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[Eveangaline]

The real question... will Morrigan and the Warden's/Alistair's child be an heir to... anything?

 

I'm going to make the bet that it's a mage, so legally, no, he would have no claim to any title under the current system.

[GVulture]

And Morrigan says something about not letting it mess up succession if you follow certain dialogue trees. I think. I could swear I got that once.

[Former_Fiend]

She claims that she has no designs on Ferelden's throne, though the implication is that whatever her goals are, they're much bigger.

[Han Shot First]

The real question... will Morrigan and the Warden's/Alistair's child be an heir to... anything?

 

Probably not.

 

Alistair was only able to claim the throne (potentially) because might made right. Short of seizing a crown by force, bastards can't become kings or queens unless they are officially legitimized by their royal parents. The same is also true for the bastard children of nobles. They don't inherit unless legitimized. In fact the bastard child of a commoner and a noble (or royal) would remain a commoner unless raised in the noble or royal household and legitimized.

 

Unless legitimized by a noble or royal parents, Morrigan's child with either a Warden Cousland, Alistair, or Loghain would be a nobody politically, and officially a commoner. In a scenario where the child is never legitimized by his father, the god baby would probably need some other means of rising to power and seizing a throne (or control of house Cousland) as they wouldn't be in the line of succession and wouldn't inherit.

 

That is of course assuming that the rules of inheritance in Thedas resemble that of medieval Europe.

[Former_Fiend]

Though technically speaking the Ferelden Monarchy is elected. I'm sure there are rules about who they can and cannot elect which factors in things like legitimacy and what not, but if the Alistair or the Warden died otherwise childless, the OGB could make a claim, though Fergus would have a better one legally.

 

Still, I think the throne of Ferelden is small potatos compared to whatever Morrigan has planned for that kid. 

[Falcon084]

I hope the boon is taken into account. It was a very important decision for the warden and was supposed to change the face of Fereldan. It might be more than a passing thing elsewhere, but when we are in Fereldan it must have made a mark to change the place.

[Eveangaline]

Though technically speaking the Ferelden Monarchy is elected. I'm sure there are rules about who they can and cannot elect which factors in things like legitimacy and what not, but if the Alistair or the Warden died otherwise childless, the OGB could make a claim, though Fergus would have a better one legally.

 

Still, I think the throne of Ferelden is small potatos compared to whatever Morrigan has planned for that kid. 

 

The OGB can only make a claim if they're recognized, which they probably aren't since I doubt alistair even told anyone about this (and even if he did that kid can't prove he's Alistairs. He wouldn't have the backup of a trusted noble to vouch for his paternity).

 

Also, the child is probably a mage which would mean he has no claim to any nobility whatsoever.

[Falcon084]

The OGB can only make a claim if they're recognized, which they probably aren't since I doubt alistair even told anyone about this (and even if he did that kid can't prove he's Alistairs. He wouldn't have the backup of a trusted noble to vouch for his paternity).

 

Also, the child is probably a mage which would mean he has no claim to any nobility whatsoever.

His claim might be that of a god. Besides the Mages could win the rebellion you know.

[Former_Fiend]

The OGB can only make a claim if they're recognized, which they probably aren't since I doubt alistair even told anyone about this (and even if he did that kid can't prove he's Alistairs. He wouldn't have the backup of a trusted noble to vouch for his paternity).

 

Also, the child is probably a mage which would mean he has no claim to any nobility whatsoever.

 

I suspect laws regarding mages and inheritance and titles are going to be in a serious state of flux in the coming years. Ferelden is the hotbed of change on that front; while freeing the circle didn't work out, a mage warden can act as the Arl of Amaranthine without issue, and as far as we know, Teryn of Gwaren position is one of the few boons that works out, which can be given to a mage warden, personally, where as the Amaranthine situation technically had the loophole of belonging to the Grey Wardens as a whole(and legally speaking, Wardens can't hold titles, either, but that changed). 

 

There is also a might makes right scenario; I don't know how powerful the Old God Child will be when he grows up. Might be on par with the standard Dragon Age protagonist(which is to say, pretty damn powerful), might be, well, god-like, as some on these forums theorize. Might be nothing at all. But if it's either of the former two, well, laws bend in the way of pragmatism. 

 

Of course, I don't think it'll be a thing since I don't think Ferelden holds any interest for Morrigan or the kid. But who knows.

[Eveangaline]

I suspect laws regarding mages and inheritance and titles are going to be in a serious state of flux in the coming years. Ferelden is the hotbed of change on that front; while freeing the circle didn't work out, a mage warden can act as the Arl of Amaranthine without issue, and as far as we know, Teryn of Gwaren position is one of the few boons that works out, which can be given to a mage warden, personally, where as the Amaranthine situation technically had the loophole of belonging to the Grey Wardens as a whole(and legally speaking, Wardens can't hold titles, either, but that changed). 

 

There is also a might makes right scenario; I don't know how powerful the Old God Child will be when he grows up. Might be on par with the standard Dragon Age protagonist(which is to say, pretty damn powerful), might be, well, god-like, as some on these forums theorize. Might be nothing at all. But if it's either of the former two, well, laws bend in the way of pragmatism. 

 

Of course, I don't think it'll be a thing since I don't think Ferelden holds any interest for Morrigan or the kid. But who knows.

 

If we're going might makes right then he has just as much claim to any throne he wants (provided he's as powerful as we choose to imagine)

[The Qun & the Damned]

Well, they pretty much are the Lannister's of Ferelden. Except no incest. They are too cool for that.

All of the likabilty of Tyrion, none of the nastiness of Tywin and Cersei(I hate those assholes)