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[Han Shot First]

ugh Vivienne as a romance would be annoying, I can't imagine she wins over hearts with her personality

 

I'm guessing that all three female companions will be LIs.

 

There are only three female companions and one of them is confirmed as being a lesbian LI. Assuming for a moment that Bioware is aiming for an equal division of possibilities for each gender and orientation combo, and also assuming that the companion characters will have more content than the non-companion romances, I'd expect that Cassandra and Vivienne would be the straight and bisexual female romance options. (or vice versa)

 

If Bioware went that route, among the female companions there would then be two potential LIs for both male and female Inquisitors.

[daveliam]

Stannis Baratheon

 

Wait, are you saying that Stannis is ugly?  I don't think so.  I think he looks fine, even attractive at some angles.

 

Or were you saying that he's like Brienne and has a more attractive actor than the book character?

[Steelcan]

Wait, are you saying that Stannis is ugly?  I don't think so.  I think he looks fine, even attractive at some angles.

Stannis is by no means an attractive man

 

Spoiler

[SnakeCode]

Wait, are you saying that Stannis is ugly?  I don't think so.  I think he looks fine, even attractive at some angles.

 

Or were you saying that he's like Brienne and has a more attractive actor than the book character?

My mum fancies Stephen Dillane lol.

[Ailith Tycane]

I'm guessing that all three female companions will be LIs.

 

There are only three female companions and one of them is confirmed as being a lesbian LI. Assuming for a moment that Bioware is aiming for an equal division of possibilities for each gender and orientation combo, and also assuming that the companion characters will have more content than the non-companion romances, I'd expect that Cassandra and Vivienne would be the straight and bisexual female romance options. (or vice versa)

 

If Bioware went that route, among the female companions there would then be two potential LIs for both male and female Inquisitors.

 

I don't think equality is their goal, necessarily. They wanted more in depth romances with characters who have set sexual preferences. That being said, I would love Cassandra to be bi, because then both men and women get an opportunity to romance her and everyone who is a Cass fan is happy. 

 

I would just hate to have the happiness of having a specific lesbian companion kind of ruined for me by having the companion I actually wanted unavailable to female characters. Bioware is not obligated to give me what I want though, so all we can do is wait and see.

[tmp7704]

I think you're looking for "frigid" there. If you have a fridged girlfriend/wife you may be a serial killer.

Nope, I meant it exactly like it sounds. You can find explanation here (warning: it's tvtropes link)

Re: BioWare not doing it because it's BioWare, that's a stance hard to defend when you remember Zevran, Anders and, to extent, Aveline (though that one is somewhat subverted) in DA alone, nevermind other BW made titles. People in Thedas like everywhere else lose their loved ones and generally, eventually, get over it or at least move on. Deciding to avoid that type of story "because it's a bad trope" limits the writer's toolbox and can make things as fake/silly as overly relying on the trope does.

[daveliam]

Stannis is by no means an attractive man

 

Spoiler

 

Yeah, book Stannis is not supposed to be attractive, but show Stannis is fine. 

 

I'd be a little disappointed if all four of the "main" female characters (assuming that the companions and advisors are the "main" characters for the Inquisition), outside of Leliana, were LIs.  I don't have a problem with the number, just the fact that it's literally every single one of them except for Leliana (and I suspect that she's only excluded because of the difficulty that her prior LI status would present).  It would be nice to have a female member of the team who isn't open to romance (maybe because she's already attached or because she's more focused on duty or whatever).  Meh, I'm bracing for all of the ladies to be LI's though.  Doesn't really "cost" me much since I'm not planning on romancing any of them unless Vivienne is a f/f option anyway.

[Han Shot First]

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I'd be a little disappointed if all four of the "main" female characters (assuming that the companions and advisors are the "main" characters for the Inquisition), outside of Leliana, were LIs.  I don't have a problem with the number, just the fact that it's literally every single one of them except for Leliana (and I suspect that she's only excluded because of the difficulty that her prior LI status would present). 

 

I think the problem you run into there however is that there are only three female companions. Have one not be a LI and you've now greatly reduced the number of options available to the player. Lets say one of those female companions is lesbian (Sera) and the other (Cass or Viv) is straight. Among the female companions you'd then only have one option for female Inquisitors and one for male Inquisitors. That's great of course if you like that one option and they aren't diametrically opposed to your Inquisitor. Not so much if you don't like that character or they disapprove of nearly everything your Inquisitor does.

 

Of course there are going to be non-companion romance options as well, but will they have anything near the level of content of the companion characters? 

[tmp7704]

See: Aveline.

I thought the "flirting" you could do with Aveline was one of more unpleasant things I've seen in DA to date. I mean specifically that you could keep doing it even after it's made obvious she wanted someone else, and go as far as sabotage her relationship *and* the game would mostly treat it as if nothing worth of note and/or consequences happened... ugh.

[Allan Schumacher]

and I suspect that she's only excluded because of the difficulty that her prior LI status would present

 

It's more "there's not much new to explore there" if I remember correctly.  I think David chimed in on it once but it was some time ago, but the reality is that many people already know Leliana, especially on a romantic level, so there'd be a lot of deja vu because people have already had her become open with the player on a romantic level.

[Ailith Tycane]

It's more "there's not much new to explore there" if I remember correctly.  I think David chimed in on it once but it was some time ago, but the reality is that many people already know Leliana, especially on a romantic level, so there'd be a lot of deja vu because people have already had her become open with the player on a romantic level.

 

I also imagine it would require a lot of cognitive dissonance to romance her in DAI as players who romanced her in DAO

[daveliam]

It's more "there's not much new to explore there" if I remember correctly.  I think David chimed in on it once but it was some time ago, but the reality is that many people already know Leliana, especially on a romantic level, so there'd be a lot of deja vu because people have already had her become open with the player on a romantic level.

 

That's interesting.  I never thought of that because I've only ever romanced her once but it would be odd to have romanced her as a Warden and then, with a different Warden as the "import", romance her with the Inquisitor.  You'd have to learn all about Marjolaine again, as if you didn't already do that whole thing in DA: O.

 

Of course, it might also be interesting to see if her romance would play out the same way or not.  She's different in DA: I than she was in DA: O, resulting from her experiences between the two stories.  Would her romance be similar?  What parts of her character are similar enough that they would overlap?  It's almost like two versions of the same character in that respect.

 

I'm thinking of Phantasy Star III.  It has a multi-generational story and the decisions you make in one story, effect the next generation and you have two marriage options at the end of each generation that effects who your next protagonist is (kind of like Record of Agarest War).  There is one character who is drastically different in generation 3 depending on who you marry in generation 1.  Your first character's grandson knows her either way, but she is different because of the life experiences that she is exposed to.  If you marry one woman, it leads to a storyline where this girl's kingdom was at peace her whole life so she is naive and focused on support magic.  If you marry the other woman, it leads to a storyline where this girl's kingdom was at war her whole life so she is aggressive and focused on melee.

 

It would be interesting to see if Leliana in DA: O had a different romance than Leliana in DA: I because of the experiences that she goes through.  Oh well, I guess it's not meant to be this go around.  Just an odd thought on a lazy Wednesday afternoon. 

[FraQ]

I loved Aveline's interactions (Aveline and Varric are also why I find "everyone is available for the PC" arguments to be disingenuous), though she has the "advantage" of not being available for anyone.

 

Awe. I'm saddened by your comment.

 

Of the three female companions in DA2, Aveline was the only one I liked and I was heartbroken when I realized my Hawke couldn't pursue her as a love interest. If the future of Bioware games is rejection by your favorite companion characters, than my interest in Bioware's future is diminished greatly.

 

You guys are constantly preaching that your games are all about allowing the player to tailor the experience, make the journey their own, have every decision matter; Then you take away options, disregard choices, and water down the flavor. Aveline was a widow, Hawke and her had a history that stretched back years, and though she was interested in another man, nothing had developed yet. There was no reason to make her unavailable to the PC.

 

As an aside, I recall the dialogue between Aveline and Hawke, where Hawke is trying to confess his love for her and she is clueless as to what he is getting at. It would have been perfect if they had given Hawke the option to just kiss her and see the realization dawn on her face.

 

Even more so if she recipricated.

 

Instead I believe Hawke just shrugs and says, "Nevermind..."

 

Yea that's satisfying! Not!

[tmp7704]

Aveline was a widow, Hawke and her had a history that stretched back years, and though she was interested in another man, nothing had developed yet. There was no reason to make her unavailable to the PC.

"She was interested in another" is perfectly good reason to make someone unavailable. Takes special sort of douchebag to ignore opinion of the person they're supposedly interested in, and just keep forcing themselves on.

[SurelyForth]

 

I'd be a little disappointed if all four of the "main" female characters (assuming that the companions and advisors are the "main" characters for the Inquisition), outside of Leliana, were LIs.  I don't have a problem with the number, just the fact that it's literally every single one of them except for Leliana (and I suspect that she's only excluded because of the difficulty that her prior LI status would present).  It would be nice to have a female member of the team who isn't open to romance (maybe because she's already attached or because she's more focused on duty or whatever).  Meh, I'm bracing for all of the ladies to be LI's though.  Doesn't really "cost" me much since I'm not planning on romancing any of them unless Vivienne is a f/f option anyway.

 

My thing with the female companions is this- we know Sera and Cassandra are LIs. It's a pretty good bet that Scribbles is, too. That leaves Vivienne. As much as I think it's a bad precedent to have all of the female companions be LIs, I'm wary of how BW will handle Vivienne if she's not one. Unless she has a pre-established partner, I'm afraid they'll tread on tropes that are pretty problematic when a WOC is involved and, in the end, I would rather she be a romance option than not. 

 

And that's neverminding the fact that the representation she provides is just as important as the gay/lesbian characters. Non-white characters are often stripped of all but the most platonic of needs, even in canons where they might be romantically/sexually involved with someone else, so having a character like Vivienne shrug off that trend would be huge.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

Awe. I'm saddened by your comment.

 

Of the three female companions in DA2, Aveline was the only one I liked and I was heartbroken when I realized my Hawke couldn't pursue her as a love interest. If the future of Bioware games is rejection by your favorite companion characters, than my interest in Bioware's future is diminished greatly.

 

You guys are constantly preaching that your games are all about allowing the player to tailor the experience, make the journey their own, have every decision matter; Then you take away options, disregard choices, and water down the flavor. Aveline was a widow, Hawke and her had a history that stretched back years, and though she was interested in another man, nothing had developed yet. There was no reason to make her unavailable to the PC.

 

As an aside, I recall the dialogue between Aveline and Hawke, where Hawke is trying to confess his love for her and she is clueless as to what he is getting at. It would have been perfect if they had given Hawke the option to just kiss her and see the realization dawn on her face. Maybe a relationship with a man who was there when her husband died isn't optimal for her.

 

Even more so if she recipricated.

 

Instead I believe Hawke just shrugs and says, "Nevermind..."

 

Yea that's satisfying! Not!

. . . tailoring experience isn't the same thing as making leg spreading one of the PC's character powers. Your experience was customized there- she reacted to your choices; she loved someone else

He hit on her. She seemed to not get it. When he pressed it, she did seem to get it at the last minute, however she had already chosen.

There's nothing wrong with that, other than perhaps thinking there's something wrong with it.

Also, kissing someone without consent? Kinda sexual assault, there.

[wetnasty]

Awe. I'm saddened by your comment.

 

Of the three female companions in DA2, Aveline was the only one I liked and I was heartbroken when I realized my Hawke couldn't pursue her as a love interest. If the future of Bioware games is rejection by your favorite companion characters, than my interest in Bioware's future is diminished greatly.

 

You guys are constantly preaching that your games are all about allowing the player to tailor the experience, make the journey their own, have every decision matter; Then you take away options, disregard choices, and water down the flavor. Aveline was a widow, Hawke and her had a history that stretched back years, and though she was interested in another man, nothing had developed yet. There was no reason to make her unavailable to the PC.

 

As an aside, I recall the dialogue between Aveline and Hawke, where Hawke is trying to confess his love for her and she is clueless as to what he is getting at. It would have been perfect if they had given Hawke the option to just kiss her and see the realization dawn on her face.

 

Even more so if she recipricated.

 

Instead I believe Hawke just shrugs and says, "Nevermind..."

 

Yea that's satisfying! Not!

 

 

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=male+entitlement

[azarhal]

I think the problem you run into there however is that there are only three female companions. Have one not be a LI and you've now greatly reduced the number of options available to the player. Lets say one of those female companions is lesbian (Sera) and the other (Cass or Viv) is straight. Among the female companions you'd then only have one option for female Inquisitors and one for male Inquisitors. That's great of course if you like that one option and they aren't diametrically opposed to your Inquisitor. Not so much if you don't like that character or they disapprove of nearly everything your Inquisitor does.

 

Of course there are going to be non-companion romance options as well, but will they have anything near the level of content of the companion characters? 

 

The previous DA games all had only 2 female companions that were LI and one that was unavailable. Less or more (technically DA2 had 2 unavailable, but Bethany isn't always there past the prologue or act 1).

The only difference here is that BioWare decided to put twice the number of male companions than female ones. It's not because there is so many male to pick from that all of them will be romanceable either. Also, making all the female companions LI (+ Scribbles it seems) looks more like objectifying women than offering choice to me.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=male+entitlement

#NotAllHawkes

[wetnasty]

Can you imagine the outrage if Zevran had been given the option to "just kiss the male Warden and see the realization on his face?" 

 

HEADS WOULD ROLL. 

 

THE BREEDERS WOULD HAVE GAIDER'S HEAD ON A PIKE BY THE END OF THE DAY PARADING IT AROUND EDMONTON. 

 

 

 

 

Some of y'all need to get it together....

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

Can you imagine the outrage if Zevran had been given the option to "just kiss the male Warden and see the realization on his face?" 

 

HEADS WOULD ROLL. 

 

THE BREEDERS WOULD HAVE GAIDER'S HEAD ON A PIKE BY THE END OF THE DAY PARADING IT AROUND EDMONTON. 

 

 

 

 

Some of y'all need to get it together....

I'm a male, and half a breeder. : /

Yeah, that would have been upsetting to many- yet it's apparently okay when done to someone else's character.

[Tootles FTW]

Awe. I'm saddened by your comment.

 

Of the three female companions in DA2, Aveline was the only one I liked and I was heartbroken when I realized my Hawke couldn't pursue her as a love interest. If the future of Bioware games is rejection by your favorite companion characters, than my interest in Bioware's future is diminished greatly.

 

You guys are constantly preaching that your games are all about allowing the player to tailor the experience, make the journey their own, have every decision matter; Then you take away options, disregard choices, and water down the flavor. Aveline was a widow, Hawke and her had a history that stretched back years, and though she was interested in another man, nothing had developed yet. There was no reason to make her unavailable to the PC.

 

As an aside, I recall the dialogue between Aveline and Hawke, where Hawke is trying to confess his love for her and she is clueless as to what he is getting at. It would have been perfect if they had given Hawke the option to just kiss her and see the realization dawn on her face.

 

Even more so if she recipricated.

 

Instead I believe Hawke just shrugs and says, "Nevermind..."

 

Yea that's satisfying! Not!

 

Sigh.  You can apply this argument with just about any character a particular individual takes a fancy to.  "But Orsino/Hawke made so much sense! I was pro-mage the entire game, and we totally would have bonded in Act 3 during all those fetch quests! You could even construe a few of his dialogues as innuendos or - dare I say - borderline flirts! Why was I denied?!"  

 

The core of this matter is understanding that an option wasn't "denied" or "taken" from you.  It was never an option to begin with, much like real-life.  They're just not into you.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

Sigh.  You can apply this argument with just about any character a particular individual takes a fancy to.  "But Orsino/Hawke made so much sense! I was pro-mage the entire game, and we totally would have bonded in Act 3 during all those fetch quests! You could even construe a few of his dialogues as innuendos or - dare I say - borderline flirts! Why was I denied?!"  

 

The core of this matter is understanding that an option wasn't "denied" or "taken" from you.  It was never an option to begin with, much like real-life.  They're just not into you.

HEY- The Revered Mother was totes DTF with me, if it wasn't for the stupid blight. . .

[Tootles FTW]

HEY- The Revered Mother was totes DTF with me, if it wasn't for the stupid blight. . .

 

And I don't care what you say, letting me bang Carver would have added nothing but individuality of play & gritty realism.

 

Truthfully - the line has to be drawn somewhere.  What sort of depth would one find if everyone was romanceable and their love was handed out like playing cards?  ....oh.  

[daveliam]

My thing with the female companions is this- we know Sera and Cassandra are LIs. It's a pretty good bet that Scribbles is, too. That leaves Vivienne. As much as I think it's a bad precedent to have all of the female companions be LIs, I'm wary of how BW will handle Vivienne if she's not one. Unless she has a pre-established partner, I'm afraid they'll tread on tropes that are pretty problematic when a WOC is involved and, in the end, I would rather she be a romance option than not. 

 

And that's neverminding the fact that the representation she provides is just as important as the gay/lesbian characters. Non-white characters are often stripped of all but the most platonic of needs, even in canons where they might be romantically/sexually involved with someone else, so having a character like Vivienne shrug off that trend would be huge.

 

This is a really good point.  The only female character that I even am interested in is Vivienne, so yeah, I kind of want her to be an LI.  I didn't actually think about the fact that the other two female companions are already confirmed and, with Cullen as an NPC LI, it's likely that Scribe Girl will be one too.  So I guess that would put Vivienne on the bubble. 

 

I also like to see racial diversity in the human LI's.  I have to say that Bioware does a better job of that than most considering that in the ME and DA series, we have:

 

PoC - Kaidan, Jacob, Steve, Traynor, and Isabela

non-PoC - Ashley, Miranda, Jack, Kelly, Alistair, Morrigan, Leliana, and Anders

 

So while it's definitely skewed in favor of non-PoC's, it's not nearly as skewed as most media (I just found a statistic from a USC study that suggests that in 2012, only 24% of speaking roles in film and television were PoC).  Clearly, the DA team has a bit of work to do around this, though.