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[SerCambria358]

I have a question for the Qunari...

Yes Golem?

Does it have anything to prevent me from knocking it down when I start throwing boulders at it?

I am indomitable. 

So does this indomitable ability prevent it from being stunned when I rock the ground or shout extremely loud when it gets close?

Well...no.

So once it is stunned there is nothing keeping me from just squashing it into so much grey paste with all my power attacks that are coming once it is staggered?

No.

Thank you.  That is all.  It was fun knowing the Qunari, but now I must squash you like a like bird.

 

SHALE WINS

Actually Indomitable does prevent being stunned and i dont think game mechanics are included in this.

[Heimdall]

Shale! Because rock beats scissors, and by scissors I mean squishy fleshy bits.

[TheLittleBird]

Shale! Because rock beats scissors, and by scissors I mean squishy fleshy bits.

 

So... that doesn't give me anything to go on other than "Shale". I mean, why would she beat Sten, specifically?

[BloodyTalon]

Never underestimate causes. Shale is fighting so that she can something go squish. She's cocky and thinks she's invulnerable (which is not the case) and it makes her susceptible to error. Sten is fighting on behalf of a Nation. 

Also given the gear in that pic he is better able to deal with Shale then if he was using a sword. Between cause and gear Sten is better off against crystal and stone, unlike the mage fights can't really augre to much the crystals will altar the flow of the battle here.

Its just also judging by the picture Sten does have a little menuable and Shale was never quick he could wait for Shale to close and hit her soild with the warhammer it would do alot of damage. against stone and crystal.

[SerCambria358]

The problem with stone is that if it cracks, the entire slab is pretty much compromised, one good hit from a maul like that being swung by a beast of a qunari definitely has the potential to do major damage, her previous opponents couldnt deal that type of damage  

[foxfeathers]

Hmm. Hrrrrmmmmmm.

 

Fort Drakon changes everything.

 

I was fully prepared to say Shale would win, despite being distracted by Sten's rippling muscles (hah). But Sten might be clever enough to knock Shale from the top of the tower, where she would presumably be shattered into many little pieces.

 

 

 

 

I'm going with Sten. That hammer looks like it might be able to crush rock anyhow (certainly could do more damage than a sword).

[TheGlen]

Actually Indomitable does prevent being stunned and i dont think game mechanics are included in this.

Well then, my computer is a cheating bastard.

[MrMrPendragon]

I'm not gonna count anything that could happen, like "maybe Sten can do this and this and this" or "This weapon seems like it can do..." because those are all just guesses. There's no certainty.

I'm giving it to Shale. Yes Sten is more disciplined, but his offense is all physical.

Shale is a golem, which makes him superior when it comes to defense and armor. Plus her offense isn't all physical, as her crystals contain magical properties. Shale's offense is a combination of brute force and magic attacks (from the crystals). Sten's offense is brute force and I guess Qunari training.

There's no guarantee that Sten destroy Shale's body, but there is a guarantee that Shale can break Sten's armor.

[Heimdall]

So... that doesn't give me anything to go on other than "Shale". I mean, why would she beat Sten, specifically?

Because Shale is a golem who laughs in the face of sharpened steel?  Who values no cause higher than the extermination of the vermin of the skies?  How can the Qun compete with that?  Sten has to chip away at her to kill her.  All Shale needs is a single well placed piledriver to collapse his chest cavity.  She isn't an idiot, he can't outsmart her easily either.

[TheLittleBird]

Because Shale is a golem who laughs in the face of sharpened steel?  Who values no cause higher than the extermination of the vermin of the skies?  How can the Qun compete with that?  Sten has to chip away at her to kill her.  All Shale needs is a single well placed piledriver to collapse his chest cavity.  She isn't an idiot, he can't outsmart her easily either.

 

Thank you for that, noted

[MrMrPendragon]

Because Shale is a golem who laughs in the face of sharpened steel?  Who values no cause higher than the extermination of the vermin of the skies?  How can the Qun compete with that?  Sten has to chip away at her to kill her.  All Shale needs is a single well placed piledriver to collapse his chest cavity.  She isn't an idiot, he can't outsmart her easily either.

Exactly. She's a warrior dwarf in a body of a golem. Maybe the agility is lessened but her strength more than makes up for that. She has weapons training, which can be used when fighting as a golem. The only difference is the weapon she's weilding.

[SerCambria358]

Because Shale is a golem who laughs in the face of sharpened steel?  Who values no cause higher than the extermination of the vermin of the skies?  How can the Qun compete with that?  Sten has to chip away at her to kill her.  All Shale needs is a single well placed piledriver to collapse his chest cavity.  She isn't an idiot, he can't outsmart her easily either.

Valuing nothing more than crushing vermin gives you no motive to continue to live, if you're life only consists of crushing birds, you have no drive to fight. Compare that to someone who's trained their entire life to assist in spreading their philosophy killing or removing anyone who gets in his way, and you can see why that argument is flawed.

 

A maul strike to a slab of stone is going to do more than "chip away" at her. 

 

No one said she was an idiot but he can outsmart her in the sense of fighting technique, he has the potential of being the matador making shale the bull. She has no formal training beyond swinging her fists, not that i underestimate her abilities but technique always beats raw power 

[Just My Moniker]

Sten

 

This one was really hard for me, but in the end, I voted for Sten. I would say that while Shale has the advantage in strength (if but a little) and in defense, she just doesnt have the sheer determination and zeal that Sten does. Also, Sten, even though hes pretty big, would be more agile than Shale and thus have the advantage there as well.

[Heimdall]

Valuing nothing more than crushing vermin gives you no motive to continue to live, if you're life only consists of crushing birds, you have no drive to fight. Compare that to someone who's trained their entire life to assist in spreading their philosophy killing or removing anyone who gets in his way, and you can see why that argument is flawed.
 
A maul strike to a slab of stone is going to do more than "chip away" at her. 
 
No one said she was an idiot but he can outsmart her in the sense of fighting technique, he has the potential of being the matador making shale the bull. She has no formal training beyond swinging her fists, not that i underestimate her abilities but technique always beats raw power

No formal training? You do realize that she's of the Dwarven Warrior caste? Trained her entire life to fight and dedicated enough to volunteer to become a golem? Whether her cause be the destruction of vermin or protecting Orzammar, Shale's got the dedication to match Sten

[SerCambria358]

No formal training? You do realize that she's of the Dwarven Warrior caste? Trained her entire life to fight and dedicated enough to volunteer to become a golem? Whether her cause be the destruction of vermin or protecting Orzammar, Shale's got the dedication to match Sten

In a dwarf body yes, she has no formal training as a golem only using her new body. Plus a lot of training has probably been forgotten since she has no use for it

 

No i have to completely disagree, a strong willed Qunari like sten has dedication second to none let alone a Golem who admittedly cares about nothing

[NoForgiveness]

Valuing nothing more than crushing vermin gives you no motive to continue to live, if you're life only consists of crushing birds, you have no drive to fight. Compare that to someone who's trained their entire life to assist in spreading their philosophy killing or removing anyone who gets in his way, and you can see why that argument is flawed.

 

A maul strike to a slab of stone is going to do more than "chip away" at her. 

 

No one said she was an idiot but he can outsmart her in the sense of fighting technique, he has the potential of being the matador making shale the bull. She has no formal training beyond swinging her fists, not that i underestimate her abilities but technique always beats raw power 

 

/sigh... Sten's dedication to the Qun is not gonna help him dodge or block a massive rock arm, and its not gonna prevent his rib cage from collapsing into his thoracic cavity when shale's arm does hit him. Also Shale isn't without reason to live anymore,  she/it kind of gets over that after getting its memories back. 

[SerCambria358]

/sigh... Sten's dedication to the Qun is not gonna help him dodge or block a massive rock arm, and its not gonna prevent his rib cage from collapsing into his thoracic cavity when shale's arm does hit him. Also Shale isn't without reason to live anymore,  she/it kind of gets over that after getting its memories back. 

Im not disagreeing for the sake of arguing but seriously you're dead wrong, dedication and being mentally in tune with a task is a major factor in achieving that given task.

 

You type "sigh" as if i just said the most ridiculous thing in the world when its a fact that dedication effects performance dramatically, especially in combat, you can see this in modern combat sports, Mike Tyson being an example.

 

You also say his dedication wont help him dodge or block her blows, who said he needed help in those areas? You say that as if he cant deliver massive damage of his own

 

Her grasp of life having some meaning does not compare to Sten's motives, its not even a factor.

[TheLittleBird]

Now, guys, it's obvious you won't be able to reach an understanding or agreement here either, so let's just drop it, okay? I'd like to give others the chance of voting, rather than having the thread turn into an argument about the fight itself.

[NoForgiveness]

No. He could do that himself. Shale is as slow as molasses. She's built for crushing mindless hordes of darkspawn. Not one highly capable fighter of nearly epic proportions with A LOT to lose.

 

He can MAYBE dodge it. It is not certain at all. But if shale does land a blow it is certain that its gonna be bone shattering.

Im not disagreeing for the sake of arguing but seriously you're dead wrong, dedication and being mentally in tune with a task is a major factor in achieving that given task.

 

You type "sigh" as if i just said the most ridiculous thing in the world when its a fact that dedication effects performance dramatically, especially in combat, you can see this in modern combat sports, Mike Tyson being an example.

 

Her grasp of life having some meaning does not compare to Sten's motives, its not even a factor.

 

I typed sigh because I don't like getting into pointless/endless arguments with people. but I still feel I should say something sometimes.

[MrMrPendragon]

Instead of arguing which one is more determined, let's just assume that all contestants are 100% dedicated and will do whatever it takes to win. You can't say for certain that Shale will be a big goof or be lazy in this battle, nor can you say Sten will be dead serious. It's just guessing.

Talking about which one is more dedicated is pointless, not to mention it's a horrible way to determine the winner because it's not something you can really measure. It's all "well maybe Sten can do this" or "Maybe Shale can do this", well if we're going with stuff like that, maybe the tower will collapse and they both end up dead.

We should just stick to physical factors, like training, armor, offense, stuff that we can actually judge.

[LvrdAjay]

Sten would win. althought. shale is going to put up a tough fight she lacks the motivation and determination that Sten has and what it would mean to him.

[DrBlingzle]

Sten - At first I was very unsure of this match because I expected the fight to take place immediatly after the semi-finals and for Sten to only weild Asalaa. I think Shale would have better endurance than Sten so if they were allowed time to rest I think the odds would be evened slightly and if Sten is weilding a hammer than that tips the odds a bit more in his favour because (as many people have mentioned) while a sword is made for piercing armour and blocking other blades a hammer is mode purely for hitting things really hard.

 

Now at a distance Shale could stun him with boulders but at 10m apart theres less chance of that. Also look how quickly Sten closes that distance in the picture that bird provided. And look at that swing! I'm sorry but if Golums could easily withstand hits like that then how the hell did the dwarfs lose the deep roads?

 

Now as posters before me have mentioned, Sten would propably be the more dedicated of the two and the one who brings more ferocity to the fight (if sten was a pigeon that would be a different matter) and I think that would give him an edge, that'sallI'msaying,Idon'twanttostartanargument!

I also think Sten would have better tactis because, while I'm not calling Shale stupid, he has trained his entire life and the fact that he was promoted to Arishock shows he is a skilled tactician.

 

So in the end I think Sten snatches victory with a couple of bruises and broken bones.

 

By the way does anyone else think we should have a song of ice and fire tournament?