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[Just My Moniker]

Fight A: Sigrun

 

I say this because I think that even though Leliana would have a bit of an edge with her ranged attacks, if Sigrun got close then she would merely overpower Leliana.

 

Fight B: Sten

 

I think Sten would win because, even though I think Loghain and him are relatively equal, Sten is a qunari and thus is stronger than a human. Also, Loghain does appear to be getting on in years which wouldnt help him.

 

Fight C: Morrigan

 

Merrill may have quite the offensive magic, but so does Morrigan. And Morrigan is also a lot more cunning and brutal than Merrill.

 

Fight D: Shale 

 

Zathrian's magic would do little damage to a hard rock that is storming at him. Also, Zathrian's spells must take at least a little bit of time to cast, and time is not something Shale would give him.   Edit: Also Shale isnt too fond of mages so that might give her a little extra incentive 

[BronzTrooper]

Sigrun because she's more skilled at fighting up close and personal.  Plus, she can go into stealth, so Leliana won't have anything to shoot her arrows at.

 

Sten because, again, reach and power.

 

This is a tough one, but I'd have to say Merrill simply because of her blood magic.

 

Shale because she does not like mages all that much, and Zathrian's nature magic won't do much.  Not to mention that his blood magic is pretty useless against a golem.

[NoForgiveness]

A. Leliana - More maneuverable, has a bow, Sigrun would tire faster(heavier armor) 

B. Loghain...? - hard to say but the ol' gut is telling me Loghain

C. Morrigan - Its really unknown how much power she actually has. While merril has a good offensive line up and blood magic, I feel morrigan has a lot more tricks up her.... gloves?

D. Shale - solid rock and previously a dwarf. So id think it/she would have enough resistance to get close and squash him.

[ElementalFury106]

ROUND 3

 

 

Fight A

Leliana. 7:3. She has a more varied arsenal/move set than Sigrun. Can neutralize her in several forms, ranged or up close. Quicker than Sigrun, who is more of a tank with heavy armor. Leliana fights with finesse while Sigrun fights aggressively, I'd say Leliana out-maneuvers her and takes her out.

 

Fight B

Loghain. 6:4 Let it be noted that I strongly feel that neither of these two should've made it this far. This is a rather tough battle, but ultimately I give the win to Loghain, simply because he is a better tactician than Sten. We know this considering the events of Origins, where Loghain systematically proven to be a brilliant strategist while Sten displayed impatience and reckless procedure of combating of the Blight. He'd know to wear down Sten and his heavy swings/attacks. Deflect and endure what he can, avoid what he can't. He'd capitalize when Sten shows fatigue, take the first opening he gets to deliver the fatal blow.

 

Fight C

Morrigan. 10:0. Without question. Let it be noted that never in a million years would I believe Merrill could defeat Wynne. Morrigan is older, wiser, more confident, and has way more tricks up her sleeve besides Blood Magic. In fact, Morrigan's Blood Magic is more ancient and refined (oxymoron hehe) than Merrill's conventional display of Blood Magic. She'd crush her. 

 

Fight D

Zathrian. 6:4. Shale is damn near indestructible, but not invincible. Zathrian knows enough of the old magics to know how to properly neutralize a golem. He'd incapacitate "her" before she even gets close to him. I feel that Shale may win this solely based on either popularity, or the idea that she is practically invincible, how people view her as a special kind of golem. She is NOT special, she is only special in the sense that she is free of a control rod. Freedom does not equal immortality. She can be defeated like any other golem.

[LPPrince]

The year is 9:41 Dragon. The sky has been torn asunder, the Veil has been Breached, and the demon hordes are spreading across the lands. But that is not all this terrible event has brought us; because right here, at the gates of our beloved Denerim, portals have opened. To dimensions we never even deemed possible. Out stepped heroes whom we know from the past decade as the heroes who shaped the world into what it is today, and they seek to fight. To the death.
Cometh all, to the Markets of Denerim, to witness the greatest tournament ever held, a fortnight from now on the eve of the 17th of Justinian, and take your place in the stands. And when the time comes to decide the best warrior in all of Thedas (rogues, mages and beasts included in that title)... you will need to cast your vote.

 

So I suddenly got the idea of making up a Dragon Age-tournament, pitching companions and NPC's from all the games that have been released (so not Inquisition) against each other. And you guys will decide who wins. So, how does it work? Well, below I have posted 16 fights. The winner of one fight will go up against the winner of the following fight in the next round. So if Leliana wins fight A, and Zevran wins fight B, they will be each other's foes in the next round, and so and so on.

You guys will decide who wins. I'm going to ask you to read through the fights, pick the one you think would win (and try to keep it as real as possible, so Varric won't win because of his Blinding Chest-Hair or something like that), plus reasoning, and post your list down below. After a few days I will gather the votes, count them, and pick a winner for each fight, so we will know who gets to be in the next rounds. If there's a stalemate? We'll see when, and if, that happens.
 

ROUND 3 - Voting is open now!

 

The fighting for this round has moved to the Gallows Courtyard as it was before the events of Dragon Age 2, but with the statues removed, and the stairs and entrances to the courtyard closed off. Combatants will fight to the death to ensure a spot in Round 4. They will start 20 meters apart, and the fight will last until one of both is dead. When you cast your vote, try to go off the lore and what is posted below,  not the games' combat mechanics. 

 

When you cast your vote, write down why you think the person you voted for would win. Only vote on the fights listed below, and not the fights for Rounds 1 and 2. If you fail to give any reasoning or your reasoning sounds like personal preference or mere joking, your votes won't be taken into account when choosing the winners.

 

Fight A

Leliana - Leliana is both a Seeker and a Bard, trained as she was under Marjolaine, of whom she now carries the bow. During her time with the Hero of Ferelden, she was hardened. Previously in the tournament, Leliana defeated both Varric and Isabela.

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Sigrun - After the events in Amaranthine, Sigrun remained a Grey Warden, still reaping the benefits of her training as a member of the Legion of the Dead. Previously in the tournament, Sigrun defeated both Tallis and Nathaniel Howe.

 

20 meters is a little over 65 feet. Leliana is an extremely talented archer. Sigrun has heavy armor. Last go around, Leliana beat Isabella, who was fast on her feet. Sigrun beat Nathaniel, who was an archer much like Leliana. Who wins? Leliana. This time because she's had practice having to attack a faster opponent. Sigrun will be slow, and 65 feet of range combined with Leliana being more lithe and mobile will give her enough time to aim her shots at the joints in Sigrun's armor. Sigrun never makes it to her, she'll be too slow, basically a walking archery block for someone who had a tougher time hitting a faster opponent prior.

 

Fight B

Sten - After the Blight and the death of the previous one in Kirkwall, Sten became the new Arishok. He still carries Asalaa, the sword the Warden gave him. Previously in the tournament, Sten defeated both Fenris and Aveline.

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Loghain - After the Blight, Loghain remained a Warden, and is still positively affected by his training as a Fereldan general. Previously in the tournament, Loghain defeated both Justice and Oghren.

 

This one was a close one, but Loghain's strategic use of memory is what gets him by. In this scenario, I would normally give it to Sten, assuming he would overpower Loghain's sword and shield much as he did Aveline. But there's one thing Loghain has that Aveline didn't;knowledge of Sten's style of combat. Loghain fought beside The Warden and Sten once he was made a Grey Warden, a necessity to face the Archdemon. As part of The Warden's crew, he made special note of the combative prowess and minute details in the battle tactics of each of The Warden's fellow compatriots, just in case a scenario much like this one occurred. Sten didn't see it coming, Loghain gets him with foresight and telegraphing. Always five moves ahead.

 

Fight C

Merrill (DA2) - Besides having been trained as a Keeper's First, Merrill is also a Blood Mage, and she has been reaping the benefits of the knowledge she got after fixing the broken Eluvian in her home. Previously in the tournament, Merrill defeated both Velanna and Wynne.

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Morrigan (DA:O) - Morrigan never went through with the Dark Ritual she offered to the Warden. She holds in her possession her mother's grimoires, which the Warden gave her. She is still a Shapeshifter, as she was during the Blight. Previously in the tournament, Morrigan defeated both Grey Warden Bethany and Awakening's Anders.

 

Not the easiest of battles for Morrigan, but she takes this one. Whatever knowledge of eluvians Merrill has, Morrigan has more. Whatever knowledge of blood magic Merrill has, Morrigan has more. Whatever knowledge Merrill has at all, Morrigan has more. Morrigan, besides being an extremely powerful mage herself and one who does her homework, she also has access to not one but two very informative extremely powerful grimoires to help add to her abilities. She also has already put down not one but two mages in battle. She takes Merrill by surprise, on top of taking advantage of Merrill's soft demeanor.

 

Fight D

Shale - Having travelled with the Hero of Ferelden, Shale knows her true identity, and she has also been equipped with Brilliant Crystals. Previously in the tournament, Shale defeated both an Ogre and Cailan, the King of Ferelden.

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Zathrian - A Keeper as well as a Blood Mage, Zathrian has been around for over 300 years, thus having a lot of experience when it comes to battle. Previously in the tournament, Zathrian defeated both Keeper Marethari and Jarvia.

 

This one should've absolutely been Zathrian's win, but it was also his to lose. I take it he does what he can to stop Shale as one swing and she takes him down. He believes he can, but it doesn't work entirely, and Shale gets him. Zathrian simply isn't equipped to beat a golem, even with his magic, as blood doesn't beat stone. Thats not even considering her crystals;if she's got the right ones, even IF he had magic that would affect her, she'd have a resistance to it. That dwarf won't quit.

 

^up above

[Feybrad]

Fight A:

I give it to Sigrun. Leliana is a talented Archer, but I still think, Sigrun's Legionairre Training would give her the Advantage. It is extremely difficult to hit a Target moving towards one, and Sigrun is armoured on top of that. And even if, by Chance, a weak Spot of the Armour is penetrated, I doubt it would take out the Dwarf. Plus, I don't think Leliana is that much of a Prodigy as an Archer, as her Strengths as a Bard didn't come maorly from open Combat, but more from Subterfuge and Intrigue. The Legion of the Dead on the other Hand is an Army, trained for Combat, and Sigrun is an outstanding Member of that Legion.

 

Fight B:

Sten. What a lot of People in this Thread seem to forget, is, that Sten is the Arishok. Loghain may still be a great tactician, but Sten is (unlike Oghren, who in my Book still should've overpowered an aging Loghain) not a rage driven idiot. You don't get to be Arishok by being a charging Moron. Sten is an extremely accomplished and experienced Soldier and has the Advantage of being younger, bigger and stronger on top of that. He will defeat Loghain without a Doubt.

 

Fight C:

Merrill. People have given her the Advantage of Blood Magic from Round One. They even had her defeat Wynne, which I find utterly ridiculous. So, what does Morrigan hold against that? Shapeshifting, being a real ******* and her Mothers very unspecified Secrets which we cannot judge beyond a dark Ritual an walking trough Eluvians? No, sorry, I'm not buying that. If Merrill defeated Wynne via Blood magic, then Morrigan will fall before her Feet, too.

 

Fight D:

This should've been the Finale. The Fight of all Fights in this Tournament. Here the undoubtedly strongest of all our Combatants are pitted against each other and it would be an extremely close Match. But in the End, Zathrian has to relinquish the use of his Blood Magic, which will be the fatal Disadvantage, so Shale will be able to crush the squishy Elf. She is, undoubtedly, the strongest and most fearsome Combatant of this Tournament.

[DumSheeps]

Leliana vs Morrigan in the finals. I am willing to sacrifice myself to be the host of the fight with pillows.

[NoForgiveness]

The Legion of the Dead on the other Hand is an Army, trained for Combat, and Sigrun is an outstanding Member of that Legion.

 

 

 

Wait what? She only survived because she abandoned her unit... that doesn't spell outstanding to me... Also I don't think ive heard anything about the legion being trained. As far as I can tell they go through a funeral and then go right out to the deep roads. Id say their pretty much even on experience/killing darkspawn.
 

[Feybrad]

Wait what? She only survived because she abandoned her unit... that doesn't spell outstanding to me... Also I don't think ive heard anything about the legion being trained. As far as I can tell they go through a funeral and then go right out to the deep roads. Id say their pretty much even on experience/killing darkspawn.

 

It's been a long Time since I played Awakening, could remember that wrong. Still, the Legion of the Dead is an Army and everyone in an Army has to have some Training in fighting and killing Things. I stay with my Vote. Bards don't strike me as Fighters.

[LPPrince]

Damn. You convinced me. Loghain it is. I'm changing my vote.

 

Hah, make a note above your reason for the Loghain win in your post so people don't do a double take when they see the same explanation twice.

[TheLittleBird]

Too many popular votes. I don't see a bard/thief/agent winning against someone who fought darkspawn 24/7 before becoming a Warden... and was in the Carta before that.

 

Sigrun has been battling darkspawn all her life, yes, and she's been trained as a member of the Legion of the Dead. But Leliana's no darkspawn, and Sigrun's no archer. They start 20 meters away from each other, which should theoretically give Leliana some time to shoot a few arrows. Leli's a bard, trained in the killing of other, highly intelligent beings like humans. She's not trained to fight only darkspawn, like Sigrun is. Besides, she fought alongside the Warden during the Blight, and faced many a foe. Yes, Sigrun also fought alongside the Warden, but less.

And while it is true that Sigrun survived the darkspawn assault on the Legion at Kal'Hirol, Sigrun did not survive by fighting. She was scared, and ran. So that shouldn't be taken into account, at least in my opinion. 

 

And apart from that, Leliana's not only a worthy archer, but also skilled in close combat, with weapons or without. Again, she's a bard.

All in all, my vote would have gone out to her, even though I think it'd be a tough one.

[Beerfish]

First of all....Sten beating Aveline?  Have you people gone mad????  Now on to the voting.

 

Leliana - she will call on the wrathful hand of the maker to smite her foes.

 

Loghain - Sten got so beat up in beating aveline last round that loghain whomps him.

 

Fight C

Merrill (DA2) - of all her talk Morrigan was really not much without the warden, Merril consorts with demons, its now raining demons, merril wins.

 

Fight D

Shale - If this even a question?  Shale already squashed bossy squishy mage, whats another?

[DrBlingzle]

Right, again, I'll do this quickly.

1. Leliana. This ones pretty close but here we go. At twenty meters I think she would be able to fire several arrows sigruns way before Sigrun would be able to close the gap. And even then Leliana (lore wise) is just as skilled at close combat as Sigrun.
2. Sten. Where Loghain has age, Sten has zealot ferocity. If loghain was back in his prime then I'm not sure who would win but right here and now I think the battle would go to Sten.
3. Morrigan. A very close fight as I think power-wise they are pretty evenly matched but in the end I think Morrigan would use her wit and determination to tip the battle in her favour. She also has much more of a killing instinct than Merril has.
4. Shale. Up close she would crush him, if he tried to run she would crush him with a boulder

[Aolbain]

Fight A

Sigrun, her small size would let her close the distance without getting hit and once up close I think she is far more ...ferocious.

 

Fight B

Sten. While he and Loghain might be his equal or even superior in skill Sten holds the advantage in both size and age.

 

Fight C

Morrigan. In raw power I'm not so sure but Morrgian definetly got the smarts that Merrill lacks and holds a ruthless streak.

 

Fight D

Zathrian. If a man can construct a supercurse, he can kill a golem.

[Gwydden]

Fight A

Leliana vs Sigrun: This was a tough one, and I was going to write a somewhat lengthy explanation detailing my decision, but someone already did:

Sigrun has been battling darkspawn all her life, yes, and she's been trained as a member of the Legion of the Dead. But Leliana's no darkspawn, and Sigrun's no archer. They start 20 meters away from each other, which should theoretically give Leliana some time to shoot a few arrows. Leli's a bard, trained in the killing of other, highly intelligent beings like humans. She's not trained to fight only darkspawn, like Sigrun is. Besides, she fought alongside the Warden during the Blight, and faced many a foe. Yes, Sigrun also fought alongside the Warden, but less. And while it is true that Sigrun survived the darkspawn assault on the Legion at Kal'Hirol, Sigrun did not survive by fighting. She was scared, and ran. So that shouldn't be taken into account, at least in my opinion.  And apart from that, Leliana's not only a worthy archer, but also skilled in close combat, with weapons or without. Again, she's a bard.

Fight B

Sten vs Loghain: Another tough choice. They're both skilled, disciplined warriors. Loghain is a master tactician, though I would say the same is likely true of Sten, to some extent at least. Again, he is the supreme military commander of the Qunari, who are not known for their lack of efficiency, precisely. But Loghain is more experienced and has given more proof of his abilities, and he can always dig up his old archery skills... I think.

 

Fight C

Merrill (DA2) vs Morrigan (DA:O): The only thing Merrill has that would stand out in a duel is blood magic. I am pretty sure Morrigan is no strange to that concept, and she also has shapeshifting and Flemeth's grimoire. Plus, Morrigan has more of the relentless determination that would take to win that duel. She spent a year fighting a Blight, while Merrill spent seven doing little more than looking at a mirror.

 

Fight D

Shale vs  Zathrian: What is the most effective thing against golems? Magic. What is the thing Shale hates and fears the most? Birds. Okay, the next thing she hates and fears the most? Mages. And Zathrian is not just any mage, he is a centuries old keeper with crazy blood magic skills (like Merrill, but with actual skills and experience). Sure, he would get in trouble if Shale just managed to get close enough, but he can use his summoning abilities and distract her with some shades or similar demon. Plus, magic shielding. As long as Shale wasn't close (and she starts far enough from him and is slow enough so that will take a while) she's done for.

[FairfaxGal]

Fight A
Leliana - Leliana is both a Seeker and a Bard, trained as she was under Marjolaine, of whom she now carries the bow. During her time with the Hero of Ferelden, she was hardened. Previously in the tournament, Leliana defeated both Varric and Isabela.
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Sigrun - After the events in Amaranthine, Sigrun remained a Grey Warden, still reaping the benefits of her training as a member of the Legion of the Dead. Previously in the tournament, Sigrun defeated both Tallis and Nathaniel Howe.
 
Sigrun - her armor keeps her alive until she can close with Leliana and then she wears Leliana down with her overall toughness. While Leliana is quicker, Sigrun is too canny to let Leliana get behind her once they they get out of archery range.

Fight B
Sten - After the Blight and the death of the previous one in Kirkwall, Sten became the new Arishok. He still carries Asalaa, the sword the Warden gave him. Previously in the tournament, Sten defeated both Fenris and Aveline.
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Loghain - After the Blight, Loghain remained a Warden, and is still positively affected by his training as a Fereldan general. Previously in the tournament, Loghain defeated both Justice and Oghren.
 
Sten - Closer fight than most would expect because Loghain can draw on all that tactical expertise. But Sten is younger and bigger and equally good as a warrior and those attributes would give him the victory.

Fight C
Merrill (DA2) - Besides having been trained as a Keeper's First, Merrill is also a Blood Mage, and she has been reaping the benefits of the knowledge she got after fixing the broken Eluvian in her home. Previously in the tournament, Merrill defeated both Velanna and Wynne.
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Morrigan (DA:O) - Morrigan never went through with the Dark Ritual she offered to the Warden. She holds in her possession her mother's grimoires, which the Warden gave her. She is still a Shapeshifter, as she was during the Blight. Previously in the tournament, Morrigan defeated both Grey Warden Bethany and Awakening's Anders.
 
Morrigan - while I do believe that Merrill is a lot tougher than she acts/seems, Morrigan has more experience and is just overall more ruthless than Merrill. If Merrill could survive the first couple of minutes she might make a battle of it but Morrigan won't give her that time.

Fight D
Shale - Having travelled with the Hero of Ferelden, Shale knows her true identity, and she has also been equipped with Brilliant Crystals. Previously in the tournament, Shale defeated both an Ogre and Cailan, the King of Ferelden.
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Zathrian - A Keeper as well as a Blood Mage, Zathrian has been around for over 300 years, thus having a lot of experience when it comes to battle. Previously in the tournament, Zathrian defeated both Keeper Marethari and Jarvia.

Zathrian - this would be an epic battle but Golems are most easily taken down by mages and Zathrian is a very very powerful mage and not afraid to do what it takes to win.

[Will-o'-wisp]

Fight A:

Leliana
vs
Sigrun

 

I'd say that Sigrun is the winner in this fight. She's smaller, faster and armored heavier. While she's especially experienced in close combat (which she will be able to force on Leliana imo) Leliana as a bard has a varied set of skills, but hasn't mastered combat as much as Sigrun.



Fight B:

Sten
vs
Loghain

 

Sten will win this fight. Loghain may have more experience, but he's also old and not that much better of a General than Sten imo. Sten's the leader of the Qunari's army, a giant, fierce warrior who fought alongside the warden and eventually his strength paired with his intelligence will be his advantage against Loghain. The fight doesn't take place in a terrain where Loghains sense for tactics will be of great use.



Fight C:

Merrill (DA2)
vs
Morrigan (DA:O)

 

I think Morrigan is superior in this one. She's less hesitant than Merrill and will do whatever it takes to survive. If we're treating specialisations in the light of roleplaying (and not ingame-usefulness), her ability to shapeshift ist also a huge advantage. She can either use great force as a huge animal like a bear or the speed of a wolf while avoiding attacks by turning into a small animal like a fly or bird.

Fight D:

Shale
vs
Zathrian

 

I honestly know Close to nothing about Shale since I never took her along, but I know that Zathrian is one mighty mage, so I guess he'd win this one.

[LvrdAjay]

Fight A
Leliana Wins
 
Fight B
Sten Wins

Fight C
Morrigan (DA:O) Wins

Fight D
Zathrian Wins

[foxfeathers]

Fight A

Leliana - I think Leliana's got this one. I've never had a high opinion of her but after seeing that cutscene in the DA:I demo - dang. If she can hold off a bunch of demons who just knocked out Sera and got past the Iron Bull while having an arrow in her chest, she can beat Sigrun.

 

Fight B

Sten - Sten is bigger, stronger, younger... and Sten is also smart. It'd be a long battle I think, but Sten would win.

 

Fight C

Morrigan (DA:O) - These two seem pretty on par, apart from the fact that Merrill is incredibly meek compared to Morrigan. Morrigan would intimidate Merrill - she is the daughter of Asha'bellanar, after all.

 

Fight D

Shale - But only if she knew who she was fighting beforehand and equipped nature resistance crystals. Else this fight goes to Zathrian.

[BloodyTalon]

Only going to vote on trhis one
 

Fight B: Sten


He is bad ass if he went through his last two fights well enough, both of those would be more a challange then an old man by now and lets face Aveline's style is close to his and he already beat a sword and style person another puny human wouldn't stand a chance.

[BloodyTalon]

You're looking at it all wrong. Everyone knows Sten is physically superior to Loghain. There's no question about it. The things is that Loghain is intelligent enough to make Sten fight on his terms and somewhere along the way he'd find an advantage. And like Prince said, Loghain fought along side Sten and is familiar with his combat style and would've adjusted accordingly.

Also Sten while younger has been training to be what he is since his youth so experience is moot in the end, and given based on certian things he has fought a lot of Tal-vasooth in his homeland and they are fairly tricky. Remember some of the things he did not talk abo about directly. He has always fought, so has loghian  and both have tactical thinking, so it comes down to physical abiltities, they wouldn't be able to outsmart each other.

Sorry for typos and errors.

[Zehealingman]

Fight A

Leliana. I do believe that Leliana is more capable in combat then Sigrun. But then, it would probally depend on who gets the first blow. But if we ignore ignore stuff like Archery or the first blow and look at it as a simple duel? I'd say Leliana. She is probally more agile then Sigrun is. Just looking at the Lead Them or Fall trailer, oh boyyyy.

 

Fight B

Sten - Oblivously he is stronger then Loghain, no doubt there. Now, if Loghain isn't getting any outside help, I'd say he is done. He probally isnt the youngest anymore and that taint can't help either. I know, I know. Loghain is a master of tactics. But I simply don't think that this would help him. Sten isn't that dumb after all.

 

 

Fight C

Morrigan (DA:O) - Morrigan would clean the floor with our little First, IMO. She may be a bloodmage, but Morrigan probally knows spells more dangerous then bloodmagic.

 

Fight D

Zathrian -  Zathrian is a very strong mage, knowing Dalish spells normal mages coudln't even think off. Who says he doesn't know a spell that would simply open a hole in the floor right where Shale is standing (Like Velannas teleport spell), trapping our favourite golem forever there.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

I'd go for Loghain because if Alistair can beat Sten (Or Arishok) then I definitely believe that Loghain could kick his ass.