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You can't say they're straight either. Bisexual people are not straight until proven bi.

 

Look. I will explain it slowly.

  1. Cullen has shown an interest in female mage warden, but has yet to show ANY tendencies to be attracted to men, so the logical conclusion is that he is likely straight.
  2. Cassandra shown to like a man, but only appreciates a woman hawke, with no romantic undertones unless those are read into it. She is likely straight as well.


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We have evidence that they like the OPPOSITE gender, therefore the most logical "guess" is straight for those two.

 

Does not matter if I "know" their actual orientations or not. They have not shown any S/S attraction in the romantic sense, so I cannot say they are bisexual.

 

A bisexual woman showing affection to a man and a bisexual man showing affection to a woman is not outside of the realm of possibilities for a bisexual person. Did Olivia Wilde suddenly become not bisexual because she married a man? 



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A bisexual woman showing affection to a man and a bisexual man showing affection to a woman is not outside of the realm of possibilities for a bisexual person. Did Olivia Wilde suddenly become not bisexual because she married a man? 

 

Then are they really bisexual if they NEVER show affection to the same sex? possible but not that likely.



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All you can prove if they like a person is that they're probably not asexual.


Not so - romantic asexual people exist. But yeah, from where I'm standing, all Cassandra's shown evidence of is being aromantic, in that she hasn't actually been shown to be interested in anybody.



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I have never died.

Therefore, I am immortal.

 

draken-heart isn't making any definite claims. In purely mathematical terms, there is overwhelming evidence that you will, in fact, die. There could be an upset, with you being the first immortal ever, but based on the previous ten billion humans before you, all of whom have died, that's pretty unlikely.



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Look. I will explain it slowly.

  1. Cullen has shown an interest in female mage warden, but has yet to show ANY tendencies to be attracted to men, so the logical conclusion is that he is likely straight.
  2. Cassandra shown to like a man, but only appreciates a woman hawke, with no romantic undertones unless those are read into it. She is likely straight as well.

In a Dragon Age game, no, that is not the most logical conclusion. There are more bisexual LIs (Leliana, Zevran, Anders, Merrill, Isabela, Fenris) than straight LIs (Alistair, Morrigan).
 

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draken-heart isn't making any definite claims. In purely mathematical terms, there is overwhelming evidence that you will, in fact, die. There could be an upset, with you being the first immortal ever, but based on the previous ten billion humans before you, all of whom have died, that's pretty unlikely.

 

Which is why it makes more sense to assume Cullen is bi. (see above)



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Wow, uglyboring Viv?  Have you...really paid attention to her design?  At all?  Her clothes, her headdress...boring isn't a word I'd describe for Vivienne.  She's not my type, but she is lovely.  

Cass wasn't "redesigned to be ugly."  Those are largely the same features as she had in DA2, just with a new engine.    <_<

I don't think it's possible to have a rational debate about tastes, really. Yeah, I've paid attention. I dislike her looks and she doesn't look interesting as a character (romance aside). I don't say that she is badly designed altogether, that would be a way too subjective assertion, but she does look uglyboring to me.

 

As for Cass, it's not just another engine - she has a different model, not just imported to a new engine with increased polygon count, but with dozens of small and not so small changes here and there which go far beyond cosmetics, thus she does look very different. That can be, of course, said about any old character with a new model, but in her case those changes totally broke the character for me, she simply looks too different and the charm she had in da2 is gone.



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Then are they really bisexual if they NEVER show affection to the same sex? possible but not that likely.

 

How can you possibly know if they have NEVER shown affection to the same sex? 


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draken-heart isn't making any definite claims. In purely mathematical terms, there is overwhelming evidence that you will, in fact, die. There could be an upset, with you being the first immortal ever, but based on the previous ten billion humans before you, all of whom have died, that's pretty unlikely.

 

 

In a Dragon Age game, no, that is not the most logical conclusion. There are more bisexual LIs (Leliana, Zevran, Anders, Merrill, Isabela, Fenris) than straight LIs (Alistair, Morrigan).
 

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Which is why it makes more sense to assume Cullen is bi. (see above)

 

Let me revise my statement then:

 

Cullen and Cassandra are LIKELY straight, based on what we know about their histories in that department. Until there is evidence that says they are quite possibly bi, that is on the low end of the probability meter.



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How can you possibly know if they have NEVER shown affection to the same sex? 

 

This. It's not like we've been shadowing Cullen and Cassandra for their entire lives. We only see them in glimpses. The fact that someone hasn't showed affection to a person of the same sex in front of you doesn't mean anything.


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In a Dragon Age game, no, that is not the most logical conclusion. There are more bisexual LIs (Leliana, Zevran, Anders, Merrill, Isabela, Fenris) than straight LIs (Alistair, Morrigan)

 

So why is it okay for Thedas to be binormative, but reality gets slammed for being heteronormative? I could be wrong, but that seems like a double standard.


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Let me revise my statement then:

 

Cullen and Cassandra are LIKELY straight, based on what we know about their histories in that department. Until there is evidence that says they are quite possibly bi, that is on the low end of the probability meter.


Clearly I'm getting nowhere with you re: Cullen, but there's still no evidence Cassandra is even interested in men at all, so you'll probably want to revise your statement further.



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How can you possibly know if they have NEVER shown affection to the same sex? 

 

 

This. It's not like we've been shadowing Cullen and Cassandra for their entire lives. We only see them in glimpses. The fact that someone hasn't showed affection to a person of the same sex in front of you doesn't mean anything.

 

I will say again:

 

Cullen and Cassandra are LIKELY straight, just like they are POSSIBLY bisexual.



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Look. I will explain it slowly.

  1. Cullen has shown an interest in female mage warden, but has yet to show ANY tendencies to be attracted to men, so the logical conclusion is that he is likely straight.
  2. Cassandra shown to like a man, but only appreciates a woman hawke, with no romantic undertones unless those are read into it. She is likely straight as well.

 

Unless he shows he's actively not interested in men, or she in women, it cannot be concluded- even then, it could be that they're closeted or haven't met the right person.



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So why is it okay for Thedas to be binormative, but reality gets slammed for being heteronormative? I could be wrong, but that seems like a double standard.


Because fictional binormativity doesn't hurt anybody, while real heteronormativy does. It'd be ideal if nobody presumed anything about anybody's sexuality, but those are really not comparable.


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Clearly I'm getting nowhere with you re: Cullen, but there's still no evidence Cassandra is even interested in men at all, so you'll probably want to revise your statement further.

 

She had a "fling" with a male mage in Dawn of the Seeker.

 

Because fictional binormativity doesn't hurt anybody, while real heteronormativy does. It'd be ideal if nobody presumed anything about anybody's sexuality, but those are really not comparable.

 

It doesn't really need to hurt anyone in real life. It's just a numbers thing. If I ask a guy I've just met if he'd like to visit a strip club, and he says he's gay, then that's fine. We'd go somewhere else. But 9 times out of 10 he wouldn't be. And I'd like to think he wouldn't be pissed with me for assuming.



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I will say again:

 

Cullen and Cassandra are LIKELY straight, just like they are POSSIBLY bisexual.

 

But they aren't LIKELY straight. They're POSSIBLY straight.



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Unless he shows he's actively not interested in men, or she in women, it cannot be concluded- even then, it could be that they're closeted or haven't met the right person.

 

Or it could mean that they ARE straight.



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Then are they really bisexual if they NEVER show affection to the same sex? possible but not that likely.

Never? The short time we see them? I've gone weeks without hitting on anyone of either gender. Does that make me asexual?



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Not so - romantic asexual people exist. But yeah, from where I'm standing, all Cassandra's shown evidence of is being aromantic, in that she hasn't actually been shown to be interested in anybody.

That's where the "probably" came into play. ;)



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But they aren't LIKELY straight. They're POSSIBLY straight.

 

Likely/Possibly are used interchangeably here.



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She had a "fling" with a male mage in Dawn of the Seeker.

It was a kiss on the cheek.  If that constitutes a "fling," then I guess I had one with my male best friend when he came by last week.   :rolleyes:


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She had a "fling" with a male mage in Dawn of the Seeker.

 

Er... no she didn't. She kissed him on the cheek and smiled at him a few times. What exactly is your definition of a fling?


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She had a "fling" with a male mage in Dawn of the Seeker.


Did she? In that case, nevermind. I still think discouraging speculation about the possibility of Cullen and Cassandra not being straight is ridiculous, especially since sexuality is more complicated than small, isolated interactions that took place years ago.

EDIT: Okay, according to the above posts, no, a kiss on the cheek isn't a "fling". Why are you guys doing backflips trying to preserve the assumed heterosexuality of fictional characters? Why does the idea of them being bisexual bother you so much?


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She had a "fling" with a male mage in Dawn of the Seeker.

 

 

It doesn't really need to hurt anyone in real life. It's just a numbers thing. If I ask a guy I've just met if he'd like to visit a strip club, and he says he's gay, then that's fine. We'd go somewhere else. But 9 times out of 10 he wouldn't be. And I'd like to think he wouldn't be pissed with me for assuming.

A fling? A kiss on the cheek? What's an affair for you, excessive hand holding?


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