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Also I don't blame them for being nervous, seeing as so many people got so upset.
Well I can understand why some one would be upset that a character is available for one gender only, but I don't think the complaints of people who don't like bisexual love interests is worth caring about much.
Even Sera's sexuality wasn't supposed to be known this early before release. For some reason marketing seems nervous about revealing gay romances ahead of time.
No surprise there.
There's no need for anyone to get aggressive. This kind of discussion is really only going to be constructive if people keep civil.
Having a character with well defined characteristics on its own doesn't provide depth? Do you play RPGs primarily for gameplay, story, or character?
I never said anything of the sort. Being bisexual is the same scope as being straight in terms of a defining characteristic. BOTH are sexualities and afford the same 'depth' in terms of it being a character trait. That is the point of my using Garrus as an example in the context of the discussion subject. Garrus being straight, Garrus being bi, he'd still be a badarse Turian with a good heart. Him being straight did not bring up any earth-shattering and deep gender-specific content that would break if the PC were a dude. Meaning, there is no guarantee set sexualities in Inquisition are going to afford any "more depth" than they have in the past.
What you want in a relationship is not necessary what I want or do in a relationship as a bi person, so I would appreciate for my point of view to be represented. If you think your relationship with male and female is the same then good for you, but it's not the same as what other bi people going through. Your personal value may see it as damaging, but for me, it's about recognizing the differences in bi relationship that happen in real life everyday. I love me some crusade against heteronormative point of view, but this is about how I and many people see a bi relationship. I don't think it's fair for you or anyone to dictate how Bioware should portray it.
I'm confused here - what exactly do you want from BioWare? If Cassandra is bi, do you want her to act more feminine if she's with a man vs. with a woman? Do you want the same to apply to Iron Bull? How would you even implement that without pushing the whole "one person is submissive, one person is dominant" idea onto people who are trying to get away from those harmful stereotypes?
Well I can understand why some one would be upset that a character is available for one gender only, but I don't think the complaints of people who don't like bisexual love interests is worth caring about much.
I agree, but there is a difference between being upset and then comments like this.
The only way sexuality afford a character "depth" is if people are oppressed (or not) for it. Privilege, or the lack of it, affects worldviews. However, in a world where there is no sexuality-based oppression, the argument that sexuality has anything to do with anything makes no sense.
As I said before, I do like that Anders only felt comfortable talking about Karl with a male Hawke. It was a small thing that allowed us a glimpse into complex, bigger picture systems in place.
I agree, but there is a difference between being upset and then comments like this.
Oh god, the DA wiki is awful with that crap. I'm so glad I stopped posting there.
I'm confused here - what exactly do you want from BioWare? If Cassandra is bi, do you want her to act more feminine if she's with a man vs. with a woman? Do you want the same to apply to Iron Bull? How would you even implement that without pushing the whole "one person is submissive, one person is dominant" idea onto people who are trying to get away from those harmful stereotypes?
They're still the same on the outside, but the way they respond act around their LI, should be different. Maybe not necessarily for everyone, but the subtle dynamics represented by their response would be a bit ideal. It would make them a bit more different. For example, if Cullen is bi. He may see male as a supportive pillar while a female as wanting to protect, but another bi character may see both male and female as equal partner. It would add to the character's personality. It's not that how every character would act, but that specific character acts maybe due to their sense of chivalry or just how they were raised. I can see that from a bi Southern guy I know and the way he treated his dates. It's just how he was raised.
They're still the same on the outside, but the way they respond act around their LI, should be different. Maybe not necessarily for everyone, but the subtle dynamics represented by their response would be a bit ideal. It would make them a bit more different. For example, if Cullen is bi. He may see male as a supportive pillar while a female as wanting to protect, but another bi character may see both male and female as equal partner. It would add to the character's personality. It's not that how every character would act, but that specific character acts maybe due to their sense of chivalry or just how they were raised. I can see that from a bi Southern guy I know and the way he treated his dates. It's just how he was raised.
Yeah, that's not going to happen.
Just based on previous Bioware games I can tell you that wont happen.
Options for straight males: 2(1 companion, 1 NPC)
Options for straight females: 4(3 companions, 1 NPC)
Options for gay males: 3(3 companions, 0 NPCs)
Options for gay females: 3(2 companions, 1 NPC)
Not fair for all parties, thus disapprove.
So, DAO never happened?
I agree, but there is a difference between being upset and then comments like this.
Such hatred and ignorance is staggering.
The only way sexuality afford a character "depth" is if people are oppressed (or not) for it. Privilege, or the lack of it, affects worldviews. However, in a world where there is no sexuality-based oppression, the argument that sexuality has anything to do with anything makes no sense.
As I said before, I do like that Anders only felt comfortable talking about Karl with a male Hawke. It was a small thing that allowed us a glimpse into complex, bigger picture systems in place.
I simply do not buy that for a minute. Sexuality is completely capable of informing your worldview regardless of how that sexuality affects your social status. Privilege and lack of privilege are not the only things that affect worldviews.
A man who is solely interested in men might interact or view other men differently than a man who isn't exclusive to either gender. There's nothing inherently negative or unseemly in that fact. It's only a negative thing if those interactions of opinions are negative or damaging.
So, DAO never happened?
I have never approved of DAO giving gay players the short end of the stick. After DA2 giving equal opportunities, I'd like DAI to at least try to emulate that and not take even more steps back.
For example, if Cullen is bi. He may see male as a supportive pillar while a female as wanting to protect
Oh god, that would turn me off from Cullen even more than I already am.
DA2 demonstrates that sexism isn't as big of a factor in Thedas as it is in the real world. It doesn't make sense for people to treat different genders differently, if DAI continues the trend.
Yeah, that's not going to happen.
Just based on previous Bioware games I can tell you that wont happen.
Maybe not this game, but I'll try to bring it up often until one of the developers read it. Whether they add it in is up to them of course.
It's not that uncommon to see the same kind of thing on these forums as well, like people claiming that Vivienne choosing to be bisexual makes sense because she's Orlesian. There's a lack of understanding about gender and orientation in general.
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Well I can understand why some one would be upset that a character is available for one gender only, but I don't think the complaints of people who don't like bisexual love interests is worth caring about much.
Only my opinion matters.
I don't quite understand what are you doing on a discussion forum.
I think we've had a disconnect. If that's the case, then its a worthy concern- they need to build actual story to compensate for the gates.
Anyone who implies someone chose their sexual orientation probably has a fundamental lack of understanding there, yes.
It's also important to note that if we mandate that every piece of content must be maximally fair to everyone involved, it means adding less choices too.
For example, if we look to add some content, but feel that only a subset of people will be able to enjoy it, if we mandate that we need to fully equal for every aspect of the game, the only option is to either ensure it's fair and equal, or to cut it.
If the ability to make it fair and equal (which might be subjective, depending on the context) isn't there, the only option is to not add the content.
You could also say, that by trying to maximize the content of the game and thereby adding more and more choices, you risk that only subsets or only one subset will be able to enjoy the content. Mass Effect 2 and The Old Republic might be two good examples.
I realize, this is not the case with Dragon Age: Inquisition, but several players will inevitabely feel dissapointed because certain companions will only be romanceable for a certain gender and/or race. I also realize that Bioware can't satisfy every player, but it is my believe that by sharing content fairly and equaly you would satisfy the most of them.
However, I don't think, that there is a perfect solution for this. So in the end, I am just grateful that you decided to offer multiple companions for the LGBT player, especially because not many developers bother to do so.
Only my opinion matters.
I don't quite understand what are you doing on a discussion forum.
Do you have some actual valid complaints for why a bisexual companion would be a bad thing?
I simply do not buy that for a minute. Sexuality is completely capable of informing your worldview regardless of how that sexuality affects your social status. Privilege and lack of privilege are not the only things that affect worldviews.
A man who is solely interested in men might interact or view other men differently than a man who isn't exclusive to either gender. There's nothing inherently negative or unseemly in that fact. It's only a negative thing if those interactions of opinions are negative or damaging.
What's the difference between a straight man and a gay man besides one being oppressed, and the other not? Being attracted to a certain type of person isn't a personality trait.
(also, the nb erasure throughout this entire conversation is really depressing)
However, in a world where there is no sexuality-based oppression, the argument that sexuality has anything to do with anything makes no sense.
Precisely.
I agree, but there is a difference between being upset and then comments like this.
That is awful... and on so many levels.
Yeah, that's not going to happen.
Just based on previous Bioware games I can tell you that wont happen.
This is also the factor in my comments. Based on previous BioWare games and how they handle bi genderpaths and how they speak about animation/resources/zots.
Well I can understand why some one would be upset that a character is available for one gender only, but I don't think the complaints of people who don't like bisexual love interests is worth caring about much.
There are many valid reasons not to like an all-bisexual-squad.
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