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[Brass_Buckles]

I admit, part of me thinks BioWare deserves the goodies for continuing to do a great job with representation--but part of me thinks that maybe the first time was all about encouragement/a sort of culinary thank-you-high-five-good-job-keep-it-up... and I wonder if we should be rewarding them again quite so soon.

 

Not that it's a terrible idea, or anything.  It's just something I've thought about.   They're leagues ahead of the other major developers (there are indies out there who probably do better, even), but there is always room for improvement.  They've been doing a good job with their marketing thus far, but I wonder how we will feel after playing the game?

 

On the one hand, the team will be disbanded post-release.  On the other hand, we may be rewarding them pre-emptively (assuming we ship out another reward in October) and end up disappointed with the actual in-game representation.  Now, to be fair it is BioWare and that's kind of unlikely considering how good a job they've done thus far.  Still, it's another thing to think about--should we continue to reward them for JUST marketing, or should we actually wait to see what the game is like first?

 

Also, I want it to be clear that we're doing this to be nice, and to show support for representation in general--and not because we want more media attention or fame or what-have-you.  While the Examiner article was nice and it didn't really garner much attention, there might be some people who hope they'll end up on Twitter or in some online news article.  I was kind of surprised no news sites picked it up on their own, sure--but then after the fact, considering how much vitriol poured out of the dark recesses of the Internet (blaming us of attention-seeking, etc) I kind of regretted that it DID get media attention... if that makes sense.

 

Not trying to be a downer here.  I'm tired and maybe I'm not expressing myself all that well.  But I guess my point is I don't want this to turn into that attention-seeking behavior we were accused of, and I also don't want this to become a "let's send goodies to BioWare every so often just because we feel like it" thing. Not that there's anything wrong with doing so, but I feel like the original purpose (albeit expanded upon) needs to apply.  So we shouldn't be sending goodies out every X amount of months unless BioWare really does something that deserves it.  If we can do that, if we have benchmarks for what earns cupcakes/goodies and nice notes, then I think the gesture will mean more.

 

... If any of that made sense.

[aTigerslunch]

Yeah, I dont want it to be garnered as attention seeking. I know for the previous one, I wanted it having attention after the fact to help reverse the badcake deal at that point.

I would prefer sending, say, February or something next year but that isnt feasible. i dont want the current members to miss out, which they most likely will by then.

[DragonRacer]

To be honest, Brass Buckles, I've been flip-flopping with those same thoughts as well.

 

Largely that the first Cupcakequisition meant so much (to both us AND to them) because it was specifically organized around a very core cause. It was a special thing, like catching lightning in a bottle.

 

I don't want another run to feel somehow empty or hollow or forced.

 

Hmmm...

[Lady Nuggins]

Hmm.  Yeah.  I've been feeling the same way, but I wasn't sure how to articulate it.

 

I feel like we had a clear purpose the first time.  This time, since it's so soon after, maybe not so much.

[Brass_Buckles]

Yeah, I'm having mixed feelings because on the one hand, the team won't be there anymore after launch.  But on the other, although they have been doing a great job with representation in general, they haven't done anything groundbreaking lately--they've simply continued to show things they already did.  I loved that they showed a black man as the Inquisitor in the CC at Gamescom.  And I love that they used a lady Inquisitor in their demo.

 

I also kind of feel like maybe my push for more of the Lady Inquisitor has pushed the Inquisidude to the background.  I definitely would not mind seeing more Inquisidude to balance it out, because it seems we're seeing a bit less of him now.  I probably should not feel guilty about that; after all women have been neglected in marketing for soooo long, and the latest trailer was Inquisidude.  And yet, guilty's precisely how I feel--can't be helped.

[Lady Nuggins]

I think, what I'm getting from this, is that the message that we wanted to send has been sent already.  And maybe we shouldn't push a repeat of it unless we have very good reason to.  I don't want what we did to become a hollow gesture, and I don't want to confirm the haters' beliefs that we'll send Bioware cupcakes no matter what they do (although jerks on the internet will think that regardless).

 

However, I'd love if we kept this group together, for any future endeavours.  It could be that Bioware does something jaw-droppingly awesome in the next few months that makes us scramble to send them cupcakes immediately.  Also, I like you guys, we can't break up the band now. 

 

I also kind of feel like maybe my push for more of the Lady Inquisitor has pushed the Inquisidude to the background.  I definitely would not mind seeing more Inquisidude to balance it out, because it seems we're seeing a bit less of him now.  I probably should not feel guilty about that; after all women have been neglected in marketing for soooo long, and the latest trailer was Inquisidude.  And yet, guilty's precisely how I feel--can't be helped.

 

Hey, don't forget the entire year that the Inquisidude had in the spotlight all by himself!  And the entire official website dedicated to his face.  And he just appeared in the new trailer today, and the CC preview featured only him.  I'd like if we saw more interesting versions of him without the helmet, but I think the Inquisidude is going to be just fine.  

 

Studies have shown that when a crowd consists of only 33% women, people perceive it as being more women than men.  We're trained to think that if women are getting almost as much attention as men, it is unequal in women's favour.  

[DragonRacer]

Oh, I'm definitely not talking about disbanding the group or shutting it down or anything!

 

But I'm not opposed to "putting it on ice", so to speak, here and available if something jaw-dropping crazy happens again that warrants a response. I imagine if a situation like that arises again, it wouldn't take long for us to "rally the troops" and then open the group up to an "open enrollment" period and get moving again. 

[aTigerslunch]

I just wish could give them something for a job well done when it came out. That would been the best for doing it. Anything else before that point seems a bit repetitive of previous one.

If they could of staid together for around a week or two after release. That would be good, hate thinking about their leaving.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Hey everyone - just wanted to let you know that I am off on blackout now and will no longer be haunting the forums every waking moment . I'll be back when I've finished Inquisition for the first time, probably at the start of December. (Depending on just how much time I spend picking elfroot and staring at Varric's chest ...)

 

If there ends up being another round before then, I would be very happy to participate. I'm going to keep this group bookmarked so I can visit sometimes without fear of spoilers, but I probably won't be around much. If someone ends up collecting money before I return, feel free to PM me about it! (I'll get any messages via e-mail.)

 

Anyway, it was lovely participating in the Cupcakequisition with you, and I will see you when the game is out!