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#851
Samahl

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It's not that uncommon to see the same kind of thing on these forums as well, like people claiming that Vivienne choosing to be bisexual makes sense because she's Orlesian. There's a lack of understanding about gender and orientation in general.


"choosing"
smh



#852
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I have never approved of DAO giving gay players the short end of the stick. After DA2 giving equal opportunities, I'd like DAI to at least try to emulate that and not take even more steps back. 

The group that has previously gotten the lion's share being upset at the mere prospect of not receiving the lion's share is a sore spot for many- we don't even know the balance yet.



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Do you have some actual valid complaints for why a bisexual companion would be a bad thing?


Because bisexual people are unrealistic?



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Ailith Tycane

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Because bisexual people are unrealistic?

 

Oh ****, I wish someone would have told me I'm unrealistic, I can move to Narnia now and not feel guilty...


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There are many valid reasons not to like an all-bisexual-squad.

The vast majority of reasons I've seen are that it's not "realistic," which seems like a petty complaint when there are dragons.


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Oh god, that would turn me off from Cullen even more than I already am.

DA2 demonstrates that sexism isn't as big of a factor in Thedas as it is in the real world. It doesn't make sense for people to treat different genders differently, if DAI continues the trend.

I feel it adds individuality to the characters. Not every character should tailor to be swoon over after all. We know male and female can hold equally high position, but we don't really know how mannerism in Thedas is or whether the males would treat females the same way as other males.



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The group that has previously gotten the lion's share being upset at the mere prospect of not receiving the lion's share is a sore spot for many- we don't even know the balance yet.

I don't fully get where you are going with this? I get the whole "straight people who usually got more options are upset because a character they wanted is unavailable" part of your implication, but not the rest. 



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Even Sera's sexuality wasn't supposed to be known this early before release. For some reason marketing seems nervous about revealing gay romances ahead of time.

 

I'm actually against revealing them in any capacity.  But I'm not in marketing.

 

It should be noted that for all of our nervousness about revealing gay romances (which I wouldn't deny.  There's trepidation with trying new things), Sera is the only person who's sexuality has been confirmed.


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There are many valid reasons not to like an all-bisexual-squad.

Such as...?



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There are many valid reasons not to like an all-bisexual-squad.

 

Such as?  



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What's the difference between a straight man and a gay man besides one being oppressed, and the other not? Being attracted to a certain type of person isn't a personality trait.

(also, the nb erasure throughout this entire conversation is really depressing)

 

The first and most obvious difference is who they're attracted to.  As to how that difference might influence interaction or romance, that comes down to the character's personality.  Like it or not, a gay man may be more willing to forego traditional gender roles than a bisexual man.  I'm not opposed to this because I don't see it as necessarily damaging or unfair, but from my understanding you would not approve.  That's fine, but I think it's a possibility, regardless of whether or not homosexuals are stigmatized.  

 
(I don't know what the parentheses stuff means)


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I feel it adds individuality to the characters. Not every character should tailor to be swoon over after all. We know male and female can hold equally high position, but we don't really know how mannerism in Thedas is or whether the males would treat females the same way as other males.


What you're asking is for sexism. Specifically, you're asking for LIs to be sexist. I don't know why you consider that to be a desirable outcome.


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I'm actually against revealing them in any capacity.  But I'm not in marketing.

 

It should be noted that for all of our nervousness about revealing gay romances (which I wouldn't deny.  There's trepidation with trying new things), Sera is the only person who's sexuality has been confirmed.

 

Just go get the chart and show me Allan, I promise I'll keep it to myself ;)



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Awe. I'm saddened by your comment.

 

Of the three female companions in DA2, Aveline was the only one I liked and I was heartbroken when I realized my Hawke couldn't pursue her as a love interest. If the future of Bioware games is rejection by your favorite companion characters, than my interest in Bioware's future is diminished greatly.

 

You guys are constantly preaching that your games are all about allowing the player to tailor the experience, make the journey their own, have every decision matter; Then you take away options, disregard choices, and water down the flavor. Aveline was a widow, Hawke and her had a history that stretched back years, and though she was interested in another man, nothing had developed yet. There was no reason to make her unavailable to the PC.

 

As an aside, I recall the dialogue between Aveline and Hawke, where Hawke is trying to confess his love for her and she is clueless as to what he is getting at. It would have been perfect if they had given Hawke the option to just kiss her and see the realization dawn on her face.

 

Even more so if she recipricated.

 

Instead I believe Hawke just shrugs and says, "Nevermind..."

 

Yea that's satisfying! Not!

 

Aveline didn't feel that way about Hawke. She was never going to feel that way about Hawke. I also have the distinct feeling that kissing Aveline when she didn't want to get kissed would have resulted in bad case of crushed-face.



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The first and most obvious difference is who they're attracted to.  As to how that difference might influence interaction or romance, that comes down to the character's personality.  Like it or not, a gay man may be more willing to forego traditional gender roles than a bisexual man.  I'm not opposed to this because I don't see it as necessarily damaging or unfair, but from my understanding you would not approve.  That's fine, but I think it's a possibility, regardless of whether or not homosexuals are stigmatized.  

 
(I don't know what the parentheses stuff means)


If sexuality and gender-based oppression are not present, then the bolded is irrelevant, and inaccurate anyway. Bi men are not "more straight" than gay men.

(nb stands for non-binary. there are more genders than just male and female.)



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I don't fully get where you are going with this? I get the whole "straight people who usually got more options are upset because a character they wanted is unavailable" part of your implication, but not the rest. 

We don't even know for sure there *is* an imbalance, and people are already complaining about a theoretical one.


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There are many valid reasons not to like an all-bisexual-squad.

 

Surely they are as valid as the reasons to not like an all hetero-squad.  :rolleyes:


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Do you have some actual valid complaints for why a bisexual companion would be a bad thing?

 

Having a bisexual companion is fine, destroying all of them just to check boxes like in DA2 is not.



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We don't even know for sure there *is* an imbalance, and people are already complaining about a theoretical one.


To straight dudes, one unavailable female LI is already too unbalanced.


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What you're asking is for sexism. Specifically, you're asking for LIs to be sexist. I don't know why you consider that to be a desirable outcome.

More like I like some idea of hetereonormative. I like it when the male pulls out the chair for females, open door. I guess most females are sexist then for allowing it to happen to them on dates. 



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We don't even know for sure there *is* an imbalance, and people are already complaining about a theoretical one.

They are just venting their fears. I've seen  few people think the LGBT group will get less options as well, though that died down after Sera's announcement. 



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They're too greedy and you can't trust them because they have twice as many people on cheat on you with.

This part is satire, right? Someone tell me this part is satire.



#873
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This part is satire, right? Someone tell me this part is satire.

 

This person is a troll, it's probably best to ignore them.


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#874
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Sexually ambiguous LIs > all other options. 


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More like I like some idea of hetereonormative. I like it when the male pulls out the chair for females, open door. I guess most females are sexist then for allowing it to happen to them on dates. 


...Wow. Okay. I mean, I don't see the problem with a lady pulling out a chair for a dude, or for a dude to open a door for another dude, but I guess you're married to the idea of preserving gender roles.

You can enjoy those things in real life without pushing them onto people in fantasy worlds, people who are tired of that and want to be treated as equals for once.


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