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[LenaMarie]

That's a pipe dream. Microsoft can't just release an upgraded version of their system because any games designed to take advantage of that power would be unusable on the original console. It would split their userbase. People have theorized that it could work if developers designed their games to run in 2 different modes (a high and low graphical settings mode i suppose), but that would add a lot lot of work for them and most likely be an unpopular decision.

 

You do realize They did this with the Xbox 360 right? There was several upgraded 360s with better hardware.

 

I realize Xbox fanboys might not want to accept they paid for inferior hardware but your late to the party. Besides, they are mostly talking about upgrading the EERPOM memory to boost its ability to compete with PS4.

[Schreckstoff]

You do realize They did this with the Xbox 360 right? There was several upgraded 360s with better hardware.

I realize Xbox fanboys might not want to accept they paid for inferior hardware but your late to the party. Besides, they are mostly talking about upgrading the EERPOM memory to boost its ability to compete with PS4.

Updated hardware is the more appropriate terminus because an upgrade implies it being stronger while the 360 came with HDMI integrated wlan etc. in later MKs it didn't come with more nor better ram, nor a stronger CPU/GPU.

[Moghedia]

Nope, I've not had a console since the PS1. Now I'm a PC gamer exclusively. I may upgrade my graphics card if its necessary though.

[LenaMarie]

Updated hardware is the more appropriate terminus because an upgrade implies it being stronger while the 360 came with HDMI integrated wlan etc. in later MKs it didn't come with more nor better ram, nor a stronger CPU/GPU.

Also the Original 360 had 90nm CPU/GPU and by the Valhalla Upgrade,  it  became so much more faster by the die shrinking to 40nm. Its certainly very possible and likely for Microsoft to do such things with the Xbox one and increase its memory to keep up with the PS4. 

 

P.S.  With the 360 upgrades, there were games that only worked properly on the newer hardware and had stuttering and texture pop ins on older 360 hardware, like the infamous Grand Theft Auto releases, so Yes, they do those things because its already happened.

[Aaleel]

I play on PC, but I would never buy a gaming console for one game, just like I won't buy a new video card for one game.  Unless I can look down the line and see several games I'm interested in playing I'll stay with what I have.

[BetoJR]

Well, my PS4 was bought with the intended purpose of playing this game.

Thankfully, I've kept it busy since, with some really nice games, but I still wait eagerly for October. I've actually already pre-ordered it over the PSN, by the way.

[Deflagratio]

I play on PC, but I would never buy a gaming console for one game, just like I won't buy a new video card for one game.  Unless I can look down the line and see several games I'm interested in playing I'll stay with what I have.

 

 

That's the smart way of doing it. I'd go so far as to say that one game could sell a platform though, judged on an average cost-per-hour investment. Such games are few and far between of course.

 

I'd buy an entirely new piece of hardware for a Fallout or Elder Scrolls game, because they typically (with no exception yet, but always a possibility) allow for 500+ hours of gameplay. That's less than $1 per hour in terms of entertainment value with the hardware price (Graphics card or Console)

 

Between Destiny, Dragon Age and The Witcher 3, I think the time is right to finally invest in a new platform. One of those could be a total flop, and I think it'd still wind up being a good investment at this point.

[Kinthalis ThornBlade]

Also the Original 360 had 90nm CPU/GPU and by the Valhalla Upgrade,  it  became so much more faster by the die shrinking to 40nm. Its certainly very possible and likely for Microsoft to do such things with the Xbox one and increase its memory to keep up with the PS4. 

 

P.S.  With the 360 upgrades, there were games that only worked properly on the newer hardware and had stuttering and texture pop ins on older 360 hardware, like the infamous Grand Theft Auto releases, so Yes, they do those things because its already happened.

 

Nope. The reduction in the manufacturing process reduced TDP and therefore heat power draw, but that's about it.

 

You can't dilute the install base like that, console gamers would be up in arms about it.

[Hazegurl]

So I was wondering who else was planning this. I found out with a ps4 and vita you can play DAI anywhere. It will stream the game over the net to the vita. I really like the sound of that

I already have a PS4 but I really want to play on the PC more than anything. Being broke sucks.

[godModeAlpha]

Also the Original 360 had 90nm CPU/GPU and by the Valhalla Upgrade, it became so much more faster by the die shrinking to 40nm. Its certainly very possible and likely for Microsoft to do such things with the Xbox one and increase its memory to keep up with the PS4.

P.S. With the 360 upgrades, there were games that only worked properly on the newer hardware and had stuttering and texture pop ins on older 360 hardware, like the infamous Grand Theft Auto releases, so Yes, they do those things because its already happened.

I believe shrinking the die was to save on manufacturing costs, less silicon needed, does not necessarily make it faster.

Can't wait for the time there will be just one device to play games, is that possible?

[Kinthalis ThornBlade]

I believe shrinking the die was to save on manufacturing costs, less silicon needed, does not necessarily make it faster.

Can't wait for the time there will be just one device to play games, is that possible?

 

I don't think there will be one device per say, but the future is definitely going towards gaming as a service. In 20 years your smart TV will simply connect to EA servers to play Dragon Age 6: The return of the darkspawn!

 

At least that will be the reality for most of the mainstream gaming crowd. I think PC gaming will still be around with mostly indie games or e-sports/competitive games with community driven content. 

[bmwcrazy]

Nah.

 

I'll get a PS4 for Gran Turismo 7 and other Japanese PS4 games that aren't available on the PC.

[Schreckstoff]

Nah.

 

I'll get a PS4 for Gran Turismo 7 and other Japanese PS4 games that aren't available on the PC.

Sadly the quality of JRPG pretty much went downhill in recent years and the remaining few good ones are very western styled. Persona 5 hopefully will be astonishing but that will be on PS3.

[bmwcrazy]

Sadly the quality of JRPG pretty much went downhill in recent years and the remaining few good ones are very western styled. Persona 5 hopefully will be astonishing but that will be on PS3.

 

I wasn't talking about JRPGs though.

 

More like dating sims and other casual games with cute anime girls. Like the Idolm@ster series.

 

[Schreckstoff]

I wasn't talking about JRPGs though.

 

More like dating sims and other casual games with cute anime girls. Like the Idolm@ster series.

Don't they like never get localized?

[bmwcrazy]

Don't they like never get localized?

 

They are still fun and playable if you know a bit Japanese.

 

I really love playing Idolm@ster 2 and Dream C Club on my PS3. I'll buy a PS4 for the same purpose. 

[Schreckstoff]

They are still fun and playable if you know a bit Japanese.

 

I really love playing Idolm@ster 2 and Dream C Club on my PS3. I'll buy a PS4 for the same purpose. 

Won't they still release on PS3 the next few years?

[bmwcrazy]

Won't they still release on PS3 the next few years?

 

They will, but you know I won't be using my PS3 forever. 

 

The PS4 version of Idolm@ster will be released later this year, so it's only a matter of time before I buy a PS4. 

[Deflagratio]

You can't dilute the install base like that, console gamers would be up in arms about it.

 

 

Well, the N64 did with the Expansion Pack add on (Doubled system RAM), though they bundled it with most games that required it.

 

And when you think about it, XboxOne has already done this by removing the standardization of Kinect, which freed up quite a lot in terms of system resources. That's more of a developer-side of things though.

 

I don't think there will be one device per say, but the future is definitely going towards gaming as a service. In 20 years your smart TV will simply connect to EA servers to play Dragon Age 6: The return of the darkspawn!

 

At least that will be the reality for most of the mainstream gaming crowd. I think PC gaming will still be around with mostly indie games or e-sports/competitive games with community driven content. 

 

 

Given America's rate of improving telecommunication infrastructure, that will never happen, at least in America. You've already got Telecom companies going butthurt over Netflix's bandwidth and data usage, throw in the gaming equivalent of Netflix to that, along with the greater data usage and streaming required for the massive amounts of data as better visuals become more standard. Look at the size differences between 1080p and 480p.

 

And that's assuming there wouldn't be huge ISP data charges, which it looks like the American ISP scene is leaning towards.

[Nashimura]

Actually Dragon age has zero influence on whether i get a ps4 or not.... since its coming out on 360 anyway. But there is a pretty good chance i will have one by then anyway, if so ill get it on ps4. 

[Doctoglethorpe]

Also the Original 360 had 90nm CPU/GPU and by the Valhalla Upgrade,  it  became so much more faster by the die shrinking to 40nm. Its certainly very possible and likely for Microsoft to do such things with the Xbox one and increase its memory to keep up with the PS4. 

 

P.S.  With the 360 upgrades, there were games that only worked properly on the newer hardware and had stuttering and texture pop ins on older 360 hardware, like the infamous Grand Theft Auto releases, so Yes, they do those things because its already happened.

 

This is unequivocally false.  The shrunken dies and rearranged parts only lowered cost, size, and heat production.  There was never a performance boost, nor could there have been without user alienation.  

[StingingVelvet]

Upgrading my PC for it and Witcher 2, so I guess that's similar

[Kinthalis ThornBlade]

Well, the N64 did with the Expansion Pack add on (Doubled system RAM), though they bundled it with most games that required it.

 

And when you think about it, XboxOne has already done this by removing the standardization of Kinect, which freed up quite a lot in terms of system resources. That's more of a developer-side of things though.

 

 

 

Given America's rate of improving telecommunication infrastructure, that will never happen, at least in America. You've already got Telecom companies going butthurt over Netflix's bandwidth and data usage, throw in the gaming equivalent of Netflix to that, along with the greater data usage and streaming required for the massive amounts of data as better visuals become more standard. Look at the size differences between 1080p and 480p.

 

And that's assuming there wouldn't be huge ISP data charges, which it looks like the American ISP scene is leaning towards.

 

Removing kinect has not freed any significant amount of resources that developers didn't' already have access to.

 

Never say never ;p  Ten years ago internet penetration was less than half of what it is today in the US (IIRC). Are you seriously suggesting that internet hurdles will never be solved?

 

Of course they will. It's just a matter of when. I think  2 decades is a conservative estimate.

 

Besides it's not like Sony and MS would need EVERYONE in America to have broadband. The people with broadband NOW is greater than the total number of console gamers in the U.S. And if the major metropolitan centers are covered,d that's a plenty big pool of users.

 

Finally, The U.S is unlikely to be the driver of this anyway... China and other Asian countries will be THE market to tap, which will eventually change how business is done here as well.

[LenaMarie]

This is unequivocally false.  The shrunken dies and rearranged parts only lowered cost, size, and heat production.  There was never a performance boost, nor could there have been without user alienation.  

Xbots keep telling themselves that if it makes them feel better but there is 100% proof out there Older 360s played games like GTA and Skyrim and such very badly compared to the newer 360s. 

[Deflagratio]

Removing kinect has not freed any significant amount of resources that developers didn't' already have access to.

 

 

100% false.

 

Bungie was able to push up Destiny from 800p to 1080p disabling Kinect.

 

 

 

 

 

Never say never ;p  Ten years ago internet penetration was less than half of what it is today in the US (IIRC). Are you seriously suggesting that internet hurdles will never be solved?

 

Of course they will. It's just a matter of when. I think  2 decades is a conservative estimate.

 

People said we'd have flying cars by twenty years ago, so I think you're being either 1) optimistic, or 2) naive about how the world really works. With new advancement being pushed down in the name of status-quot profits.

 

But yes, Never say never. I'm used to speaking in absolutes because people I speak with tend to understand my complete obliviousness to the idea of "Absolute" So to me, "never" = extremely unlikely. But if you want to continue to be the hyperbole police, I can't stop you.

 

Besides it's not like Sony and MS would need EVERYONE in America to have broadband. The people with broadband NOW is greater than the total number of console gamers in the U.S. And if the major metropolitan centers are covered,d that's a plenty big pool of users.

 

It's not the install base of Broadband that's the problems, it's the service providers that are the problem, that and the profit-centric mindset. Again, if you keep up with current events, you can see how ISP's are pushing against services that utilize a disproportionately large amount of data. (Netflix being the biggest target right now)