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[cap and gown]

Just met with Dr. Bryson and some plot problems with the Leviathan story line I hadn't noticed before jumped out at me.

 

First, the Leviathan of Dis is a billion years old according the blurb you read when you enter the planet's orbit where it is located. Now, if it is a billion years old, what makes Bryson, or anyone else, think that the Leviathan is still around a billion years later? Seriously, a BILLION YEARS and you think that whatever killed that Reaper is still around? Why? I could understand thinking a Reaper corpse a few million years old might be of interest, but a BILLION? (They do, apparently try to retcon it a bit by having the Batarian voice recording you hear say the corpse is a few million years. But the rest of the info we have on that corpse says it is a billion years old.)

 

Second, we have already found a Reaper corpse that is 37 million years old and no one thinks that there was a Leviathan behind that one. Instead, the explanation for that dead Reaper is that it was killed by a mass accelerator weapon. Wouldn't finding that weapon be of more interest than trying to find some creature that may have existed a billion years ago? And, in fact, Cerberus did find that weapon. Wouldn't that weapon be more useful to study that trying to find some critter that may have died out a billion years in the past?

 

I can imagine President Roosevelt being told in the middle of WW II that scientists had uncovered evidence that a creature had once existed that was able to kill a T. Rex and asking to divert resources away from the Manhattan Project to find it so they could use it against Japan and Germany.

[andy6915]

They thought the Reaper killer might still be alive because Reapers themselves are immortal to age themselves. It stands to reason that one could assume a Reaper killer might be as long lived as they are. And also, Bryson thought the Leviathan was in fact a Reaper defector. That would mean it very much could still be alive. And then factor that there was tangible evidence that it was still around and active, and there's no plot hole at all about it.

 

The mass accelerator that killed the IFF Reaper was busted. It could have been repairable... Or it could have been well beyond repair without the knowledge of how to build something like it ourselves anyway. If the latter is true, it doesn't matter because if we could repair it we could build it ourselves and thus wouldn't need to repair it anyway. Furthermore, Cerberus is the one who found it. You think Cerberus is going to tell anyone about it or its location?

[Obadiah]

I've always been curious as to what that mass accelerator weapon was that killed the derelict Reaper. You have to figure though that building and using it was simply not practical given that it only destroyed 1 Reaper.

Why did the Reapers leave their buddy's corpse behind?

How the hell did TIM find that Reaper anyway? I mean, the shot we know of that made the gash on the planet missed, and its not as if the possible target area it left us with was a small area to search. The system moves through the galaxy, and the planet rotates, and the gash probably changed the planet's rotation, so the shot could have pretty much come from and gone in ANY direction. TIM would have needed an exact date of the gash to plot a possible source and destination. Is that even possible?

[Reorte]

I've always been curious as to what that mass accelerator weapon was that killed the derelict Reaper. You have to figure though that building and using it was simply not practical given that it only destroyed 1 Reaper.

Why did the Reapers leave their buddy's corpse behind?

Perhaps they didn't find it. The galaxy is a big place. Maybe even the Reapers have a few of their number listed as "Missing, presumed dead."
 

How the hell did TIM find that Reaper anyway? I mean, the shot we know of that made the gash on the planet missed, and its not as if the possible target area it left us with was a small area to search. The system moves through the galaxy, and the planet rotates, and the gash probably changed the planet's rotation, so the shot could have pretty much come from and gone in ANY direction. TIM would have needed an exact date of the gash to plot a possible source and destination. Is that even possible?

Wouldn't have thought exactly was possible, but perhaps even getting it to a few thousand years then crunching all the possibilities would eventually only leave you with one worth looking at (if all the others gave you origins in deep space - it could've possibly been a ship but there would be no chance of finding that so go with the one possibility).

Going back to the OP, once Sovereign showed up it wouldn't be unreasonable to have small teams following up on every possible lead for things that have hurt Reapers. A very long shot perhaps but a few small groups wouldn't be too much of a waste of resources and the potential reward would be worth that risk.

[cap and gown]

How the hell did TIM find that Reaper anyway? I mean, the shot we know of that made the gash on the planet missed, and its not as if the possible target area it left us with was a small area to search. The system moves through the galaxy, and the planet rotates, and the gash probably changed the planet's rotation, so the shot could have pretty much come from and gone in ANY direction. TIM would have needed an exact date of the gash to plot a possible source and destination. Is that even possible?

 

I've had the same problem, but I am willing to suspend disbelief in this case.

[KaiserShep]

I've always been curious as to what that mass accelerator weapon was that killed the derelict Reaper. You have to figure though that building and using it was simply not practical given that it only destroyed 1 Reaper.

Why did the Reapers leave their buddy's corpse behind?

How the hell did TIM find that Reaper anyway? I mean, the shot we know of that made the gash on the planet missed, and its not as if the possible target area it left us with was a small area to search. The system moves through the galaxy, and the planet rotates, and the gash probably changed the planet's rotation, so the shot could have pretty much come from and gone in ANY direction. TIM would have needed an exact date of the gash to plot a possible source and destination. Is that even possible?

 

 

You are ruining the effect!

[SporkFu]

Just met with Dr. Bryson and some plot problems with the Leviathan story line I hadn't noticed before jumped out at me.

 

First, the Leviathan of Dis is a billion years old according the blurb you read when you enter the planet's orbit where it is located. Now, if it is a billion years old, what makes Bryson, or anyone else, think that the Leviathan is still around a billion years later? Seriously, a BILLION YEARS and you think that whatever killed that Reaper is still around? Why? I could understand thinking a Reaper corpse a few million years old might be of interest, but a BILLION? (They do, apparently try to retcon it a bit by having the Batarian voice recording you hear say the corpse is a few million years. But the rest of the info we have on that corpse says it is a billion years old.)

 

Second, we have already found a Reaper corpse that is 37 million years old and no one thinks that there was a Leviathan behind that one. Instead, the explanation for that dead Reaper is that it was killed by a mass accelerator weapon. Wouldn't finding that weapon be of more interest than trying to find some creature that may have existed a billion years ago? And, in fact, Cerberus did find that weapon. Wouldn't that weapon be more useful to study that trying to find some critter that may have died out a billion years in the past?

 

I can imagine President Roosevelt being told in the middle of WW II that scientists had uncovered evidence that a creature had once existed that was able to kill a T. Rex and asking to divert resources away from the Manhattan Project to find it so they could use it against Japan and Germany.

Except that the T.Rex's have come back and are intent on wiping everyone out. 

 

Bryson starts as a crazy old guy, tucked away in some corner of the citadel, chasing a crazy theory about the Leviathan of Dis. He uncovers just enough to keep funded. Then the reapers hit the galaxy like a sledgehammer. Bryson calls up Hackett and convinces him the reapers have begun sniffing around his project. The evidence Bryson has is compelling enough for Hackett to send shep and crew to check it out. 

 

I can forgive Hackett for grasping at straws a little bit, given what he and the galaxy are faced with.