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[TheChris92]

It's really funny (or sad, not sure) that most SJW are bashing Ubisoft when they have the best modern female characters of any big publisher.

Lol, no. Ubisoft's characters are generally generic. The best female character I can think of would be the Princess from the first Prince of Persia. Otherwise, their arsenal of characters like Desmond, Pierce from Watch-Underscore-Dogs ranges from dull to average.

[Fast Jimmy]

It's really funny (or sad, not sure) that most SJW are bashing Ubisoft when they have the best modern female characters of any big publisher but hey, I've heard people saying that Bioware is not inclusive enough even though we are ridiculously overrepresented on their stuff so...

I guess anything is possible when you throw common sense away.

Exactly. Ubisoft and Bioware are decried as being bigots, while Bungie gives virtual boob implants to Cortana with each new Halo game and no one says a word.

You see the same thing with policies for companies to "Go Green." A company tried to do the right thing and imement a policy and then environmentalists tear it apart for not being good enough. This results in companies being gun shy about implementing policies at all or, if they do, they keep it quiet, both from their employees and the public, making any effort the company does swept under the rug.

A culture that is far too quick to criticize rather than congratulate is at play here. While there is always more that can be done with any initiative, taking steps in the right direction are far too often greeted with a lack of enthusiasm or outright hostility for not being "enough." And that should be incredibly depressing for everyone involved.

[TheChris92]

And still, Aveline or Lara are vastly better than a male Shepard/Hawke rigged into a female model.

Lara? Don't recall any character named Lara from any Ubisoft game. If you're referring to modern Lara Croft by Crystal Dynamics then I'd agree, but you were arguing that Ubisoft reigns supreme in terms of writing for female characters which I find hard to swallow, because most of their character ranges from generic stereotypes to average and dull like Aidan Pierce or Desmond Miles. The female characters are generally card-board cut-out or forced love interests like Lucy who end up dying anyway so -- So much for that.

[Cyonan]

Out of the Ubisoft games I've played, I have to agree that most of their characters(male and female) are pretty dull and uninteresting.

 

Although regardless of that they gave a fairly poor reason for not including a female playable character in Unity, so they probably should have at least a little bit of backfire from that.

[Ridwan]

I just want good games, and not play something that tries to force some tumblrsexual agenda on me.

[Khayness]

But as we can see here, DA:O sales wound up being somewhat similar to DA2 in the first three weeks, but then, for reasons unknown to me other than "word of mouth," DA:O saw a spike in sales in Week 8 that surpassed that of Week 2. Clearly, the initial reception of the game was good, but what would drive sales that large two months after release? What happened? Who talked about the game in massive numbers? What were their means of doing so? Why were they effective? 

 

Christmas happened. Nothing magical. DA:O came out in early November. I remember standing in the rain for a while just to get in and snap away a leftover CE preorder someone cancelled.

[Fast Jimmy]

Christmas happened. Nothing magical. DA:O came out in early November. I remember standing in the rain for a while just to get in and snap away a leftover CE preorder someone cancelled.

Ah. For some reason, I thought I remember DA:O coming out in late November, but you are right. Eight weeks is exactly around Chrisrmas.


Although you seem to be implying that Christmas isn't magical.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Massive case of First World Problems.

 

While it's certainly an issue, so much nonsense gets labeled under sexism/racism/whatever is offensive to kids these days, like the recent UbiSoft attacks, it's hard to take them seriously, when around 80% of the time, they are just speaking out of their ass.

 

QFT.

 

 

I just want good games, and not play something that tries to force some tumblrsexual agenda on me.

 

That'll be a gender confused crossdressing castrated gay asexual biromantic transsexual liberal humanist feminist protagonist with a foot fetish then?

[Neoleviathan]

From playing Black Flag... Ubisoft is kinda weird. In the future settings I thought women were potrayed as people pretty well. Their presence was comfurtable. Back in the past things got kinda weird though. And I'm not talking about Kidd, she was really fun... But who the heck if flower girl? She comes out of nowhere, looks misplaced, and after a cutscene or two where she really isn't involved with you much,

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she somehow just is your best friend and person you trust your ship to. She's doing all these things, but I never knew her, I didn't know her relationship or trust her. Why is this character so weird? Who is flower girl?

I think the weirdest part of the game, involving female characters, was when...

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Kidd cleverly used pregnancy as a trick to get out of execution. I thought that moment was pretty good, and must of had historical context... But things got weird and confusing when her and flower girl are like, nahh that wasn't a joke, we are pregnant! I was caught off guard, because I thought Kidd had still been keeping things a secret about her being a she, and then frustrated that flower girl (who I still don't know) again was throwing herself full into the plot of things without letting me figure out who she was. Then the madness. So Kidd has her baby. But we don't care apparently, Kenway just leaves and never bothers looking into where the kid was taken. I am sick of having baby's thrown in danger and then the devs saying naw man, not important, you don't have to save that thing. This is why I quit the Dead Space series. There's no easier way to make me hate the player character. Kenway's a jerk. That baby will probably result in Templar Darth Vader now. That's what happens when you just abandon babies to evil secret societies Kenway, you get Templar Darth Vader. Good going!

[jillabender]

I'm going to take a risk and make myself vulnerable here – I'm someone who's often participated in discussions about inequality, representation, and inclusion in games, from a firm perspective that the status quo is not apolitical and that asking for characters like oneself to identify with in games isn't something that anyone should need to apologize for. And I admit that it's often left me feeling a lot of conflict.

 

On the one hand, I've often witnessed that the simple act of asking for characters like oneself in games can be all it takes for someone to be jumped on for being a "social justice warrior" with an axe to grind – and that sometimes makes me frustrated and angry. It frustrates me that some people can take for granted that they will be able to find people like themselves to identify with in games, while other people are in a position where they can't ask to be included without being told that they're spoiling the fun for other people by doing so, or derided as having a chip on their shoulder.

 

On the other hand, I have my own biases and my own comfort level when it comes to people expressing their frustration with this issue, and it does make me uncomfortable when I see people take the position "It's my duty to call out reactionary thinking about inclusion as loudly and obnoxiously as possible at every opportunity." I worry that stance can be counterproductive and alienate people, by contributing to a polarized atmosphere where people aren't very likely to admit to having doubts or conflicting feelings.

 

It's a double-edged sword, though, because I definitely don't think the answer is for people to be tirelessly forbearing, either – I think it's safe to say that change when it comes to this issue won't happen without people speaking up firmly to say "The way things are now isn't working for me and for a lot of people like me," and "I have a history of experiences of being dismissed when it comes to this issue, and I'm tired of being ignored."

 

I'll openly admit that I often feel cognitive dissonance when I think back to times I've challenged people about issues of representation and inequality, because I know that my ego has sometimes led to situations where, instead of listening to people to understand, I was listening to reply – and felt crummy about it afterwards. I think all one can really do about situations like that is to try to learn from it without beating oneself up too much, and try to do better in the future.

 

There's a lot more I could say, but I should probably save that for another post to avoid wall-of-text-itis!

[Ridwan]

 

QFT.

 

 

 

That'll be a gender confused crossdressing castrated gay asexual biromantic transsexual liberal humanist feminist protagonist with a foot fetish then?

 

 

Careful now, you're going to be told to "check your privilege".

 

Which incidentally is the lamest comeback ever.

[HiddenInWar]

Social justice advocates - like all activists - have good intentions from the get go, but there's always bound to be radicals. Being inclusive is never a bad thing, and I commend companies like Bioware that partake in it, but I'm not going to nitpick and prod at everything that goes on. Then it becomes tiring, y'know? 

 

Edit: i guess my point is I like companies that are inclusive, and if I see a problem, I'm not going to be a huge a-hole about it. 

[In Exile]

I tend to think people use "SJW" to deride a method of promoting one's goals, not the goals themselves. Anita I think is a good example, because I don't think many people have an issue with increasing awareness of the manner in which women are depicted. The issue is her videos suck. The issue is she has demonstrated on several occasions an unwillingness to do proper research in order to accurately formulate her points. Then, if anyone says, "What you are saying about this character in this game is not true," the insults start flying from certain groups of people that believe the proper response is to completely shut off the conversation by throwing around "sexist" or "bigot" or whatever. And that also happens when some idiots call anyone discussing gender and race topics in videogames "SJW."

 

At the same time, a bunch of people are doing things like sending her rape threats, talking about how she needs to be raped, and actually trying to IRL track her down. Which shows that there are problems with video game culture. The internet bickering over this is ridiculous, obviously, and both sides need to focus on the real issues, but there is a very real problem about how women making inane points about video games are treated, i.e., terribly and maliciously by at least a small cluster of loons. 

[Fast Jimmy]

At the same time, a bunch of people are doing things like sending her rape threats, talking about how she needs to be raped, and actually trying to IRL track her down. Which shows that there are problems with video game culture. The internet bickering over this is ridiculous, obviously, and both sides need to focus on the real issues, but there is a very real problem about how women making inane points about video games are treated, i.e., terribly and maliciously by at least a small cluster of loons.

I think that is less a problem with video games and more of an instance of the fact that there a psychotic people in the world, many of which have access to the Internet and believe it gives them the total anonymity to say the most insane batshirt crazy things that pop in their head.

You can't stop psychos from playing video games, anymore than you can stop hem from reading books, listening to music or watching movies. Yet far too often when said psychos wind up doing something truly mentally unhinged, it is the content the psycho consumes is vilified, rather than the fact that the person is clearly mentally disturbed.

Putting more inclusive demographics in video games won't stop psychos from doing psycho things. Just like sanitizing all violence from video games won't stop psychos from doing psycho things either.

I don't think inclusion is a terrible idea, but if a stated goal of it is supposed to be to get the crazies to stop being crazy, then I'm afraid that's just not going to happen. There are crazy people who think TVs are the governments way of secretly reading their brains, or who are convinced that there is one shadow government of people pulling the switches of the world and organizing every even that plays out, from the largest macroscale to the tiniest microscale.

Crazy is just crazy.

[AventuroLegendary]

It's come to a point where I can't take terms like "political correctness" and the like seriously. I thought the AC unity controversy was pretty dumb. There weren't even four "generic white guy" protagonists. Ubi's handling of it certainly didn't help, though, incidentally like their handling of the Far Cry 4 controversy.

 

Lol, no. Ubisoft's characters are generally generic. The best female character I can think of would be the Princess from the first Prince of Persia. Otherwise, their arsenal of characters like Desmond, Pierce from Watch-Underscore-Dogs ranges from dull to average.

 

Don't diss Rayman. He's a lovable creature who just wants to defend his home and friends while having fun. And he lacks arms, legs and a neck. Creative!

[TurianRebel212]

Steve Cortez's gayness was shoved right in our face in ME3. Every other convo with that guy was "hey Shepard. I'm gay brah. Do you know I'm gay. I'm gay, ain't it cool and edgy. I miss my gay lover Shepard. Hey Shepard, want to be my new gay lover".

 

It was over the top and flamboyant. I was like "*Yawn*. I don't care. I just don't care."

 

Steve only got alright with Citadel DLC, when there was no mention of him being a ****** and missing his ****** lover.

 

It's fine to have gay's an lesbo's in any medium, but quit shoving it in my face in a game about a Super Elite BAMF Space Marine who shoots baddies and monsters in the face and saves the galaxy, lol. Probably not the best game or situation to shove it in my face.

 

Gay's are alright, lesbos are alright. It's all aright. But you gotta pick your spots to put it in a game, otherwise it just comes off pretentious and dumb.

 

lol, H0mo is a slang on BSN??? Lol.

[milena87]

I don't really know what to feel. I like playing games with a female playable character of course, as I'm female myself. And having gay characters can be a plus as well, if done right. Would I like more games with female and/or gay playable characters? Sure. I'd also like more female leads in movies and more female protagonists in books.

 

But that's it. If a game doesn't have a playable female and/or gay character maybe it just didn't need to. Another game will possibly have them and I'll buy that one as well, if it's good.

 

And thinking about it, many of my favourite games have only male playable characters: Grim Fandango, Monkey Island, Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, Planescape Torment, Alpha Protocol, The Witcher 1&2. Some had both male and female, like KotOR 2, Dark Age of Camelot, Vampire Bloodlines, Mass Effect 1 and Day of the Tentacle. Only one of my favourite games ever had a female-only lead: The Longest Journey.

 

 

And the games with male-only playable characters usually have good supporting female characters (at least, the ones I play), so I'm fine. Elaine Marley and Sophia Hapgood are total badasses.

[ruggly]

I tend to think people use "SJW" to deride a method of promoting one's goals, not the goals themselves. Anita I think is a good example, because I don't think many people have an issue with increasing awareness of the manner in which women are depicted. The issue is her videos suck. The issue is she has demonstrated on several occasions an unwillingness to do proper research in order to accurately formulate her points. Then, if anyone says, "What you are saying about this character in this game is not true," the insults start flying from certain groups of people that believe the proper response is to completely shut off the conversation by throwing around "sexist" or "bigot" or whatever. And that also happens when some idiots call anyone discussing gender and race topics in videogames "SJW."

 

Agreed.  I'd be much more inclined to listen to someone who wants to bring up these issues, but they actually enjoy playing video games as well. Her videos never seem to offer anything good that she's seen, or like you said, offers up a lot of 'criticisms' that are not true. She also has a habit of stealing Let's Plays and has yet to apologize for it, I believe.

 

I'm all for better representation of females, more female protagonists and what not, but it's counterproductive to me to sit there and yell and nitpick at everything.

[TheChris92]

I don't really know what to feel. I like playing games with a female playable character of course, as I'm female myself. And having gay characters can be a plus as well, if done right. Would I like more games with female and/or gay playable characters? Sure. I'd also like more female leads in movies and more female protagonists in books.

 

But that's it. If a game doesn't have a playable female and/or gay character maybe it just didn't need to. Another game will possibly have them and I'll buy that one as well, if it's good.

 

And thinking about it, many of my favourite games have only male playable characters: Grim Fandango, Monkey Island, Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, Planescape Torment, Alpha Protocol, The Witcher 1&2. Some had both male and female, like KotOR 2, Dark Age of Camelot, Vampire Bloodlines, Mass Effect 1 and Day of the Tentacle. Only one of my favourite games ever had a female-only lead: The Longest Journey.

 

 

And the games with male-only playable characters usually have good supporting female characters (at least, the ones I play), so I'm fine. Elaine Marley and Sophia Hapgood are total badasses.

Speaking of Longest Journey. I'm looking forward to getting my Kickstarter-supported copy of Chapters coming up soon. Woot!

[Milan92]

Lol, no. Ubisoft's characters are generally generic. The best female character I can think of would be the Princess from the first Prince of Persia. Otherwise, their arsenal of characters like Desmond, Pierce from Watch-Underscore-Dogs ranges from dull to average.

 

Even the CEO of Ubisoft has finally realized that xD

 

http://www.computera...says-guillemot/

[Clover Rider]

So-so.

 

Would help some if there was more women, LGTB and non-whites making games.

[milena87]

Speaking of Longest Journey. I'm looking forward to getting my Kickstarter-supported copy of Chapters coming up soon. Woot!

 

Yep, the updates so far have been great. I can't wait!

[General TSAR]

SJWs are oversensitive idiots and hypocrites.

 

My 0.02 Kopecks. 

Lol, no. Ubisoft's characters are generally generic. The best female character I can think of would be the Princess from the first Prince of Persia. Otherwise, their arsenal of characters like Desmond, Pierce from Watch-Underscore-Dogs ranges from dull to average.

That's your opinion, I happen to think they also have excellent characters like Vaas and Edward Thatch.