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[TheLittleBird]

Oh I don't mind you having a discussion it's just derailing the thread itself. And there's no such thing as a "final stretch" in debates like these.

[The Baconer]

Where did i say a single strike would no doubt be lethal? Though if she was cracked with the maul over the head, thats easily a done deal

 

Probably not. She has destroyed much sturdier and heavier things (and have much sturdier and heavier things fall on top of her) without having pieces of her body chip or shatter.

 

If an attack will leave him vulnerable, why would he attempt it?

 

If you're attacking with a weapon of that mass, with while trying to swing with enough force to damage a magical rock golem, you are not going to recover quickly, miss or no.

 

You completely missed the point of what i said, im not questioning the usefulness of grabs or doubting that she'd attempt it, my point for the third time was originally that you doubted and said that the idea of her punching was laughable, when thats literally 95% of what she's done in the game. Of course she's going to try to punch him occasionally.

 

I found it laughable because it is both easier to evade and requires more effort than grappling.

 

Now moving on, again you're assuming that grabbing a weapon from a seasoned fighter is just as simple as sticking your hand out and grabbing it, her reflexes arent fast, she is slow and the person that is swinging this weapon has fought many times before, to just assume that its a simple step by step process is overestimating her capabilities, all the while she is trying not to get hit, close distance, and grab a weapon, yet you're under the impression that grabbing the leader of the qunari is simple.

 

Nobody has the faintest idea how fast her reflexes are, given she can only move as fast as her body will allow. That she is significantly slower is also not a safe conclusion, given that there is nothing to suggest this (not even gameplay) other than an ingrained assumption that a big rock creature should be slow and lumbering.

[SerCambria358]

 

 

Probably not. She has destroyed much sturdier and heavier things (and have much sturdier and heavier things fall on top of her) without having pieces of her body chip or shatter.

 

Thats just making conclusions off of game limitations because according to that logic, she's in destructible

 

If you're attacking with a weapon of that mass, with while trying to swing with enough force to damage a magical rock golem, you are not going to recover quickly, miss or no.

 

It's not a matter of being quick its a matter of being fast enough to avoid a counter attack which i can see him doing

 

I found it laughable because it is both easier to evade and requires more effort than grappling.

 

A punch is not easier to evade and does not require more effort, this particular area i am actually qualified in, that is just not true.

 

Nobody has the faintest idea how fast her reflexes are, given she can only move as fast as her body will allow. That she is significantly slower is also not a safe conclusion, given that there is nothing to suggest this (not even gameplay) other than an ingrained assumption that a big rock creature should be slow and lumbering.

 

 

Gameplay suggests through their labored abilities that they are slow, everything they do seems strenuous that coupled with them being made entirely of stone suggests that they're slow. 

 

[Eliana Rose]

I vote for Shale - because I believe that Sten would have problems injuring her, even with a hammer.  Her bulk would protect her.

 

(it should not matter how the fight is conducted - they are video game characters!)

[NoForgiveness]

I vote for Shale - just because! 

 

(it should not matter how the fight is conducted - they are video game characters!)

 

You may have missed this but I think "just because" is a good example of how to get your vote ignored.

[Eliana Rose]

You may have missed this but I think "just because" is a good example of how to get your vote ignored.

 

I talked to the owner of the thread and he showed me the rules, which I had not seen.

[The Baconer]

Thats just making conclusions off of game limitations because according to that logic, she's in destructible

 

No, that comment was referencing events that occur in the book, Asunder.

 

It's not a matter of being quick its a matter of being fast enough to avoid a counter attack which i can see him doing

 

It's not just about counter attacks, but also controlling space. Even though he's probably not going to miss, he can't afford to do so, even once.

 

A punch is not easier to evade and does not require more effort, this particular area i am actually qualified in, that is just not true.

 

It is when you're a boulder with legs. Once she has a good grip, there's nothing he can do about it. Whatever techniques that may apply in real life don't matter here.

 

Gameplay suggests through their labored abilities that they are slow, everything they do seems strenuous that coupled with them being made entirely of stone suggests that they're slow. 

 

The movement speed of the regular golems, perhaps (but Shale is smaller than a regular golem). In gameplay, both Shale and the bigger golems can throw punches faster than both 2h and S&S users can swing their weapons. I won't count DA:O's abysmal 2h auto-attack animations against Sten here but Shale are definitely not as slow as what is being suggested here.

 

[cindercatz]

I'm honestly shocked that either of these are in the final. Treating this as an actual tournament, even given the time between matches, I'm considering them as extreme underdogs that both managed to never the less survive somehow, both virtually falling apart from their earlier wounds.

 

First, Sten's plate armor would not stop or meaningfully protect him from martial style arrows fired from a longbow, a finely tuned war bow, at what is very short range for the weapon. I've seen what longbows do to plate armor at that range, and Leliana was an expert marksman. So entering this duel, Sten consequently has a collapsed lung, a crippled leg, and is anemic from bloodloss from that third gut shot. He crossed quickly and seemingly willed himself to the bloody win. He also sports a rather nasty kidney injury owing to Fenris' ill timed magic hand strike back in the first round.

 

Shale is more literally falling apart. Her stone is well aged and has begun to crumble away as a result of Morrigan's entropic onslaught, and if not for an errant lightning bolt, that storm would have quite literally washed her away. This after taking a serious beating dispatching Zathrian the previous round. She's no longer capable of digging bedrock from the earth to hurl about.

 

-STEN- In her softened state, Shale is no match for even the anemic, slowly dying Arishok. His celebration is a sobre affair, but there is cake.

 

So from these the champion, and this the end.

[NoForgiveness]

I'm honestly shocked that either of these are in the final. Treating this as an actual tournament, even given the time between matches, I'm considering them as extreme underdogs that both managed to never the less survive somehow, both virtually falling apart from their earlier wounds.

 

First, Sten's plate armor would not stop or meaningfully protect him from martial style arrows fired from a longbow, a finely tuned war bow, at what is very short range for the weapon. I've seen what longbows do to plate armor at that range, and Leliana was an expert marksman. So entering this duel, Sten consequently has a collapsed lung, a crippled leg, and is anemic from bloodloss from that third gut shot. He crossed quickly and seemingly willed himself to the bloody win. He also sports a rather nasty kidney injury owing to Fenris' ill timed magic hand strike back in the first round.

 

Shale is more literally falling apart. Her stone is well aged and has begun to crumble away as a result of Morrigan's entropic onslaught, and if not for an errant lightning bolt, that storm would have quite literally washed her away. This after taking a serious beating dispatching Zathrian the previous round. She's no longer capable of digging bedrock from the earth to hurl about.

 

-STEN- In her softened state, Shale is no match for even the anemic, slowly dying Arishok. His celebration is a sobre affair, but there is cake.

 

So from these the champion, and this the end.

 

erm... their supposed to be in their fully rested and repaired states....
 

[TheLittleBird]

I'm honestly shocked that either of these are in the final. Treating this as an actual tournament, even given the time between matches, I'm considering them as extreme underdogs that both managed to never the less survive somehow, both virtually falling apart from their earlier wounds.

 

First, Sten's plate armor would not stop or meaningfully protect him from martial style arrows fired from a longbow, a finely tuned war bow, at what is very short range for the weapon. I've seen what longbows do to plate armor at that range, and Leliana was an expert marksman. So entering this duel, Sten consequently has a collapsed lung, a crippled leg, and is anemic from bloodloss from that third gut shot. He crossed quickly and seemingly willed himself to the bloody win. He also sports a rather nasty kidney injury owing to Fenris' ill timed magic hand strike back in the first round.

 

Shale is more literally falling apart. Her stone is well aged and has begun to crumble away as a result of Morrigan's entropic onslaught, and if not for an errant lightning bolt, that storm would have quite literally washed her away. This after taking a serious beating dispatching Zathrian the previous round. She's no longer capable of digging bedrock from the earth to hurl about.

 

-STEN- In her softened state, Shale is no match for even the anemic, slowly dying Arishok. His celebration is a sobre affair, but there is cake.

 

So from these the champion, and this the end.

 

Did you read the post regarding the final?

 

ROUND 5 - The Final

 

(IMPORTANT - Read everything before voting!)

 

My my, ladies and gentlemen, it's been an exciting tournament, with lots of great fights, lots of surprises, but most of all an amazing crowd! Now, join us on the roof of Fort Drakon, where the ballistas have been removed and replaced by stands. The combatants will start the match at a distance of 10 meters away from each other, which is about 33 feet. Both combatants will get an appropriate amount of time to rest from all of their previous fights.

[TheLittleBird]

Voting on ROUND 5 will close in approx. 6 hours

[Gearwarden]

Throwing my hat in with Shale.

[TheLittleBird]

Throwing my hat in with Shale.

 

Again, did you read the post about the final?

You need to give reasoning for your vote before I can count it.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Shale. I doubt any sword that Sten has can do any huge damage to her and all the gems Shale has will make quick work of Sten.

 

Shales got it all, really. Pure strength and resistance to almost all physical and magic attacks.

[LostInReverie19]

Shale. Sten is strong, and he has a hammer, but I think he would only be able to get in a few solid blows before Shale decided to squish him with her sheer bulk and might. 

[TheLittleBird]

Voting on ROUND 5 is now closed

[DrBlingzle]

Damn.

[TheLittleBird]

And the winner is...

 

SHALE

 

 

'Shale' by AbigailRyder on deviantART

 

In a heated battle against the almighty Arishok everyone knows as 'Sten', one of the Heroes of the Blight, this formidable golem came out as the victor, when her iron fists smashed the Qun's military leader to death. After the fight, when the dust settled on the top of Fort Drakon, it appears that more than just the hornless warrior had suffered under the destructive power. The stands, the balconies, even the entrance to the tower had taken a few hits, and the amount of casualties is still unknown. Historians are already calling it the "greatest duel of this Age", and some would even go as far as to say it's the best Thedas has ever seen. Orzammar and the dwarven thaigs have issued a statement saying they're "proud of what this golem had received", and they're looking for ways to reward Caridin's creation. The King of Orzammar has already ordered a statue to be built in Shale's honour.

Meanwhile, the Qun has not yet issued a statement, though we have received reports of uproar coming from Seheron. There's already whispers going around that the Qunari might even try to invade Tevinter again. The White Divine in Orlais, who issued a statement on the tournament yesterday, said this would be "extremely foolish", and she'd be ready to call on a new Exalted March, should the Qunari intend to invade the mainland. "A situation like this would threaten the entirety of Thedas, and when that would happen both Chantries would have to put their differences aside. I don't want the Qunari to repeat their actions at Kirkwall on a larger scale."

For now, though the rest of Thedas grieves for its fallen heroes, many applaud the tournament's success. Ferelden's ruler called it "a great way for the common people to put their attention into something else than the disasters happening around us". We now ask of you:

 

What did you think of the tournament? What did I do right, what do you think I could have done better? Do you agree with the votes, or the different match-ups? The thread is now open for discussion below.

 

I'd also like to thank everyone who commented and voted on this thread, and am really grateful for the fact that this thread didn't descend into flamewars and page after page of pointless debate, as I expected when I started it, to be frank.

[Silver Moone]

I have to say I think the fights were well matched...rogue with rogue...mage with mage etc 

 

I like that you made everyone give their reasons for why they thought a person would win the fight, hopefully that eliminated people choosing their favourite characters. 

 

All in all I think it was handled very well...thanks for creating such a great thread...it was fun and exciting waiting for the results  

 

Also love your other thread Party Banters...which if anyone wants a good laugh can be found here  

[ElementalFury106]

No. Just no.

 

The results are simply too disagreeable to be honest. HOWEVER, thank you OP. This was very fun to participate in and debate. You picked some good matches against each other, hats off to you sir.

[Beerfish]

Sten is quite literally one of the weakest companions in the either game if you ask me, strictly from an actual game play point of view.  There is no character that went down more frequently for me than him.  Big, heavy hitting, slow moving two hander .

[ElementalFury106]

Sten is quite literally one of the weakest companions in the either game if you ask me, strictly from an actual game play point of view.  There is no character that went down more frequently for me than him.  Big, heavy hitting, slow moving two hander .

 

^ yep. He also only got one specialization per playthrough.

 

But this competition wasn't to include actual gameplay mechanics, so it's irrelevant. Sten's actual lore character is way stronger than how he ended up being in the game.

[TheLittleBird]

No. Just no.

 

The results are simply too disagreeable to be honest. HOWEVER, thank you OP. This was very fun to participate in and debate. You picked some good matches against each other, hats off to you sir.

 

Oh, there were some results that I found myself disagreeing with as well, however it is not my place to judge. 

And thank you very much, I appreciate that. I did my best 

[The Baconer]

I can't think of a grander conclusion to this tournament than Shale performing an Ultimate Atomic Buster from the very top of Fort Drakon.

[NoForgiveness]

Honestly, I don't think Sten or Shale should have made it to the end. Neither one really seem to be like super amazing fighters, by any stretch. I think Shale had an unfair advantage in the beginning with ogre, Cailan, and maybe even Zathrian. I mean their NPCs that aren't super important, so it seems kind of natural that people would vote against them. I also think popularity doomed/helped several people. Tallis is the one that sticks out. Because she's kinda sort of not liked(see side note), I feel that doomed her in the first round. Especially since she was up against Sigrun, who is alot more popular. Though in reality I think Tallis is an excellent fighter that really should've lasted at least a couple of rounds more. I also think that Alistair should've made it a lot farther. It just seems like he was really underestimated. But overall it was fun and a nice change of pace from the usual boredom around here. If you do make another, you should definitely switch it up to give people more diversity in their fights.

 

 

 

Side note: I say "kinda sort of not liked" because I feel she's wrongfully blamed for the way her character is implemented into the dlc.