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[Deflagratio]

Well, that's simply untrue. Not sure where you are getting this from. Even going back to last gen: a GTX 8800 GPU from the start of the generation could run most multiplats better than an xbox 360. Of course, better than an Xbox 360 was 720p, 30 FPS, medium settings, and in 2011 you probably looked at that mess of jaggies and said, no way no how, I'm upgrading my PC. But that doesn't magically mean the Xbox was somehow better, or the mere fact that the PC version of games featured better lighting and shadowing, AA and AF, more AI, better physics, etc, etc mean somehow you were losing something over console by not upgrading.

 

 

Sometimes I just want my games to work without another Adobe Flash update yelling at me this week, or having to reinstall drivers for every single AAA game. (As often Nvidia/AMD have special optimization done for each title)

 

You should really stop pretending PC doesn't pay a steep price (Figuratively and literally) for its graphical (And rarely gameplay) superiority. It's a price I'm never willing to pay without insurance. That insurance just happens to be a console for when my PC is just too much trouble to be bothered with.

 

I've also got some philosophical reasons why I often prefer experiencing games on consoles first. Namely it lets the developer's vision take center stage, as opposed to what kind of performance-optimizing things I can do, be it mods or literal performance tweaks. I'm obsessive like that, the shackles of consoles in this case are quite cathartic.

[duckley]

Yes!

[godModeAlpha]

Nope!  Xbox was the best place to play BioWare games and it looks like the One will continue that legacy.  Xbox One for me...

 

Hope Bioware can crank the resolution up to 1080p on Xbox one. Cos am sure that's what it will be for the PS4

[SolNebula]

My gaming laptop is aging and currently I do not have the money for a new one. So i'm planning to buy a PS4 soon and start playing the new generation of BW games there. Unfortunately gaming on PC is getting more and more expensive for my pockets.

 

Will probably switch to consoles so that I don't have to worry about graphical setting and upgrades. Gaming on console is easy.

[Feryx]

Yep, and I am hoping for some cross platform multiplayer with the PC, so I can game with my wife.

[Mr. Homebody]

I was planning to buy PS 4 especially for DA:I. However it turned out that in my country (Poland) there won't be translated subtitles for next generation consoles. It's kinda ridiculous because the game will be translated for Xbox 360, PS 3 and PC. I hope it will change because I would like to pregorder DA:I on PS 4.

[TheFabulousCat]

Well I pre-ordered DAI for the PS4 yesterday so I guess I have to buy the console now

[smoke and mirrors]

Yes i went out and ordred my PS4 when i thought DAI was coming out in November , so i have the PS4 but no game

[panamakira]

Already have one. I will hopefully be getting the Ultimate Edition or whatever it is that comes with the collectibles items since it has one for the PS4.

 

DA:I will probably be THE game for the PS4 this year.

[Ivory.]

Me

 

 

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Probably not, switching to a new console is a nightmare for someone as technologically inept as me

[Kinthalis ThornBlade]

Sometimes I just want my games to work without another Adobe Flash update yelling at me this week, or having to reinstall drivers for every single AAA game. (As often Nvidia/AMD have special optimization done for each title)

 

You should really stop pretending PC doesn't pay a steep price (Figuratively and literally) for its graphical (And rarely gameplay) superiority. It's a price I'm never willing to pay without insurance. That insurance just happens to be a console for when my PC is just too much trouble to be bothered with.

 

I've also got some philosophical reasons why I often prefer experiencing games on consoles first. Namely it lets the developer's vision take center stage, as opposed to what kind of performance-optimizing things I can do, be it mods or literal performance tweaks. I'm obsessive like that, the shackles of consoles in this case are quite cathartic.

 

Lol. the limitations of the consoles are good, I swears!

 

No, they really aren't, you're just desperately trying to rationalize your purchase. Which is fine, it's normal human behavior really, but please don't try to sell it as some sort of plus on the side of consoles.

 

Updates on consoles have become just as numerous as on PC, btw. Maybe 10 years ago it was a different story, but NOT today. Also, adobe flash update, required for a game, really? You're reaching.

 

I'm happy to experience games as they were MEANT to be experienced by the art team. At full resolution, high texture quality, the highest object detail, highest quality lighting and shadows and at a silky smooth 60 FPS.

 

If the price I have to pay not to play games at medium or lower settings 20-30 FPS, and without ANY community content is the occasional driver update (which I would have to suffer on consoles ANYWAY) and cheaper games  So be it.

 

PC gamers aren't afraid of options. We embrace them, they empower us to make the gaming experience whatever we, as individuals, want it to be. We refuse to be shackled by the limitations of consoles, where you are TOLD what the game experience should be and tough cookies if you don't agree.

[BlazinAces30]

no xbox one 

[godModeAlpha]

Lol. the limitations of the consoles are good, I swears!
 
No, they really aren't, you're just desperately trying to rationalize your purchase. Which is fine, it's normal human behavior really, but please don't try to sell it as some sort of plus on the side of consoles.
 
Updates on consoles have become just as numerous as on PC, btw. Maybe 10 years ago it was a different story, but NOT today. Also, adobe flash update, required for a game, really? You're reaching.
 
I'm happy to experience games as they were MEANT to be experienced by the art team. At full resolution, high texture quality, the highest object detail, highest quality lighting and shadows and at a silky smooth 60 FPS.
 
If the price I have to pay not to play games at medium or lower settings 20-30 FPS, and without ANY community content is the occasional driver update (which I would have to suffer on consoles ANYWAY) and cheaper games  So be it.
 
PC gamers aren't afraid of options. We embrace them, they empower us to make the gaming experience whatever we, as individuals, want it to be. We refuse to be shackled by the limitations of consoles, where you are TOLD what the game experience should be and tough cookies if you don't agree.

Lets do some maths ... While we have fun:

last I checked an average PC can guzzle up to 500 watts ... Assuming you play DAI for the quoted 50 hour speed run, you will have consumed 25 Kilo watts of power per hour (kWh). The PS4 uses about 140 Watts, or 7 kWh for the equivalent play through.

Used to play on PC but I think the manufactures, Intel, AMD etc were leading me down the wrong direction.

[Loki_344]

Yep, and I am hoping for some cross platform multiplayer with the PC, so I can game with my wife.

That's sort of a long shot for numerous reasons but I hope you get your wish.

[Kinthalis ThornBlade]

Lets do some maths ... While we have fun:

last I checked an average PC can guzzle up to 500 watts ... Assuming you play DAI for the quoted 50 hour speed run, you will have consumed 25 Kilo watts of power per hour (kWh). The PS4 uses about 140 Watts, or 7 kWh for the equivalent play through.

Used to play on PC but I think the manufactures, Intel, AMD etc were leading me down the wrong direction.

 

Why not bring a complete argument? Most gaming PC's aren't' going to be consuming 500 watts even during heavy gameplay. And An tech's review of the 780 ti says total system consumption (keep in mind this is a high end CPU coupled with a 780 ti - a high end GPU!) is about 375 watts.

 

The difference in consumption between a PS4 and a HIGH END PC with a 780 ti is:

 

PS4: 7 kWh - avg electricity cost: $0.72

High end PC: 18.75 kWh - avg electricity cost: $1.94

Difference: 11.75 kWh - avg electricity cost: $1.21

 

So an extra $1.21 after 50 hours.

 

In the meantime you're paying $50 for multiplayer a year, and on average $10 more per game. The last handful of  AAA games I purchased: Watchdogs ($45), Tomb Raider ($30), Crysis 3 ($40), Thief($40), Borderlands 2($45) and Bioshock infinite($45) I bought at release or as preorder for an average price of $35. Vs the average price of $55-$60 on consoles. 

 

So yeah, I think I'm coming out way ahead on that little comparison, specially considering that a 780 ti high end PC will play this game a lot better than a PS4

[Deflagratio]

Why not bring a complete argument? Most gaming PC's aren't' going to be consuming 500 watts even during heavy gameplay. And An tech's review of the 780 ti says total system consumption (keep in mind this is a high end CPU coupled with a 780 ti - a high end GPU!) is about 375 watts.

 

The difference in consumption between a PS4 and a HIGH END PC with a 780 ti is:

 

PS4: 7 kWh - avg electricity cost: $0.72

High end PC: 18.75 kWh - avg electricity cost: $1.94

Difference: 11.75 kWh - avg electricity cost: $1.21

 

So an extra $1.21 after 50 hours.

 

In the meantime you're paying $50 for multiplayer a year, and on average $10 more per game. The last handful of  AAA games I purchased: Watchdogs ($45), Tomb Raider ($30), Crysis 3 ($40), Thief($40), Borderlands 2($45) and Bioshock infinite($45) I bought at release or as preorder for an average price of $35. Vs the average price of $55-$60 on consoles. 

 

So yeah, I think I'm coming out way ahead on that little comparison, specially considering that a 780 ti high end PC will play this game a lot better than a PS4

 

 

Just for the record, it's not that simple. If the wattage is used On-Peak and if it puts you over your projected consumer consumption bracket, prices can Skyrocket. My PC actually added around $130 dollars a month at my old house. But we had a lot of high-consumption appliances that pushed it very high on the bracket. The PC was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

 

To that extent, if power rationing is something you have to take into account it's a very valid concern.

[godModeAlpha]

Why not bring a complete argument? Most gaming PC's aren't' going to be consuming 500 watts even during heavy gameplay. And An tech's review of the 780 ti says total system consumption (keep in mind this is a high end CPU coupled with a 780 ti - a high end GPU!) is about 375 watts.

 

The difference in consumption between a PS4 and a HIGH END PC with a 780 ti is:

 

PS4: 7 kWh - avg electricity cost: $0.72

High end PC: 18.75 kWh - avg electricity cost: $1.94

Difference: 11.75 kWh - avg electricity cost: $1.21

 

So an extra $1.21 after 50 hours.

 

In the meantime you're paying $50 for multiplayer a year, and on average $10 more per game. The last handful of  AAA games I purchased: Watchdogs ($45), Tomb Raider ($30), Crysis 3 ($40), Thief($40), Borderlands 2($45) and Bioshock infinite($45) I bought at release or as preorder for an average price of $35. Vs the average price of $55-$60 on consoles. 

 

So yeah, I think I'm coming out way ahead on that little comparison, specially considering that a 780 ti high end PC will play this game a lot better than a PS4

 

I have to admit console players get shafted big time on the game price, sad stuff really.

 

On the power consumption I still stand by my PS4, that extra $1,21 could buy me lunch.

[Jupiter79]

Yes, I will be finally upgrading to a PS4 for DA:I. I'll be purchasing DA:I for the PC as well, but don't plan to invest much on upgrading any of my PCs to do it justice. So, it'll be a console game for me for quite some time. 

 

I used to be adamantly opposed to buying RPGs for consoles. But after giving Dragon Age and the Mass Effect trilogy a shot on my PS3 (and ME3 on my Wii U--yes, really. I enjoyed using the gamepad.), I'm totally open to it.  

[Kinthalis ThornBlade]

 

 

Just for the record, it's not that simple. If the wattage is used On-Peak and if it puts you over your projected consumer consumption bracket, prices can Skyrocket. My PC actually added around $130 dollars a month at my old house. But we had a lot of high-consumption appliances that pushed it very high on the bracket. The PC was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

 

To that extent, if power rationing is something you have to take into account it's a very valid concern.

 

The difference isn't significant, is my point. Either it adds cents to your bill over a console, or the console wattage is likely already putting you on Peak rates.

 

And in the long run, you'd save a ton fo money over consoles thanks to free multiplayer and much cheaper games. Right now there's a Steam sale going on, and you can literally build an entire gaming library spanning decades over it for very little money - something you just can't do on consoles without getting into buying older consoles, finding the older games, and spending a lot more on newer games too.

 

You can't really beat PC with consoles in terms of gaming library and value over the long run.

 

About the only thing console offers is a lower initial investment, the occasional console exclusive (though PC has more exclusives than any console) and ease of purchase. That's it.

 

And I'm hoping in a year or two, Steam machines makes the purchase of gaming PC's easy. It's the number one hurdle for average joe gamer. You can stroll into bestbuy and pick up a PS4, but you need to do a bit or research before purchasing a gaming PC.

[Kinthalis ThornBlade]

I have to admit console players get shafted big time on the game price, sad stuff really.

 

On the power consumption I still stand by my PS4, that extra $1,21 could buy me lunch.

 

What? Man, I wish $1.20 could buy me lunch. That's a water bottle where I live. I'd be starving!

[Deflagratio]

The difference isn't significant, is my point. Either it adds cents to your bill over a console, or the console wattage is likely already putting you on Peak rates.

 

And in the long run, you'd save a ton fo money over consoles thanks to free multiplayer and much cheaper games. Right now there's a Steam sale going on, and you can literally build an entire gaming library spanning decades over it for very little money - something you just can't do on consoles without getting into buying older consoles, finding the older games, and spending a lot more on newer games too.

 

You can't really beat PC with consoles in terms of gaming library and value over the long run.

 

About the only thing console offers is a lower initial investment, the occasional console exclusive (though PC has more exclusives than any console) and ease of purchase. That's it.

 

And I'm hoping in a year or two, Steam machines makes the purchase of gaming PC's easy. It's the number one hurdle for average joe gamer. You can stroll into bestbuy and pick up a PS4, but you need to do a bit or research before purchasing a gaming PC.

 

I don't think the Entry Barrier is the biggest hurdle, I think the biggest hurdle is maintenance issues. Not sure there's any way around it to be honest, outside of standardizing the hardware and software (Which is what consoles do). While it's definitely getting better, are there really any PC gamers that don't harbor a slight amount of doubt whether or not a particular title will run on their PC? And I don't mean Min-Spec related stuff, software or hardware incompatibility issues that are rare, but eminently frustrating when you do encounter them.

 

Maybe I think that just because I have a metric ton of experience with personal PC issues, just about every issue a PC can have with gaming I've had to fix, which puts my frame of reference well outside "Average Joe Gamer" I suppose.

 

I think Totalbiscuit's channel is a good one to look at to see the kind of stuff I'm talking about. Vsync breaking games, having to alter config files to get things working right.

 

I don't think anyone in their right mind can successfully argue PC is the objectively inferior platform, but to some people, peace of mind is worth playing on a less-than-optimal platform. The Insurance Industry wouldn't exist if that wasn't a common mentality.

[Doctoglethorpe]

Getting my PS4 for Destiny really, but I do plan on picking up DAI for it too rather then my PC.  (If its not on Steam its not on PC as far as I'm concerned for now on, so PS4 it is)  

[Mr. Homebody]

 

You can't really beat PC with consoles in terms of gaming library and value over the long run.

 

About the only thing console offers is a lower initial investment, the occasional console exclusive (though PC has more exclusives than any console) and ease of purchase. That's it.

 

For me it's not about money or amount of available game titles. It's about quality of gaming experience. I was PC player for a long time and my love for rpg games began with Baldur's Gate. Yet after buying my first console I would never come back to PC when it comes to games.

 

Yes playing on PC may be overall cheaper but when it comes to immersion then nothing is better than big TV and comfortable gamepad. It is possible to connect PC to TV but it's not the same (for a lot of reasons). And I have enough of keyboard and mouse (and back pain) in my work. It is possible to connect gamepad to PC but again, it is not the same (most of all only some games can use gamepad on PC, previous Bioware games could not).

 

Anyway there is a lot of reasons why I am choosing console over PC but it is all subjective. Some players like to constantly modify their hardware and software so they choose PC. There is no better gaming system, everybody plays as he/she likes. 

[Osena109]

Well   Ill have DAI  DD for my pc and standard   copy for my xbox one in my liveing room