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Wait, what races are Kaidan and Traynor? News to me that Traynor was even being considered as a WoC...
Well, as the name Kaidan Alenko implies he is at least partly of Asian descent, even if his family does live in Canada.
Samantha Traynor is Indian.
Go back and quote the part where I said my love of Bioware games is based on them letting me sexually harass someone. I said my interest would diminish if they give the love interests sexual orientations, because it limits the options I have to tell the story that I want to tell.
Which is important because as Bioware likes to preach, "This is your story."
In DA2, My Hawke saved a city and fell in love with a woman named Aveline. She never understood his feelings for her and Hawke never told her how he felt. So my Hawke ended up alone in the end. That is not the story I wanted to tell. It made me sad. That's all I was saying and there is nothing wrong with saying it.
Yes, I said the word Kiss. I'm sorry that offends you. I clearly didn't mean it in a "forcefully shoving my bone in her" way, I've been trying to clear that up for 3 posts now but something inside you feels the need to take it that way and berate me to no end.
I've been nothing but civil with you and yet you continue to treat me like an Idiot. Then tell me you aren't calling me names, while simultaneously calling me Daft.
Real nice.
The only time I used Double standard was in regards to how most of humanity would react to a man kissing another man without consent in comparison to a woman kissing a man without consent.
http://en.wikipedia....Double_standard
Yup, checks out.
It's not your story. If it was, you could playthrough as a Dwarven mage seeking to free Australia from Demon nugs. Your choices matter- that doesn't mean those choices dictate every nuance of the story, or that you get every choice you feel you should.
Well, as the name Kaidan Alenko implies he is at least partly of Asian descent, even if his family does live in Canada.
Samantha Traynor is Indian.
I think Traynor might be of mixed ancestry as well.
Or at least that was my impression, since she has a very English name.
I think Traynor might be of mixed ancestry as well.
Or at least that was my impression, since she has a very English name.
Most likely. She is the same as the British Indians essentially.
FraQ - I understand being bummed about wanting to experience a certain romance and then not having that vision come to fruition, but the fault is on your expectations versus Bioware (where you seem to be implying blame of some sort).
I sense a mod-sighting is imminent if we don't steer away from this topic at this point.
And why should anyone care? Not trying to be rude, but really, not everyone is sexually or romantically available to the player, just like real life.
I never asked anyone to care. I simply said that it lessened my interest in Bioware Games.
I don't play video games to experience real life. I play them to escape real life.
I get plenty of real life everyday from sun up to sun down but for a few hours every night I get to go to other worlds and do things that you cannot do in real life.
There is nothing wrong with that!
If Bioware changed the game to Hawke sitting in a cubicle for 8 hours a day working on paperwork and running to the printer, it would cause the same disinterest toward their future projects.
I can't throw on a bunch of plate mail and stop the darkspawn invasion in real life either.
It's not your story. If it was, you could playthrough as a Dwarven mage seeking to free Australia from Demon nugs. Your choices matter- that doesn't mean those choices dictate every nuance of the story, or that you get every choice you feel you should.
Which is the entire point of what I was saying. It's why alot of people hated DA2 and the Mass Effect endings. The story stopped being ours and started being theirs. Yet they kept shouting that it was our story, that we were the authors, that our decisions mattered.
Well, as the name Kaidan Alenko implies he is at least partly of Asian descent, even if his family does live in Canada.
Samantha Traynor is Indian.
But 'Alenko' is Slavic? Unless 'Kaidan' is Asian?
But yes, he is definitely a PoC, as is Traynor.
But 'Alenko' is Slavic? Unless 'Kaidan' is Asian?
But yes, he is definitely a PoC, as is Traynor.
Kaidan is of Japanese descent. Alenko is Ukrainian.
FraQ - I understand being bummed about wanting to experience a certain romance and then not having that vision come to fruition, but the fault is on your expectations versus Bioware (where you seem to be implying blame of some sort).
I sense a mod-sighting is imminent if we don't steer away from this topic at this point.
Well technically if we take away the name calling and accusations of sexual assault on fiction characters that when broken down turn into lines of code and branching dialogue trees, we are still talking about Companion's and their Sexual orientations.
I'm more then happy to stop arguing. Believe me!
Which is the entire point of what I was saying. It's why alot of people hated DA2 and the Mass Effect endings. The story stopped being ours and started being theirs. Yet they kept shouting that it was our story, that we were the authors, that our decisions mattered.
Our decisions do matter- you're the one saying Bioware can't tell the parts of the story they want to tell.
Kaidan is of Japanese descent. Alenko is Ukrainian.
It is? Still, I would have thought in this particular instance it would have been just another example of the -ayden/-aiden/-aidan thing with names e.g. Jayden, Brayden, Hayden.
EDIT: And having a name traditionally associated with another culture does not necessarily mean you are descended from that culture.
Quick word on POCs in DA: Rivaini people are black/brown, meaning both Isabela and Duncan were POC. It's part of why I want to go to Rivain so badly, not to mention how awesomely they treat mages compared to everywhere else.
As for lady LIs, BioWare wouldn't have this problem if the numbers were more even. Six men and three women? Just... why?
Thirdly, just... don't kiss anyone without their consent, ever. Confess to Aveline, sure, but don't just kiss her.
Fourth, Vivienne better be an LI, or I'll be mad. In an abstract way, it'd be even better if she was the bi LI (yay QWOCs), but I reeeeaalllly want to romance Cass as a female qunari.
It is? Still, I would have thought in this particular instance it would have been just another example of the -ayden/-aiden/-aidan thing with names e.g. Jayden, Brayden, Hayden.
EDIT: And having a name traditionally associated with another culture does not necessarily mean you are descended from that culture.
Kaidan's not a Japanese name, or at least, not a personal name.
Our decisions do matter- you're the one saying Bioware can't tell the parts of the story they want to tell.
They give us a lot of room to customize, but sometimes it's easy to forget that it is their story we play, That, for all the freedom we get over choices, there is still the limitation of being within their story. It's a trade off that every gamer learns to deal with. If one doesn't like it, then they probably shouldn't buy the games nor be on the official forums.
Besides, I thought that's why a lot of gamers like BioWare games. To see the branching paths of BioWare's story, and giving us the choice to tailor our experiences. If one wants to create the ultimate game were every single little choice mattered, and every single play-through that's different, and the player gets every little thing they want, then go for it. That would take a very large budget to do, and one would find that it isn't as easy as it sounds.
Even the most "open-world" games, like Skyrim, are going to have boundaries and limitations that are inherent to the story.
Rather than worry about that, or worry about a companion I couldn't romance from over 2 years ago, I'd rather wonder if Solas is going to treat Sera like a younger sister, or find her too hectic. I also wonder if the gay romances are race gated. DG did say that not all of them were, and I think it would be a poor idea to make, say, Sera locked out for any Qunari and dwarf lesbian PC or Dorian (if my theory works out and he is gay) to be locked out of other races as well. Especially if those are the representations for gay and lesbian players.
Quick word on POCs in DA: Rivaini people are black/brown, meaning both Isabela and Duncan were POC. It's part of why I want to go to Rivain so badly, not to mention how awesomely they treat mages compared to everywhere else.
As for lady LIs, BioWare wouldn't have this problem if the numbers were more even. Six men and three women? Just... why?
Thirdly, just... don't kiss anyone without their consent, ever. Confess to Aveline, sure, but don't just kiss her.
Fourth, Vivienne better be an LI, or I'll be mad. In an abstract way, it'd be even better if she was the bi LI (yay QWOCs), but I reeeeaalllly want to romance Cass as a female qunari.
Also, kissing Aveline without warning seems like a really good way to lose some teeth. Just saying.
And since Sera is confirmed as lesbian only, that means Vivienne and Cassandra will probably either be bi or straight, so "no one feels left out."
Or they could just make them both bi and everyone would be happy, but I somehow don't see that happening.
Of the three female companions in DA2, Aveline was the only one I liked and I was heartbroken when I realized my Hawke couldn't pursue her as a love interest. If the future of Bioware games is rejection by your favorite companion characters, than my interest in Bioware's future is diminished greatly.
There will always be people that are unable to romance their favourite companions, unless we make all companions romanceable (unlikely).
You guys are constantly preaching that your games are all about allowing the player to tailor the experience, make the journey their own, have every decision matter; Then you take away options, disregard choices, and water down the flavor. Aveline was a widow, Hawke and her had a history that stretched back years, and though she was interested in another man, nothing had developed yet. There was no reason to make her unavailable to the PC.
I don't feel that there's any reason that any character has to be a love interest either. If you feel that this is us "taking away options" (DAO has has many love interestes as DA2, though DA2 has more choice among those options), then unfortunately I disagree. In this case, any option we don't give can be construed as an option being taken away.
Also, when we say we like to give choice, it doesn't mean "you can do anything that you want in the game and have it work out just the way you want." With respect to romances, this is reflective that none of our games have allowed you to romance any of the companion characters. You can influence the journey, but you can't decide to say "I'm out" and leave Ferelden for Orlais and never come back for DAO (short of turning off the game and pretending you do that).
Also, kissing Aveline without warning seems like a really good way to lose some teeth. Just saying.
And since Sera is confirmed as lesbian only, that means Vivienne and Cassandra will probably either be bi or straight, so "no one feels left out."
Or they could just make them both bi and everyone would be happy, but I somehow don't see that happening.
I miss playersexuality already.
I miss playersexuality already.
I do too, but I understand why they didn't want to do it. Just means I will probably be dissapointed, but that's okay.
There will always be people that are unable to romance their favourite companions, unless we make all companions romanceable (unlikely).
I don't feel that there's any reason that any character has to be a love interest either. If you feel that this is us "taking away options" (DAO has has many love interestes as DA2, though DA2 has more choice among those options).
Also, when we say we like to give choice, it doesn't mean "you can do anything that you want in the game and have it work out just the way you want." With respect to romances, this is reflective that none of our games have allowed you to romance any of the companion characters. You can influence the journey, but you can't decide to say "I'm out" and leave Ferelden for Orlais and never come back for DAO (short of turning off the game and pretending you do that).
"I'm out." Thus begins the sociopathic adventures of Beron, the incompetent Warden and company. For that adventure, my party is Isabella, Sandal, Carrol, the "Freezy Chair" mage from the circle, Godwin, and Tug the dwarf.
It's a Japanese word but yeah, it's not used as a name by the looks of it (though it can be a surname, going by what the dictionary you linked says?)Kaidan's not a Japanese name, or at least, not a personal name.
I miss playersexuality already.
Me too.
Now we are stuck with the SSSARGS. 
Me too.
Now we are stuck with the SSSARGS.
Isn't that what pirates with lisps say?
Me too.
Now we are stuck with the SSSARGS.
Okay, you made me Google that and everything, you should feel bad about yourself, you bad person. And I still don't know what it means! 
EDIT - Stupid Set Sexualities And Race Gating System. Google, you DO come through!!
I personally don't like playersexuality and I'm glad to see it gone from this game at least. To me the romances in DA2 don't come off as bisexual so much as it seeming like everyone's attracted to Hawke due to his magical player character status.
That's just me though. I understand wanting options to be available to everyone, but to me losing some freedom is worth it in the hopes of tighter characterization.
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