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Hearing him discuss his disease in huerta memorial hospital suddenly sparked an idea about something that would have greatly boosted Thane's ability to survive and perform physical activity.  He said the problem was with the Drell equivalent of hemoglobin (bit of a retcon from previously saying the issue was with his lungs in ME2 but we'll roll with it), and its ability to transport oxygen. So his blood can't transport enough oxygen and he essentially suffers from hypoxia until it becomes fatal.

 

Obviously he's never heard of Lance Armstrong.

 

All he needed to do was start blood doping, increasing the number of oxygen bearing cells in his system to account for lower levels of oxygen. Obviously not a permanent solution, but very, very easy and effective. 

 

 

*EDIT: Also, from the conversation between the Alliance Marine who lost his leg and doctor at the back of the hospital, cloning organs and limbs is no trouble at all in the Mass effect Universe. All they would have to do is replicate Thane's blood cells (incredibly easy to do) or his lungs. He'd have been completely okay



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Hearing him discuss his disease in huerta memorial hospital suddenly sparked an idea about something that would have greatly boosted Thane's ability to survive and perform physical activity.  He said the problem was with the Drell equivalent of hemoglobin (bit of a retcon from previously saying the issue was with his lungs in ME2 but we'll roll with it), and its ability to transport oxygen. So his blood can't transport enough oxygen and he essentially suffers from hypoxia until it becomes fatal.

 

Obviously he's never heard of Lance Armstrong.

 

All he needed to do was start blood doping, increasing the number of oxygen bearing cells in his system to account for lower levels of oxygen. Obviously not a permanent solution, but very, very easy and effective. 

 

 

*EDIT: Also, from the conversation between the Alliance Marine who lost his leg and doctor at the back of the hospital, cloning organs and limbs is no trouble at all in the Mass effect Universe. All they would have to do is replicate Thane's blood cells (incredibly easy to do) or his lungs. He'd have been completely okay

 

They couldn't do this because of the feels, and reasons. And the need to screw femShep out of yet another hetero LI for ME3.



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If only Kolyat could be killed in ME2. Thane would've had a bin of spare parts.
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Actually if I recall correctly what it really comes down to is treatment existed for Thane to overcome his disease (it was mentioned in Dr. Chakwas' notes that you could read in LotSB).  However, Thane refused the treatments.



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Yes, I remember. Mac wanted feelz and stuff. FemShep had no hetero LIs if Kaiden bought it in ME1 because of the stupid writing. Jacob cheats. Thane dies. Does Miranda cheat? No. Does Jack die? No. 



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They couldn't do this because of the feels, and reasons. And the need to screw femShep out of yet another hetero LI for ME3.

 

No, because the writers just didn't remember Thane was a love interest!


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Hearing him discuss his disease in huerta memorial hospital suddenly sparked an idea about something that would have greatly boosted Thane's ability to survive and perform physical activity. He said the problem was with the Drell equivalent of hemoglobin (bit of a retcon from previously saying the issue was with his lungs in ME2 but we'll roll with it), and its ability to transport oxygen. So his blood can't transport enough oxygen and he essentially suffers from hypoxia until it becomes fatal.

Obviously he's never heard of Lance Armstrong.

All he needed to do was start blood doping, increasing the number of oxygen bearing cells in his system to account for lower levels of oxygen. Obviously not a permanent solution, but very, very easy and effective.


*EDIT: Also, from the conversation between the Alliance Marine who lost his leg and doctor at the back of the hospital, cloning organs and limbs is no trouble at all in the Mass effect Universe. All they would have to do is replicate Thane's blood cells (incredibly easy to do) or his lungs. He'd have been completely okay

Rather than a retcon (although it probably is), here is how I interpreted the pathophysiology of Kepral Syndrome by applying my knowledge of biology/medicine to a fictitious disease.

The writers said they initially based it off of Cystic Fibrosis, and Thane describes a similar pathophysiology in ME2. In ME3, he only very briefly discusses the terminal stage of the disease, in which he describes something more akin to Sickle Cell Anemia.

I always imagined the disease worked as follows:

Drell, having evolved in an arid climate, do not have the anatomical or physiological capacity to clear excessive moisture from their airways. This causes an accumulation of fluid, and secondary colonization by bacteria. This results in a persistent pneumonia, which - as Thane describes - is treated by antibiotics. Over time, the infection becomes resistant to antibiotics - also per Thane's description. The chronic inflammation in the lungs leads to secondary changes of the parenchyma - such as fibrosis - making it harder for the lungs to expand and harder for oxygen to enter the blood as the barrier to diffusion is now greater. Furthermore, as chronic/opportunistic infection continues, it sets him up for systemic infection - which would be a potentially terminal condition.

All that makes perfect sense, and is almost verbatim how Thane describes the disease in ME2. It is plucked straight from real life medical science.

Now, in ME3 he describes "malfolding of oxygen carrier proteins". If that does indeed occur, it would present an even further barrier to oxygen transport. In humans (actually all mammals), the hormone erythropoietin is produced in the kidney in response to low oxygen tension of the blood, and this hormone amps up the bone marrows production of red blood cells - which are packed full of hemoglobin to carry oxygen while mature. Hemoglobin, of course, is encoded by several genes, and the folding of the protein is carried out automatically and independently of erythropoietin. Thus exists a negative feedback loop for erythropoietin, via increased RBC production and increases O2 carrying capacity.

But, there is no need to suppose an alien species would form their equivalent of RBCs the same way. Simply observe the diversity of which various species across Earth produce oxygen carrying cells/proteins. The mammalian way I described above is not the only way to do it.

So here is my headcanon to round this out and make sense of a likely writing oversight :P: Suppose that in Drell, an analogous hormone to erythropoeitin is actually produced by the lung which decreases in production with advanced Kepral Syndrome. Now, suppose that rather than their equivalent of RBC's being dependent upon this hormone for production, what the hormone actually does is regulate post-translational folding of their "hemoglobin" molecule- such that malfolded protein results in decreased oxygen carrying capacity, and properly folded results in increased. This would fine tune the blood to carry oxygen as needed.

But yes, my head canon aside - I agree with you. There is no reason that Thane could not be cured with the technology present in Mass Effect. And, indeed, they actually offered him a lung transplant (I assume via cloning) and he declined it. It isn't that he is fated to die - he is simply emo and WANTS to. You can read about this refusal in the Shadow Broker dossiers.
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Yes, I remember. Mac wanted feelz and stuff. FemShep had no hetero LIs if Kaiden bought it in ME1 because of the stupid writing. Jacob cheats. Thane dies. Does Miranda cheat? No. Does Jack die? No. 

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and,err, this one just because....

 

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Garrus was probably the one hetero L.I. that had an enjoyable and satisfying romance.
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It's mainly because they had to make the third game all dramatic. ME1 was all about setting up the threats and stuff, ME2 was all epic action and ragtag bunch of misfits moments, and ME3 was all the horrors of war and hospital dramas.

 

I mean, that seems a bit off for a fancy scifi epic, but maybe that's just me. Game play speaking, they should have given you the option to convince him to take new lungs and help with the war effort, and/or join your squad. Actually, someone mentioned Jack; they shoulda let you convince ALL your old squadmates to come back, and just have you pick who you want to die later on. Maintain the drama and the sadness without the stupidity. 

 

But I digress.

 

Maybe Drell have some sort of biological quantum detector so that their body requires proteins that cannot be realistically manufactured. That means you need actual donors, so it would make sense for Thane to not want to take away lungs from someone else who might live longer than him. Of course, that completely ignores the fact that most likely EVERYONE is going to die in the next few years, but that's beside the point. It also ignores the fact that there's a flipping WAR on, so spare organs are probably not exactly on the short list.

 

Yeah, on second thought, you're right; Thane dies because it would be sad if he died. What more reason do you need than that? I mean, it's not like games need actual plot or multidimensional characters or anything...



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Garrus was probably the one hetero L.I. that had an enjoyable and satisfying romance.

For femshep? yeah. For maleshep I liked Tali's and Miranda's. Liked Jack's a lot better with Citadel DLC content. 


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Using blood doping wouldn't help one bit. Keplar syndrome affects the ability to transport oxygen, not the amount of red blood cells. So even if he upped up his red blood cell levels, nothing would change. There's just be more ogyxen transporters that barely work/don't work at all.

 

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Using blood doping wouldn't help one bit. Keplar syndrome affects the ability to transport oxygen, not the amount of red blood cells. So even if he upped up his red blood cell levels, nothing would change. There's just be more ogyxen transporters that barely work/don't work at all.
 
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Blood doping would be useless, yes - but a lung transplant wouldn't. That would be curative, actually. But, Thane claims that his disease had "gone systemic". I take this to mean that the secondary bacterial infections in his lungs have systemically spread and set up granulomatous nodules (or the Drell equivalent) in other organs, given the insidious nature of his disease. So, at that point even a lung transplant would be pointless - Thane was a dead Drell walking.

However, when he was first offered the transplant and he declined, his disease was presumably not that advanced-otherwise he wouldn't have been offered the transplant. Which means Thane is just emo. He chose to die, and then acts like he was fated to - like it was out of his hands. Much like all his assassinations, actually.

Thane is full of ****, I think.
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Blood doping would be useless, yes - but a lung transplant wouldn't. That would be curative, actually. But, Thane claims that his disease had "gone systemic". I take this to mean that the secondary bacterial infections in his lungs have systemically spread and set up granulomatous nodules (or the Drell equivalent) in other organs, given the insidious nature of his disease. So, at that point even a lung transplant would be pointless - Thane was a dead Drell walking.

However, when he was first offered the transplant and he declined, his disease was presumably not that advanced-otherwise he wouldn't have been offered the transplant. Which means Thane is just emo. He chose to die, and then acts like he was fated to - like it was out of his hands. Much like all his assassinations, actually.

Thane is full of ****, I think.

 

I liked your post for the emo comment. The comment about the lungs is ridiculous though if Keplar Sydrome affects red blood cells :P these cells aren't prdocued in the lungs.

 

But I guess that has to do with the ME2/ME3 differnce in the disease.



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You guys at long health problems haven't been retonned or changed before. Remember in ME1 where Tali said their immune systems being weak was why they wore suits "outside the flotilla"? That meant 2 things, that they simply had super weak immune systems and just got sick easily because of that, and that the insinuation there is that they didn't wear sealed suits onboard their own ships. Come ME2 and suddenly they have to wear suits even on their own private ships and in front of family, and the real problem with their immune systems is that it's too strong to the point of going super overboard fighting infection to the point of giving severe fevers over the slightest speck of anything. So they went from "we just needs suits outside our ships" to "we need them 24/7 regardless of where we are", and from "our immune systems are super weak and can't fight anything" to "our immune system is over sensitive and goes DEFCON4 nuclear overkill on pretty much anything foreign which of course gives us all the bad symptoms of sickness if we so much as smell a flower without a filter".

 

So yeah, it isn't the first time.



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Lmao, that's not too strong. That's just a broken immune system.

 

Or are you really going to argue that someone with hay fever has an immune system that's too strong?



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Lmao, that's not too strong. That's just a broken immune system.

 

Or are you really going to argue that someone with hay fever has an immune system that's too strong?

When it's that their body treats the slightest thing as worthy of a full-on attack... It went from not being strong enough like a Salarian trying to wrestle Grunt to so strong it acts like a Krogan in blood rage.



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When it's that their body treats the slightest thing as worthy of a full-on attack... It went from not being strong enough like a Salarian trying to wrestle Grunt to so strong it acts like a Krogan in blood rage.

 

No, that's what we call an allergy. Being allergic to everything means you have a really weak immune system.



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No, that's what we call an allergy. Being allergic to everything means you have a really weak immune system.

No, it means yours is so strong that it wears itself out trying to kill everything and gets you sick and possibly killed because it's going so AWOL about fighting non-threats. Quarians in ME1 have HIV, Quarians afterward have something else.



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No, it means yours is so strong that it wears itself out trying to kill everything and gets you sick and possibly killed because it's going so AWOL about fighting non-threats. Quarians in ME1 have HIV, Quarians afterward have something else.

 

Thank you for explaining an overdriven immune system is exactly the same as a extreme allergic reaction.

 

Have a good day.

 

You can argue that it's too strong all you want, but that's not how it should work. If it works too hard, all the time in response to everything, it's broken and ultimately makes your immune system weak. Your immune system is there to save you, not kill you.



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FemShep had no hetero LIs if Kaiden bought it in ME1 because of the stupid writing. Jacob cheats. Thane dies. Does Miranda cheat? No. Does Jack die? No. 

 

Yeah, FemShep definitely gets the short end of the stick in terms of options. It would've been interesting to see how people would have reacted if Miranda was written to basically end up with someone else similarly to Jacob. I can almost taste the outrage that would rise up lol. As for Jack dying, I recall reading somewhere in ME2 that her health was deteriorating or something as a result of the experimentation on Pragia, but I can't remember exactly what it says. I just know that it's about some sort of neurological deterioration. Imagine if they ran with that in ME3 and made her worsen over time.


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Thank you for explaining an overdriven immune system is exactly the same as a extreme allergic reaction.

 

Have a good day.

 

You can argue that it's too strong all you want, but that's not how it should work. If it works too hard, all the time in response to everything, it's broken and ultimately makes your immune system weak. Your immune system is there to save you, not kill you.

Of course their immune system is messed up, just like Thane's lungs were messed up. But in both cases, the explanation for why changed between games.



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 As for Jack dying, I recall reading somewhere in ME2 that her health was deteriorating or something as a result of the experimentation on Pragia, but I can't remember exactly what it says. I just know that it's about some sort of neurological deterioration. Imagine if they ran with that in ME3 and made her worsen over time.

 

I quite like the idea of Jack living on borrowed time, and gradually losing her brain functions. Would have been quite interesting.



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Actually if I recall correctly what it really comes down to is treatment existed for Thane to overcome his disease (it was mentioned in Dr. Chakwas' notes that you could read in LotSB).  However, Thane refused the treatments.


They belive it would have to come from the Hanar. They don't belive than anyoen else can cure them if the Hanar Illuminates greatest minds can't. Lore said that human medical science was very advanced since it had been allowed to experiment and develop without Council laws to limit progress. Until they meet the Turians and the Council.
Medigel for example was a human innovation, it would have been illegal but it was so useful that the Citadel didn't even try to ban it.
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And here I thought this was a forum about the World Cup...