not the one with my head buried in the sand.  Take care, Xena.

Modifié par rjeid, 23 janvier 2010 - 07:27 .

[KMies]

Console and pirate wars! Always no sense... its like winning the retard olympics

[Xena_Shepard]

rjeid wrote...

Xena_Shepard wrote...

Yeah and there's judges out there who'll let rapists off the hook...

Brilliant. So its wrong because the FBI and American Justice System say it is (your words not mine), but when a member of the American Justice System supports my view of 1 download not being equal to 1 lost sale, he's considered equal to a judge who lets rapists walk free?

Sensational ignorance right there. I'm surprised you didn't invoke Godwin's Law and compare him to a **** officer. Thanks for playing.

Judges contradict each other ALL the time, what matters is whats on the books.

[Xena_Shepard]

rjeid wrote...

Xena_Shepard wrote...

I guess you're delusional to reality

I'm not the one with my head buried in the sand.  Take care, Xena.

I don't know why I'm bothering to argue with a god damn thief.

See you in hell.

[MrWakka]

UndercoverDoctor wrote...

ohupthis wrote...

Eventually, the non-buyers will have their day in prison, or hell.

What level of "hell" is for internet pirates?

The level where they are forced to play illegal copies of dantes inferno and are only allowed to stop when they beat it, except the crack is bugged so it deletes your saves and crashes at the final boss.

[rjeid]

Xena_Shepard wrote...

I don't know why I'm bothering to argue with a god damn thief.

See you in hell.

1. Because you don't know who the thieves are.
2. You don't know just how bull**** copyright is.
3. Hell doesn't exist.

[Ettecoud]

In short...pirating is bad

Pirates talk funny

Jesus would buy it



P.S Hurro Xena! Thought you left the forums in fear of spoilers!

[ManBearPig91]

rjeid wrote...

Xena_Shepard wrote...

And you're trying to justify thievery, oh boy you're a real saint.

Enjoy your bubba.

I've already demonstrated that it isn't theft. No, I'm not a saint. No, I won't be going to prison. Enjoy your imaginary moral high ground.

You can't escape, the army of bioware's holy justice is coming!!!!!!!! http://social.biowar...03/index/726103

[Darth_Shizz]

Xena_Shepard wrote...

Well rjeid, keep on keeping on if you want, see what kind of cell you land in a few years down the road.

In fairness, downloading a copy of a game you then purchase a copy of, is not all that much different to making a backup copy (legal). Fair enough, the order in which it's done may say something. But morally, I'm not entirely sure I see what you're trying to get at here 

[AlanC9]

Thanks, rjeid. I can actually agree with a lot of that. But I'm not sure about point 5

rjeid wrote...
5. "Intellectual Property" kills. Read the post above regarding medicine. Making money off something you didn't make is wrong, I agree with that. People who sell bootlegs are doing something wrong, I agree. Then again, so are CEOs when they make money off of music they don't write.

It isn't immoral for a CEO to make money off of the music if he's actually got something to do with its production and distribution. Record companies provide --or used to provide -- all kinds of support. Marketing, advances to tide you over while making the next recording, distribution, manufacturing...

Nowadays you can do away with a lot of that, and many bands do. But nobody was ever forced to join a label. Bands wanted the services of a label, and freely contracted for them.

"Intellectual property kills" is awfully lazy. Not having IP kills too.

You haven't proven as much as you think you have. Not all piracy is theft. But some is.