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[Allan Schumacher]

You could also say, that by trying to maximize the content of the game and thereby adding more and more choices, you risk that only subsets or only one subset will be able to enjoy the content. Mass Effect 2 and The Old Republic might be two good examples.

 

I realize, this is not the case with Dragon Age: Inquisition, but several players will inevitabely feel dissapointed because certain companions will only be romanceable for a certain gender and/or race. I also realize that Bioware can't satisfy every player, but it is my believe that by sharing content fairly and equaly you would satisfy the most of them.

 

However, I don't think, that there is a perfect solution for this. So in the end, I am just grateful that you decided to offer multiple companions for the LGBT player, especially because not many developers bother to do so.

 

I don't believe it would satisfy most of them.  Especially on a topic like this.  If we were to ensure all bisexuals, it'd reduce the number of characters that have romances.  This means that the opportunity cost is paid by people who would have preferred to romance those characters.  I think that those that prefer a particular solution have a belief that it'll satisfy more people because it gives validation that it's a good idea.  But the reality is that no real science has been done to truly know.

 

There were fights on the DA2 forums because Varric wasn't romanceable.

 

You're right that a game like TOR or ME2 had issues.  BioWare is hardly perfect with regards to this type of content.  A lot of it is simply trying things and seeing how well it works.

[Phoe77]

If sexuality and gender-based oppression are not present, then the bolded is irrelevant, and inaccurate anyway. Bi men are not "more straight" than gay men.

(nb stands for non-binary. there are more genders than just male and female.)

 

If straight relationships are more common or if the person in question has been in more straight relationships than homosexual ones then it stands to reason that they'd gravitate to the role that is more familiar to them, regardless of social inequality.  

[Deviija]

Having a bisexual companion is fine, destroying all of them just to check boxes like in DA2 is not.

 

How do you mean by "destroyed?"  

[Hellion Rex]

Having a bisexual companion is fine, destroying all of them just to check boxes like in DA2 is not.

I'm still wondering how DA2 "destroyed" bisexuals.

[Who Knows]

I don't believe it would satisfy most of them.  Especially on a topic like this.  If we were to ensure all bisexuals, it'd reduce the number of characters that have romances.  This means that the opportunity cost is paid by people who would have preferred to romance those characters.

 

There were fights on the DA2 forums because Varric wasn't romanceable.

 

You're right that a game like TOR or ME2 had issues.  BioWare is hardly perfect with regards to this type of content.  A lot of it is simply trying things and seeing how well it works.

I have a hard time believing that it's more costly to have one bisexual romance than to make two straight or gay romances. The opposite sex and same sex versions of DA2's romances weren't vastly different from each other.

[Samahl]

If straight relationships are more common or if the person in question has been in more straight relationships than homosexual ones then it stands to reason that they'd gravitate to the role that is more familiar to them, regardless of social inequality.  

Except that strict, male/female, dominant/submissive dichotomy doesn't even exist in all straight relationships. Again, without gender roles, your premise is meaningless.

[Battlebloodmage]

...Wow. Okay. I mean, I don't see the problem with a lady pulling out a chair for a dude, or for a dude to open a door for another dude, but I guess you're married to the idea of preserving gender roles.

You can enjoy those things in real life without pushing them onto people in fantasy worlds, people who are tired of that and want to be treated as equals for once.

Just curious, do you pay for your dates with a guy intentionally most of the time?

[Samahl]

I'm still wondering how DA2 "destroyed" bisexuals.

It validated me, personally. I was having a hard time identifying as bi when I first played it, but surrounding myself with positive examples of bisexuality helped me come to terms with it.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

I'm still wondering how DA2 "destroyed" bisexuals.

I don't remember being destroyed, but alot can happen when you're drunk.

 

[Samahl]

Just curious, do you pay for your dates with a guy intentionally most of the time?

Hey, check out my signature: bigender (male and female)

I'm not just female. It's impossible for me to do what you do.

[Hellion Rex]

I don't remember being destroyed, but alot can happen when you're drunk.

Well, Fenris did kinda destroy me.

 

*wink, wink, nudge, nudge.*

[Phoe77]

I don't remember saying there should be no gender roles.  I do remember saying that there doesn't have to be inequality or discrimination based on those gender roles.  

There's been a lot going on though so maybe I forgot something I said or I worded it poorly.  

 

Much of my argument rests on the premise that gender roles are not inherently damaging when the people adhering to them are not being forced to do so.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

Well, Fenris did kinda destroy me.

 

*wink, wink, nudge, nudge.*

/insert fisting joke here,

"The Lyrium lets you phase into. . . anything?"

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

Well, Fenris did kinda destroy me.

 

*wink, wink, nudge, nudge.*

NO

[Battlebloodmage]

Hey, check out my signature: bigender (male and female)

I'm not just female. It's impossible for me to do what you do.

When you date a guy though. It's not like you go on a date with both gender at the same time. I ask you a very simple question. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Just curious, do you pay for your dates with a guy intentionally most of the time?

I have never been on a date, but if me and a friend went out somewhere I would offer to pay regardless of the friend's gender. 

[Samahl]

I don't remember saying there should be no gender roles.  I do remember saying that there doesn't have to be inequality or discrimination based on those gender roles.  

There's been a lot going on though so maybe I forgot something I said or I worded it poorly.  

 

Much of my argument rests on the premise that gender roles are not inherently damaging when the people adhering to them are not being forced to do so.

Gender roles are, in fact, damaging. Gender roles are what kept women out of the workforce and the military. Gender roles are what are holding back young women today from being programmers and scientists. Gender roles are what keep men from expressing themselves emotionally. They're what make men think they're entitled to women's bodies. They're why men and women are punished for stepping out of them.

If you don't think those are inherently harmful, then I don't know what else to say.

[Allan Schumacher]

I feel it adds individuality to the characters. Not every character should tailor to be swoon over after all. We know male and female can hold equally high position, but we don't really know how mannerism in Thedas is or whether the males would treat females the same way as other males.

 

By extension, learning that they aren't treated differently would be a way for us to know, wouldn't it?

[Deviija]

 

NO

 

 

[Ailith Tycane]

Just curious, do you pay for your dates with a guy intentionally most of the time?

 

I pay for my own meal regardless of whether I'm going on a date with a man or a woman. 

[Samahl]

When you date a guy though. It's not like you go on a date with both gender at the same time. I ask you a very simple question. 

I've never dated a guy in real life before. Even then, I don't have a job, so I wouldn't even have the money to go out anywhere unless my parents funded it.

I have dated a girl irl before, but we both did nice things for each other because they were nice, not because either of us thought we had to fulfill a role.

[Allan Schumacher]

I have a hard time believing that it's more costly to have one bisexual romance than to make two straight or gay romances. The opposite sex and same sex versions of DA2's romances weren't vastly different from each other.

 

Unfortunately I don't believe there's a valid way to convince you if you've already determined that this is the case.  It's unfortunate that you think I'm lying about it, but c'est la vie.

[Hellion Rex]

Dead serious. Adam and eve not Adam Helen Steve and Eve

O_____O

[Deviija]

Just curious, do you pay for your dates with a guy intentionally most of the time?

 

I always paid for my own meals, too, regardless of whether I was on a date with a dude or a lady.