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[The Elder King]

Ohh I was going for irony with that marketing line
 
Yes. I have. But they wern`t so constant and "in your face" as it was in DA2. I see it happening in DA:I as well. Think of it as a threshold. You can tollerate some things here and there. But when practically evrey move is oozing of "magic", it gets harder not to keep noticing it.

Understood, and i agree on the threshold. Mine was probably lower then yours though.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Pretty sure they are (and no, small logo wouldn't do). Appealing and informing aren't mutually exclusive, though. As for DD, it's just different aesthetics. You like DD approach better? I do. Doesn't make Inquisition any worse in this respect. Just different. Not exactly my cup of tea, but I can live with that and can't see any point in devaluing something that clearly works for so many games and players.

 

Why wouldn't a small logo (or symbol) be as effective? If you ask me it would be more effective in portraying the same thing without visual fire-works taking up my view. That (along with the lore implications) is my problem. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the aesthetics of combat makes Inquisition any worse (I'm digging everything else). I'm just giving my opinion on the matter that others here agree with too. I'm sure Bioware appreciate that their fan base consist of intelligent people who are able to debate and of course, I'm sure they appreciate the feedback.

 

 

I dunno why people like to think that DA:O was the pinnacle of all realistic combat in a video game, because it wasn't, and it didn't even come close.

 

 

Who here thinks its the pinnacle? Kingdom Come: Deliverance is probably the best example of the most realistic melee combat thus far judging by its gameplay (as it actually uses real sword fighting techniques and seems to have an emphasis on actually piercing/breaking enemy armor to attack their flesh). I was personally using it as example (along with Dragon's Dogma and the Souls series) for a more realistic aesthetic in combat. Mighty blow in Origins was just a regular upswing attack in but this was replaced with a ground smashing attack in DA2. Apart from the visual effects of sustained abilities, most warrior abilities had no flashy visuals to accompany them in Origins which is a approach I and others here preferred.

[PsychoBlonde]

Yeah i'm with you on this, the glow effects of the talents are far too over done for my liking, it just looks ridiculous. That and when you have multiple people using talents and spells at once the battlefield starts to look like a rave rather that a fight.

 

I haven't seen enough stuff to say whether this is the case for DA:I, but it's CERTAINLY the case in a lot of games.  I don't need a ton of flickering neon lights, thanks.

 

DDO still has my favorite effects.  They did a good job of hitting that medium between "flashy" and "seizure-inducing".  Momentum Swing and Lay Waste from Legendary Dreadnought are particularly awesome--without being all sparkly.

[Deflagratio]

A combat log would accomplish this much easier, why do I feel like I'm the only one requests this? I mean for christ, I've seen pure ARPGs with combat logs recent;y.

 

Did it occur to you that reading scrolling text in the midst of battle would take some people out of the experience? Back when I played MMO's I would use combat animations over the battle log to time abilities and counter hostiles/players.

[Zanallen]

I don't see any of the things that the warriors and rogues are doing as magical. Slamming a sword into the ground and causing the earth to shatter from the blow? That guy is super strong. It fits with the fact that he can shrug off an ogre's massive fists slamming into his chest or getting chomped on and flambeed by a dragon. He's a super human, certainly. Perhaps everyone in Thedas is. I certainly don't remember anything in the lore saying that they aren't stronger/faster/tougher than humans in real life and everything in the gameplay suggests that they are. What makes them different from mages is that they can't conjure up fireballs at will or summon demons or mind control someone into killing themselves.

[twincast]

Well, it doesn't look as uncomfortably ludicrous as in DA2 to me. That is to say: I don't care for it one atomic iota, but I expect that I'll be able to deal with/ignore it.

[themageguy]

If the warrior is a reaver or Templar id expect magical displays....
however i play as a mage so its all flashy to me

[The Elder King]

If the warrior is a reaver or Templar id expect magical displays....
however i play as a mage so its all flashy to me

Well, yes, but i don't think those who are saying they don't like warriors and rogues to have magical abilities were referring to those specs. Those are obviously based on the idea that a warrior unlocks magical/supernatural abilities through lyrium or blood.
They were mostly talking about their general abilities or specs that don't make sense to have magical abilities.

[Rawgrim]

I`d like to actualy have to use lyrium for the templar abilities, to be honest. It needs lyrium, so having to have some lyrium available would make sense.

[chrstnmonks]

I am one of the people that like all the flashy animations. I perfer visual cues over a combat log. 

[Aran Linvail]

I dont mind to much the flashy animations , as long as the enemys dont explode or the rogue kick the bottle instead of trowing with his hands im ok with it

 

Ps : Sorry for my English.

[The Elder King]

I`d like to actualy have to use lyrium for the templar abilities, to be honest. It needs lyrium, so having to have some lyrium available would make sense.

I agree (as I want to see a Reaver ingesting blood when he'll unlock the spec), though their abilities in itself fit the lore.

[NUM13ER]

I have nothing against more visual flair, or the look of the moves shown in the OP, but perhaps the option to turn off certain effects and "motion lines" will exist.

I mean don't complain about the ridiculous exploding torso's (from being stabbed and hit with arrows etc) in DA II because I could and did in fact have the option to turn them off. So there may still that hope if you're not a fan.
 

[Deebo305]

I`d like to actualy have to use lyrium for the templar abilities, to be honest. It needs lyrium, so having to have some lyrium available would make sense.

Pretty sure that was proven to be false by Alister who stated and showed one can gain Templar abilities through training alone without resortint to lyrium

[Nyeredzi]

Pretty sure that was proven to be false by Alister who stated and showed one can gain Templar abilities through training alone without resortint to lyrium

that's rich!!

 

OMG, so you can fire that templar kame hame ha thing with just sheer will and strength? And alistair figured that out?....Alistair?

[Deebo305]

that's rich!!

 

OMG, so you can fire that templar kame hame ha thing with just sheer will and strength? And alistair figured that out?....Alistair?

Thats right Alister! Caliens slow witted goofy(possibly mentally retarded) half brother

 

When think about it though it say alot about the nature of magicial/spiritual abilties in the DA Uniserve and whats attainable through sheer force of will.

[Yunaleska]

i don't understand. it's different game if you like DD that much why not play it again. please let DA be DA.

[Vilegrim]

i don't understand. it's different game if you like DD that much why not play it again. please let DA be DA.

 

 

The last DA game had these problems, and was terrible, so praying the same mistakes haven't been repeated is perfectly valid.

[Zanallen]

The last DA game had these problems, and was terrible, so praying the same mistakes haven't been repeated is perfectly valid.

 

DA:O also had these "problems" and is largely considered a good game. Also, correlation does not imply causation.

[The Elder King]

Pretty sure that was proven to be false by Alister who stated and showed one can gain Templar abilities through training alone without resortint to lyrium

Nah, that line was retconnetted. Gaider stated that templars have to take lyrium to their abilities. They can howewer use it for a long time if they stop using lyrium (as Alistair proved, According to Gaider), but they'll eventually not be able to use them anymore, and have to use lyrium again.

[Maferath]

It is odd you can learn the Templar spec from Alistair if lyrium is, in fact, necessary and he doesn't know that.

[Zanallen]

It is odd you can learn the Templar spec from Alistair if lyrium is, in fact, necessary and he doesn't know that.

 

Lyrium is part of the Joining so maybe that serves to allow the Warden to learn Templar abilities in DA:O. Not sure about Hawke though.

[Uccio]

Too fast and too much Awesome Button™. I guess a bit of realism is too much to ask for when it comes to warriors and rogues.