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[HK-90210]

I just came up with a direction to take at least one of my Elf Inquisitors.

 

Since we know all Elf Inquisitors are Dalish, I was thinking it would be cool to play a Dalish elf who genuinely believes in the Andrastian faith over that of the Dalish. A bit of a religious maverick in his clan. I was wondering if there's any confirmation on how far we could take that.

 

I know we will be able to doubt the Maker, or support His existence. But if your character comes from a culture that generally rejects Andraste and her teachings, is being a devout Andrastian something the devs will support?

[Lebanese Dude]

This reminds me of the DA:O conversation options for Dalish characters that involved the words "Maker" and "Andraste". 

 

It made sense for a roleplaying design perspective, but I would have preferred they changed them to "Creators" and such.

[Jessihatt]

I really want to play as a Dalish Andrastian.

 

Would have loved to be able to play as a City Elf, so I'm going to try and reject the Dalish culture whenever I can as I play through Inquisition.

[Vit246]

You're not Dalish if you're an Andrastian. You're an Andrastian who's an elf.

[Dussan2]

I really want to play as a Dalish Andrastian.

 

Would have loved to be able to play as a City Elf, so I'm going to try and reject the Dalish culture whenever I can as I play through Inquisition.

The City Elf storyline in Origins, and the City Elves in DA2 if you remember looked at the Dalish with reverence and awe.  The life was what the city elves wanted but since the dalish are nomadic and far from the cities, those elves in the cities can only dream.

 

In Dragon Age Origins, or after, there was a MAJOR change in Ferelden rule.  You either had Alistair on the throne or your Warden ruled with Anara. The Alienage was destroyed, and the Dalish played a major part in pushing back the darkspawn.  

 

My point is that after the 5th Blight, NOTHING was the same for the elves, at least it shouldn't be within Ferelden.  Sure the elves are 2nd class citizens but it makes far more sense to me that those elves within the Alienage's left when the Dalish marched out of Ferelden, and relations improved to the point where they are treated with enough respect that more elves wanting to leave the city would go be with the Dalish.

 

After 10 years, I would expect that the City Elves we saw in Origins to be a bad memory.

[Gervaise]

Technically you can be an Andrastrian and not support the Chantry and their interpretation of the Chant.   Anders was an Andrastrian, so was my Hawke and I even argued a case with Sebastian that Andraste would have have been there alongside us defending the innocent mages from being slaughtered for something they didn't do.   Since I had killed Anders he was willing to concede on the matter.

 

The first time I played Origins it was as a Dalish elf.   I was incensed when I discovered the Chant had been altered to remove the sections about Shartan.   Then I was pleased that Shartan appeared among the spirits at the Gauntlet, which made me feel that what I was told there was at least genuine.   The more honest Chantry scholars admit that Andraste's crusade might well have foundered but for Shartan turning on his masters with his elven soldiers and supporting the barbarians at the Battle of Valarian Fields.

 

Sebastian also had a chat with Merrill when he suggested that when he talked about the Maker rejecting humanity and she talked about the Creators abandoning the elves, perhaps they were talking about the same divine force.      So you could work to that basis, so even if the dialogue makes you refer to Creators, effectively you are saying the Maker.     

 

On the whole though, the  PC is never actually made to subscribe to a faith.   You can accept the blessing of the cleric at Ostagar or reject it or simply avoid her altogether.   Likewise you can ask Elthina for her blessing but it is not obligatory.   I think in this game you can devote resources to building a local chantry at your Keeps if you wish but again it is your choice.      I want to be able to promote the real chant (in other words the true morality it promotes not the pseudo version of the Orlesian Chantry) but I am not sure if that is possible.   Remember that Tevinter is also Andrastrian, but has broken away from the Orlesian Chantry and put their own interpretation on the chant.     

 

Strangely enough, at the time of the original Inquisition there were a lot of different cults all devote to Andraste but that organisation thinned them out until the one remained that they approved of, which also happened to be the one favoured by Emperor Drakon and so the Orlesian Chantry and the Divine came into being.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why would you want to play a segregated and maligned character class?  The Dalish are what the city elves wish to move on to.  They don't dream of living in a ghetto.

No, the City Elves wish for a better life. If they wished to be Dalish, they'd leave in droves to find them instead of the occasional individual.  

[Jessihatt]

Why would you want to play a segregated and maligned character class?  The Dalish are what the city elves wish to move on to.  They don't dream of living in a ghetto.

I don't want to be part of a people that believe any way but theirs is the wrong way.

If you're not Dalish you're an enemy, if you're Dalish but help others you'll probably be seen as a traitor.

(Though I get not ALL Dalish are like that, but seems the majority are hostile)

 

Not all City Elves want to be Dalish - many think they are barbaric and are scared of them, though they might admire that they bow to no one.

 

I just don't like 'em

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I really want to play as a Dalish Andrastian.

 

Would have loved to be able to play as a City Elf, so I'm going to try and reject the Dalish culture whenever I can as I play through Inquisition.

This reminds me of my plans for my Tophquisitor: a Dalish Mage who hates all the rules that Dalish society has and revels in being able to do what she wants now. Based after Toph in Avatar: The Last Airbender.

[wright1978]

I really don't see dalish accepting an open andrastian among them. Would they not view that as potentially corrupting.
Like human backgrounds there hopefully will be ways to avoid overtly faith based dialogue and think there may be ways to role play someone with a secret fascination with andrastian ism via dialogues/choices regarding chantry.

[Gervaise]

Would also point out that it has never been clear whether Shartan believed everything Andraste taught or simply supported her from expediency.   "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."   However, he did die defending her and Maferath kept his word to him because the elves did get a homeland as Sharatan had always dreamed of achieving.    So who is to say that Andraste did think as Sebastian did about the elves and their Creators being the same as the Maker?     Or then again, was that really the ancient religion of the elves?    They have no written records of Arlathan, only verbal traditions handed down over a very long period of time.  Who is to say they haven't become a bit muddled along the way?   The whole point of the tales about the Creators is to emphasis keeping to the traditional ways of doing things.   Just as with the Chant and the Maker, they teach that if we "remember what it is to be elves" then the Creators will return to aid them.     But even Felassen said it takes more than tattoos to be a true elf.   From what was revealed in Masked Empire and what we learned a the ruin in the Bressillian Forest, I'd say that the Dalish don't come anywhere near to being as they were back at the time of Arlathan.   For a start off, they lived in cities, not as wandering nomads, and had nobles and servants.   It is a bit like when people started to revive what they claimed were old Celtic traditions, like the druids, which had been cobbled together from a few ancient writings by their enemies and a bit of folk law but is likely a mere shadow and an idealised shadow of the real thing.  

 

So I'd say go with it, if that is how you want to play it.   You're a Dalish elf who reveres Andraste and Shartan.  

[Iakus]

While an elf could be raised Dalish and convert to Andrastrianism, I doubt they would identify as Dalish anymore at that point.

[The Baconer]

You're not Dalish if you're an Andrastian. You're an Andrastian who's an elf.

 

^

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I don't want to be part of a people that believe any way but theirs is the wrong way.

If you're not Dalish you're an enemy, if you're Dalish but help others you'll probably be seen as a traitor.

(Though I get not ALL Dalish are like that, but seems the majority are hostile)

 

Not all City Elves want to be Dalish - many think they are barbaric and are scared of them, though they might admire that they bow to no one.

 

I just don't like 'em

 

Well that's definitely not true. I think most of the NPCs in Zathrian's Clan (even Zathrian himself mostly) are friendly to the Warden. And the few that aren't are either chastised by the others or apologize later.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well that's definitely not true. I think most of the NPCs in Zathrian's Clan (even Zathrian himself mostly) are friendly to the Warden. And the few that aren't are either chastised by the others or apologize later.

Of course they are nice to you when they need something. 

[Milan92]

This reminds me of my plans for my Tophquisitor: a Dalish Mage who hates all the rules that Dalish society has and revels in being able to do what she wants now. Based after Toph in Avatar: The Last Airbender.

 

Does this mean your Male Human Inquisitor will be Varrick? Because it would be hilarious if he romanced Cass.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Does this mean your Male Human Inquisitor will be Varrick? Because it would be hilarious if he romanced Cass.

I'm hoping Dorian will be like Varrick, actually? Both have similar skin, eye, and hair color, mustaches, and are very expressive with their hands.

 

If he's not, then maybe. 

[Milan92]

I'm hoping Dorian will be like Varrick, actually? Both have similar skin, eye, and hair color, mustaches, and are very expressive with their hands.

 

If he's not, then maybe. 

 

I hope he does too! But he didn't come across like him in the demo sadly But here's hoping.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I hope he does too! But he didn't come across like him in the demo sadly But here's hoping.

True, but then that was a very serious and personal scene for him, so I don't use that for a base of his personality.

 

We should continue in the Dorian thread if we wish to continue.

[Milan92]

True, but then that was a very serious and personal scene for him, so I don't use that for a base of his personality.

 

We should continue in the Dorian thread if we wish to continue.

 

Right!

[Lorien19]

While an elf could be raised Dalish and convert to Andrastrianism, I doubt they would identify as Dalish anymore at that point.

Pretty much this,being Dalish after is about believing in the old gods and preserve what remains from the old elvish culture through their everyday lives and beliefs.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Of course they are nice to you when they need something. 

 

Well then you can say that about anyone. Most of the people you interact with are questgivers. You can just as easily conclude that everyone is hostile and xenophobic and is only nice to the PC because they need something.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well then you can say that about anyone.

True. I'm just saying that the Dalish are not nice to either Warden or Hawke until the Keeper says they are needed for something. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

If that's true you can't claim Dalish are any more hostile or xenophobic than anyone else in the world.

[myahele]

Wasn't there a city elf that joined the wardens clan that was a follower of Andraste?