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[Vizkos]

Ah I love all the ignorant people in this thread. Just reading through it caused me to feel a variety of emotions. From laughing at stupidity, to outright rage that such stupid people could even survive in the world, to pity that these people are so stupid, to laughing, etc etc etc.



Bottom lines are this:

1) Digital Distribution is more reliable than physical copies for a few reasons. 1) You can easily redownload it, 2) Physical disks can be scratched and rendered unplayable. etc etc. Distributors like Steam have made great strides to make digital games accessible as well as helping to create a social network of gamers. Wha wha what about piracy then? I'm getting to that hold your horses.

2) Stop acting like piracy is only for the PC, because its not. In fact, there are probably alot more pirates on the 360 than the PC. The figures just seem very warped towards the PC, because people download the binaries and what not from their PC, and then burn it to a disk and play it on the console. "Well XBL bans those consoles" you might say. Well, then the 360 pirates would be in the same boat PC pirates are in then, just no additional content. So stop acting like an ignorant fool acting like this problem is only for the PC.

3) The legit sales far outweigh the pirate downloads. In fact, games are kept alive much longer on the PC because of such things as mods. If you want examples, look at Oblivion and Fallout 3. They are still alive and well on the PC generating sales and continuous players, while 360 players have long since moved on to their next fix.



tl;dr: Anyone in this thread bashing the PC with no grounds to back it up other than the piracy that is obviously apparent on the console as well, stfu and get back to school or somewhere where you can only annoy those around your general vicinity.

[akintu]

For the record, the Supreme Court just days ago literally sold out American Democracy to the highest bidder. Piracy may not be illegal for much longer. Chinese companies will be able to spend billions electioneering US elections, giving candidates that support policies they are in favor of massive advantages. China doesn't care so much for our concept of IP law. Just sayin'



(This is actually the least of our worries, defense contractors and Exxon and such are of much bigger threat to stable, healthy society, but the point stands)

[KMies]

Darth_Shizz: touche!

[Rip504]

Ettecoud wrote...

In short...pirating is bad
Pirates talk funny
Jesus would buy it

P.S Hurro Xena! Thought you left the forums in fear of spoilers!

Jesus would buy it

LOL who

[Ettecoud]

<---Still plays fallout and oblivion from time to time on my xbox

P.S oh jesus is my next door neighbour 

Modifié par Ettecoud, 23 janvier 2010 - 07:36 .

[Javablood]

KMies wrote...

Javablood arent you the PC hero. What's wrong with console playing? The games are almost the same the difference is just the controlling? Some people like more to play from sofa than sitting on office chair . I personally have all consoles of the current generation and enjoy playing games on all systems. PC is good for rpg:s and strategy games but id say playing action and driving games on console is a much better experience compared to pc.

Sorry Kmies, I didn't mean to knock consoles. Hunterx just got my blood up talking smack about making the game for console exclusively.
We should all be thankful for the freedom computers offer. The competition to consoles helps to keep prices down and if we didn't have that competiton then the consles would really have us over a barrel. I've had my PC for almost 4 years and the only upgrades I've had to do is upgrade my video card from the factory one, and add ram.
Console games are always more expensive and the consoles themselves are not nearly as versatile (but I admit they're definitely moving in that direction).
I'm glad we have both options, but the OP's solution to piracy was really rediculous, and I made a snap reply in the moment. Guess the troll won lol.

[JohnPazur]

rjeid wrote...

3. Hell doesn't exist.

Really? Well Pirate all you want then... see you in the 9th circle of hell my friend.

[akintu]

AlanC9 wrote...
"Intellectual property kills" is awfully lazy. Not having IP kills too.

When has a lack of IP protection killed?  I'm curious.

[Adamski_707]

Im going to say one thing.



I know some people who pirate games because there is no demo version then if they like it buy it anyway! Just shows not all people are jackasses.

[Ettecoud]

Just most =P

[KMies]

Java: Aye, i can sign what you say except that consoles are sold pretty cheap (about the price of a powerful pc graphics card) and the real money comes from games. Even tho consoles were firsthand the easier choice for gaming (games didnt need patching etc.) now consoles are going in pc footsteps. Movie services, patches for games, patches for the consoles etc. How much console gaming has changed since PS1 times? How much of it resembles the same things that pc haves?

[PCMcGee]

I wish you guys would just go DL it, you need something to do, and I'm tired of hearing you rant

[Alcobob]

Luzny wrote...

After you locate the Prothean (or Collector if you wish since they are
now Reaper controlled) base within a black hole in the center of the
galaxy where they have taken all the humans from the colonies (and your
crew after the attack on the second Normandy) and you use the Omega 4
Mass Relay to reach the base. And after you discover they were using
the captured humans to build a human Reaper and you destroy it and blow
up the base leaving Miranda and a team mate of your choice behind (the
one who you send to the ventilation system dies), you get the ending
with you escaping back to known space and you have this huge army of
hostile geth/reaper ships.

I hope you're trolling.
If not, please die.

[Tor_pedo]

I'm sorry, but most pirates won't get caught. The telecompanies would have to give out their IP adress. In many contries they won't do that unless you're a threat to national security - probably not even then. Piracy is "allowed" in many contries, you are allowed to download, but not to upload, but since noone is allowed to - or even wants to in regard for their customers -  give out your IP adress, you can do whatever the fcuk you want. A loophole.
Just look at the lawsuit against The Pirate Bay. Piracy is here to stay as more and more are supporting the ideals of "pirates". This is not necessarily a bad thing, and doesn't mean all pirates are cheating thieves who deserve to burn in hell for all eternity. Many use piracy and filesharing to promote themselves, and you can bet your hairy ass that the media industry wouldn't be as big without it.
- Not everyone lives in big, fancy cities with access to every single game or product made in modern time.
In the end it just comes down to each and everyones conscience.

[rjeid]

AlanC9 wrote...
Thanks, rjeid. I can actually agree with a lot of that. But I'm not sure about point 5

rjeid wrote...
5. "Intellectual Property" kills. Read the post above regarding medicine. Making money off something you didn't make is wrong, I agree with that. People who sell bootlegs are doing something wrong, I agree. Then again, so are CEOs when they make money off of music they don't write.

A response without sensationalist ignorance or personal attacks, I truly appreciate it AlanC9! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

It isn't immoral for a CEO to make money off of the music if he's actually got something to do with its production and distribution. Record companies provide --or used to provide -- all kinds of support. Marketing, advances to tide you over while making the next recording, distribution, manufacturing...

Nowadays you can do away with a lot of that, and many bands do. But nobody was ever forced to join a label. Bands wanted the services of a label, and freely contracted for them.

Except without filesharing, going independent isn't going to be very easy. The internet can market to way more people than traditional marketing avenues. The internet is making several facets of the "industry" irrelevant. Why pay someone to make posters in a store when you can go and put your stuff up on Myspace, Last.fm, Spotify, Youtube, Facebook, and have your own website. The brilliant part is that those are all free, so paying someone to do marketting is unnecessary. Except the media industry wants to bleed everything to death with "fees" and "royalties" so that they remain relevant.

"Intellectual property kills" is awfully lazy. Not having IP kills too.

No no, IP actually can result in death, when companies are more concerned about profits than people dying. I recommend reading/skimming the .pdf found at this link:
www.theinnovationpartnership.org/en/ieg/report/

One example the paper makes on this topic is the lawsuits 39 pharmaceutical companies brought against the South Africa government, for trying to act effectively to deal with the HIV/AIDS crisis there. Link to some info. (The case was dropped in 2001 due to "extremely high amount of international pressure".)

You haven't proven as much as you think you have. Not all piracy is theft. But some is.

I know. I agree, some of it is. I disagree that filesharing falls under that category though.

I'm fine with people disagreeing with my views on copyright, IP, and filesharing. But when people (not you, AlanC9) blindly tout laws and nonsense without taking the time to think critically about them, it just frustrates me. Girl Scouts get threatened, media lobbyists pay who-knows-how-much so the government is funded by them, but we the people have no lobbyists and so we get screwed.

p.s. Sorry for taking so long, I spent a bunch of time looking for links to other examples I've read but can't remember where I read.

Modifié par rjeid, 23 janvier 2010 - 08:20 .

[Darth_Shizz]

AlanC9 wrote...


You haven't proven as much as you think you have. Not all piracy is theft. But some is.

Aye. Though there are always shades of grey, some people can't see in anything but black and white. Having said that, it's far easier to label everyone every pirate as "Bad Pirate" than try to wade through the muck to see which of them may be justified...especially given the anonymity of the internet.

Rjeid definitely raises some very good points on the issue though. 

[Mooner911]

99% of all laws protect companies and corporations from people. Did you know that if you "Whistle While You Work"™ loud enough for your co-worker to hear, you could be fined $25,000 USD min. and sent to prison for 2 years min?

According to the fine print, we're all criminals. There just ain't enough cops or prisons to put us all in. But DHS is a great start...

[Yai-Kai]

Unknown_Teddy wrote...
Most of what you said is true but if you spent that much on your comp you should easily be able to run a console emulater but im not sure where you would find one 

Not for PS3/X360. Did PSX, PS2 and GBA emulating, never bothered with the rest for the simple reason I didn't care.
Too many good PC games out there.

As for the OP, your private message made me lol and shows your weakness, not mine

[Link9us]

I torrented it, was 4.7 gigs, im playing it now. It is OMFG so awesome! (lol)

[khawaja07]

so i think that this thread is about to go in..













Lockdown !!!!!!!!!!

[JigPig]

How mature OP, send me a PM calling me all kind of names I've never even heard and blocking me before I can respond.
Awww :3 those 360 fanboys

Modifié par JigPig, 24 janvier 2010 - 07:19 .

[Link9us]

This thread needs to go on lockdown, its ridiculous, me thinks he is just sucking up to bioware for some popularity points. He is so easy to read, its not even funny!