On Sur'Kesh, Major Kirrahe seemed different than his depiction in ME1. Uncharacteristically cheerful, and suddenly pro-cure(!) after extolling the dangers of the cure Saren developed in the first game. This seemed to be a trend in this arc - everyone who needed an import to survive (Kirrahe, Wrex, Eve) was pro-cure, everyone who didn't (sans Padok Wiks) opposed it. By contrast, if Kirrahe was dead or you did not import, you got the grumpy, standoffish, anti-cure Lieutenant Tolan who does not bow at the altar of The Shepard and unceremoniously dies minutes later.
Did anyone else find Kirrahe out-of-character?
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Posté 15 juin 2014 - 02:31
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I do not remember my save with Kirrahe alive very well, since there's only one and I only played it once, but I just about immediately noticed how neutral he was on the hot-button issue. It seemed obvious to me that they were avoiding "controversy" with a fan-favorite character.
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Posté 15 juin 2014 - 02:34
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Meh, I didn't necessarily get that impression. He just said that he had his orders, and that the females were now Shepard's problem. It sounded like he was just happy to see Shepard, and was just rather...indifferent to the idea of curing the Genophage.
Still, I won't argue that it's strange that he went from being completely opposed to the idea of curing the Genophage to just being indifferent about it.
EDIT- nvm, HYR 2.0 beat me to it.
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Posté 15 juin 2014 - 02:39
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It just seemed like no matter what he said or felt about what the situation was, it wouldn't of made a difference. He wasn't worried about it and just let the politicians do their thing.
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Posté 15 juin 2014 - 03:17
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I didn't really see him as all that different. If anything, he didn't seem to have any strong feelings about the cure either way and just wanted to get the reapers dealt with. He struck me as the type that would just leave that issue for another day.
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Posté 15 juin 2014 - 05:40
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Maybe he and Mordin spent their free time talking genophage over coffee, and Kirrahe changed his viewpoint a little.
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Posté 15 juin 2014 - 06:29
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Maybe he and Mordin spent their free time talking genophage over coffee, and Kirrahe changed his viewpoint a little.
Mordin on caffeine?
That is either a horrible or great idea, with no in-between.
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Posté 15 juin 2014 - 06:32
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Mordin on caffeine?
That is either a horrible or great idea, with no in-between.
When he heard Mordin was coming to the base, Wiks switched to decaf.
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Posté 15 juin 2014 - 08:47
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Apologies. I'll... try... to... slow... down... no, no no no, can't do it!
Really, the thing is... it's been close to three years since we last saw Kirrahe on Virmire. That's like adulthood to middle-age for a salarian. Anything could have changed his viewpoint on the genophage, even the events on Virmire itself.
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Posté 15 juin 2014 - 09:21
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Now we can't have a somewhat good character opposing Shepard now, can we?
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Posté 15 juin 2014 - 09:45
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Still, I won't argue that it's strange that he went from being completely opposed to the idea of curing the Genophage to just being indifferent about it.
In fairness, ME1's circumstances were far different, since there was no galactic war yet, but aside from that, there was the whole matter of the krogan clone army that would be under Saren's command on top of the genophage cure.
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Posté 15 juin 2014 - 09:55
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Now we can't have a somewhat good character opposing Shepard now, can we?
Really I was with you until you said, "somewhat good" ... then you lost me.
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Posté 15 juin 2014 - 10:08
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Really I was with you until you said, "somewhat good" ... then you lost me.
But it's true, nontheless. Disagreeing with Shepard generally doesn't warrant you a very sympathetic portrayal in the Mass Effect Universe.
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Posté 15 juin 2014 - 10:16
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But it's true, nontheless. Disagreeing with Shepard generally doesn't warrant you a very sympathetic portrayal in the Mass Effect Universe.
But shep and crew saved the lives of Kirrahe and his crew on Virmire, sacrificing one of their own to do it. Why would Kirrahe oppose shep on Sur'Kesh? Really it seemed to me that Kirrahe would be happy simply to get Eve off his planet, never mind anything else. 'Anything else' was for the politicians to figure out. Kirrahe's a soldier. He does what he's told, and offers opinions when he's directed to. That's my impression of him. Damn, I wish we could have offered him Ash/Kaidan's spot on the squad.
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Posté 15 juin 2014 - 10:41
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But shep and crew saved the lives of Kirrahe and his crew on Virmire, sacrificing one of their own to do it. Why would Kirrahe oppose shep on Sur'Kesh? Really it seemed to me that Kirrahe would be happy simply to get Eve off his planet, never mind anything else. 'Anything else' was for the politicians to figure out. Kirrahe's a soldier. He does what he's told, and offers opinions when he's directed to. That's my impression of him. Damn, I wish we could have offered him Ash/Kaidan's spot on the squad.
Why would your ideology change because someone saved your life? Well, I guess it's hard to argue when Shepard makes almost the exact same 180 degree turn.
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Posté 15 juin 2014 - 08:13
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Does his ideology really change?
As KaiserShep already said, the circumstances of the two meeting are entirely different:
The first is on a mission, directly next to an enemy base where enemy forces are breed and Kirrahe already lost several of his team member.
Further more he is going to direct the rest of his team to a suicide mission- with minimal hope of return- to destroy what is perceived as the biggest advantage of Saren.
The next meet is on his home planet, where there is still no sign of the reaper invasion and Shep him/her -self
(aka. the hero bar none, come back from the dead yada yada) comes to do whatever actually.
Also, as Mike and Kaiser said, he seems to be of the opinion to deal with things once they become a problem,
A genophage cure is not a problem for (approximately) how long the first new Krogan generation needs to reach pubescence.
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Posté 16 juin 2014 - 06:25
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I don't believe Kirrahe's attitude is indicative of any trend (because of course Wrex and Eve are procure)
In ME1, he was against a rogue spectre lead an army of both geth and cured evil krogan
In ME2, he was more than willing to let the genophage be cured because you can't fight the Reapers without the krogan.
It's essentially the same as paragon Shepard. It's not an attitude indicative of anything aside from being practical and diplomatic.
ME1 - Shepard wasn't going to let Saren develop the cure so that he can have his own krogan army.
ME2 - Shepard had the genophage cured so that the krogan can join the war.
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Posté 17 juin 2014 - 03:16
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Is he actively pro-cure? Or just because he also thinks they need the Krogan to win the war?
I've never heard anything from him that justifies the first one...AFAIK. As someone said already, he just seemed indifferent.
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Posté 17 juin 2014 - 07:05
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I miss his "hold the line" speech. Was one of the things that kept drawing me back to ME1.
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Posté 22 juin 2014 - 04:55
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I didn't really see anything pro or anti-cure in his dialogue. Also circumstances were quite different. As for his cheerfullness. Maybe he's normally like that but when we met him in ME1 he could have been tired and stressed because of his mission and maybe mourning lost comrades so he wasn't his usual self back then or he was just happy to see Shepard.
I'm more bothered why he looks so different in ME3 than he did ME1. Then again I don't know how old Kirrahe is and how drastically salarians change as they age
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Posté 22 juin 2014 - 05:13
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Could be different circumstances but he would not be the only character to have changed his entire life when he met The Shepard (Helena Blake anyone?)
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Posté 22 juin 2014 - 05:57
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To be fair, most returning characters in ME3 were 'out of character'.
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Posté 22 juin 2014 - 06:15
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Could be different circumstances but he would not be the only character to have changed his entire life when he met The Shepard (Helena Blake anyone?)
Unless you leave her be, in which case she simply becomes an underling for Aria.
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Posté 22 juin 2014 - 06:32
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Unless you leave her be, in which case she simply becomes an underling for Aria.
I never ever in my (blush) 14 plays of ME1 converted Helena Blake from her life of crime. I needed the money at the time. "And Helena, kill some Batarians for me."
But Kirrahe? It would have been nice to have a sympathetic character give a counter opinion to curing the genophage in addition to the antagonistic Dalatrass. But no one sympathetic ever holds a counter opinion to Shepard on anything in the MEU.
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