It's a subjective mark, but I do think that Miranda arguably works out best of all the LI's for male Shepard. Tonally and narratively.
She's easily the best of the human LI's, and the only one who could challenge Liara. Liara fits FemShep a lot more.
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I like Jack, but at the same time, I know she only fits a niche. I'd never say she was the best. Same with Ash, Miranda, and Tali. You have to enjoy their particular place in the story and align with them somehow, to make any of it work. Their romances are very conditional, and at risk of death if you stop caring about the details.
One thing I dislike about Liara is that she's geared to respond positively to everything you do. The romance seems cool when you actually like her and you're nice, but you don't have to be that way. And it makes her look weird.
Liara fits FemShep a lot more.
Why?
Potential Best: Kasumi (if they'd allowed it)
Actual Best: Miranda
Your mileage may vary.
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Rocky Road is objectively the best ice cream.
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Why?
Potential Best: Kasumi (if they'd allowed it)
Actual Best: Miranda
Your mileage may vary.
Kasumi isn't interesting at all. I don't get the appeal she has at all.
In this case, I don't think there's a particular case of someone wanting a subjective reaction.
I'm trying to make a statement here from as close to a factual position as is possible here.
For Male Shepard, Miranda is likely the actual best LI. The one that fits the idea of what Male Shepard is, going by what BW viewed him as.
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Kasumi isn't interesting at all. I don't get the appeal she has at all.
In this case, I don't think there's a particular case of someone wanting a subjective reaction.
I'm trying to make a statement here from as close to a factual position as is possible here.
For Male Shepard, Miranda is likely the actual best LI. The one that fits the idea of what Male Shepard is, going by what BW viewed him as.
The BW Shep is a Cerberus labrat, who grew up on the streets in petty gangs, without much formal education. Miranda blends well with classier Sheps, I think. And ones without the Cerberus baggage. I also think she blends best with someone who might sympathize with her parental/family issues more... just like Ash and Liara are defined by a lot of dialogue dealing with family.
Kasumi isn't interesting at all. I don't get the appeal she has at all.
So much for omniscience. Not only do you not get it but your opinion is flat out wrong. 
But that's not what I asked. I asked why you think Liara is better for FemShep.
The BW Shep is a Cerberus labrat, who grew up on the streets in petty gangs, without much formal education.
What?
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What?
Earthborn/Sole Survivor, I mean. Akuze and a former street thug. Miranda herself is the one who points out the lack of education. It still works, but I think this Shep has a case of Stolkholm Syndrome if he likes Cerberus that much.
Earthborn/Sole Survivor, I mean. Akuze and a former street thug. Miranda herself is the one who points out the lack of education. It still works, but I think this Shep has a case of Stolkholm Syndrome if he likes Cerberus that much.
No, I'm aware of that, but what is "BW Shepard"? Bioware doesn't have their own version of canon for ME like they do for DA.
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No, I'm aware of that, but what is "BW Shepard"? Bioware doesn't have their own version of canon for ME like they do for DA.
It's just shorthand. "God" is the one who mentioned "Bioware's Shepard".. or the male one at least. So I figured he meant their standard build.. the Default Soldier.
So much for omniscience. Not only do you not get it but your opinion is flat out wrong.
But that's not what I asked. I asked why you think Liara is better for FemShep.
I don't personally. But I think the tone and narrative of the romance was designed by BW to be the most... prominent. There are a lot of points where Liara and Femshep is often pushed to be the most enduring.
I don't personally. But I think the tone and narrative of the romance was designed by BW to be the most... prominent. There are a lot of points where Liara and Femshep is often pushed to be the most enduring.
But are the lines different, apart from pronoun swaps? Is the blocking of the scenes different?
Unless you think Hale's delivery of the romance lines are above Meer's in some way, I don't see where the difference would be.
And I really hope this doesn't start one of those discussions...
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And I really hope this doesn't start one of those discussions...
edit: Yeah, screw this. But I'm tempted... 
Liara or Tali, mostly for the sake of consistence across all three games.
I prefer Tali because Liara sounds like an extremely naive stoner lol. Plus she looks CREEPY. (Fully human face stapled onto an otherwise alien head...what?!). The asari look less "human face" so it just makes her stand out even more. Wasn't she directly modeled after someone like other crew members?
That said I think Tali is the best for various reasons
a) Him romancing the "outcast" shows depth for shepard
Tali grows with shepard throughout the trilogy
c) Tali is present as a squadmate for the entirely trilogy
d) I like the consistent dynamic of Soldier Shepard, Leader, Sniper Garrus, Lancer and best friend, Engineer Tali, Support and Love Interest.
Plus with cases like Jack or Miranda, it feels more like Shepard is their psychologist giving therapy sessions, rather than a romantic interest most of the time. And others like Kelly Chambers are just a "fling", then ME3 only interests like Kaiden and Steve are out of nowhere and too "last minute" for me to really care about.
@ Silvair (Ignoring the blatant Tali worship in this thread and others):
I don't quite understand how Kaidan's ME3 romance is "out of nowhere" or "last minute" (the last one baffles me especially considering his presence in the first game). Unless you're referring to the same-sex romance between him and male Shepard, to which I have to say.... I don't quite understand how Kaidan's ME3 romance is "out of nowhere" or "last minute".
If anything, his romance (and Ashley's, but just focusing on Kaidan since he's the topic of discussion) would be one of the more realized and developed in the entire series by the time ME3 rolls around. He and Shepard have known each other for a while, it's not like they're 2 strangers meeting for the first time and deciding to bone. They've worked together and have a history with one another, assuming he survives ME1. By the time ME3 rolls around and Shepard and Kaidan get together, they know what the other is like, both professionally and personally. Maybe I'm mistaken, but most healthy relationships between people are built on knowing who the other person is in the relationship. It's kind of a key factor in determining whether or not the relationship will work out.
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Plus with cases like Jack or Miranda, it feels more like Shepard is their psychologist giving therapy sessions, rather than a romantic interest most of the time.
That's if you play a Paragon. It's your own choice to pick dialogue like that. Then Jack herself says to cut the therapist crap out and it isn't "your thing" anyways. Even she knows Shepard is too cool for that.
But even then, Paragon finally gives up and says he can't "fix anything.... and that 'we're all nuts'". If you played it, you'd know this.
As for Miranda, I don't remember anything about being her therapist. She has a similar deal as Tali. A family related storyline.
For the most part it really just boils down to personal preferences and which character is the best fit for how your choices define Shepard.
The only LIs that I'd argue are objectively bad for any playthrough, other than Morinth, are Jacob and Diana Allers. Allers is an extremely shallow character with little content and terrible voice acting, and Jacob's arc basically got axed by the writers in ME3.
As for Miranda, I don't remember anything about being her therapist. She has a similar deal as Tali. A family related storyline.
Shepard doesn't play therapist for Miranda at all. Miranda's family doesn't even really factor into the romance. She mentions Oriana all of once after the loyalty mission (in a non-romance conversation) and doesn't talk about her father afterward at all. If anything, she talks about the importance of the mission and how unlikely everyone's survival is, and her desire to see Shepard safe. The last (or second-to-last?) romance conversation with her has her asking Shepard whether or not Shepard thinks they will survive the suicide mission. As far as the romance is concerned (in ME2 anyhow, given the circumstances), she's more concerned with what's happening at that moment. By the time the romance formally begins, she knows that Oriana is safe and her father is out of their hair for the time being, so all she has to worry about is herself, Shepard, and the rest of he crew.
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Shepard doesn't play therapist for Miranda at all. Miranda's family doesn't even really factor into the romance. She mentions Oriana all of once after the loyalty mission (in a non-romance conversation) and doesn't talk about her father afterward at all. If anything, she talks about the importance of the mission and how unlikely everyone's survival is, and her desire to see Shepard safe. The last (or second-to-last?) romance conversation with her has her asking Shepard whether or not Shepard thinks they will survive the suicide mission. As far as the romance is concerned (in ME2 anyhow, given the circumstances), she's more concerned with what's happening at that moment. By the time the romance formally begins, she knows that Oriana is safe and her father is out of their hair for the time being, so all she has to worry about is herself, Shepard, and the rest of he crew.
Oh I agree... I just mean getting on her good side is because of Oriana and her dad. But yeah, no therapy.
The actual romance dialogue was cool to me... if you go Renegade and tease her a bit about being jealous.
By the time ME3 rolls around and Shepard and Kaidan get together, they know what the other is like, both professionally and personally. Maybe I'm mistaken, but most healthy relationships between people are built on knowing who the other person is in the relationship. It's kind of a key factor in determining whether or not the relationship will work out.
It's personal preference, but I tried a playthrough like this for my last MShep and it was extremely rewarding to build this relationship over 3 games. Probably my favourite romance so far out of all the BW games I've played.
Like HanShotFirst said though, it's all down to who suits your Shepard best, maybe even who you can relate most to in real life.
There's LIs I still wanna try out in the next few playthroughs, but I'm not really expecting any will come close to Kaidan's.
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I don't play same-sex romance stuff, but if did I think it'd be Traynor and Cortez. As minor as those characters are, I think they're great. They're my only other connection to ME2 as well... they keep the plot about the kidnapped colonists and Collectors somewhat relevant. At least what you did mattered to someone.
I don't play same-sex romance stuff, but if did I think it'd be Traynor and Cortez. As minor as those characters are, I think they're great. They're my only other connection to ME2 as well... they keep the plot about the kidnapped colonists and Collectors somewhat relevant. At least what you did mattered to someone.
I'm looking forward to try out Sam, I really like her character.
But Steve I'm not sure if I ever would try it, I think I like it more to just help him overcome his husband's death.
But what do you mean by "at least it mattered to someone"? You mean others are not grateful for what you did throughout the game? Or are you solely referring to ME2?
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