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Corypheus, Peace Talks, and Breaching the Fade [Legacy DLC Spoilers]

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Posté 18 juin 2014 - 04:09

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I'm not sure if someone has already proposed this idea. If so, my apologies in advance!

 

I've talked elsewhere about why I think Corpyheus is the antagonist of Inquisition:

  • The villain has to have a connection to Tevinter and the venatori, given their ubiquitous presence in the game. Corypheus ceratinly qualifies as a Magister of old. 
  • A breach on this scale has only been created on one other occasion: when Corypheus and his men physically set foot in the faid and "tainted" the Maker's home.
  • Sandal's prophecy: "One day the magic will come back. All of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part, and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see." Corypheus lived around -395 Ancient (about 192 years before Andraste was born). Magic was commonplace and unregulated at the time. There was no chantry or Andrastian faith, either, which means that magic hadn't acquired that stigma which would plague mages in subsequent years.
  • There is a precedent for Corypheus whispering to people and influencing their actions (à la Sandal): in The World of Thedas, it says that "[His] influence penetrates the minds of even the most powerful mages."
  • He is too much of a loose thread. He was set free at the end of the Legacy DLC and has a fresh, new body. I doubt that he would be willing to retire peacefully in Tevinter after his lengthy imprisonment.

Another idea occurred to me yesterday. The last time that a breach on this scale was created, the Tevinter expended a great deal of human life in Blood Magic rituals. The World of Thedas says that the magisters "used magic, fueled by blood, to physically step into the Fade and approach the Golden City," and that "On extremely rare occassions, the Veil may tear. This may be done with powerful magic, or come about after the slaughter of a great many people in a short period of time."

 

Cassandra says that "thousands" perished in the explosion that disrupted the peace talks. It's pretty clear that someone used these deaths as the catalyst to open the Fade. My money is on Corypheus. He has the motive, means, and opportunity to make it happen.

 

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Divine Justinia V
Posté 18 juin 2014 - 04:12

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I really hope he is involved in at least some kind of form of antagonism in DA:I. There is so much potential for Corypheus, for obvious reasons, like his whole being an original-Magister-thing. I love your theory!


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Posté 18 juin 2014 - 04:13

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The only thing that I think might put the lid on this is that Legacy was optional content.

 

Would be intriguing though


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Posté 18 juin 2014 - 04:15

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Highly possible...

Afterall , the last thing he did was going to the Golden City for whatever reasons.

When he's fighting Hawke , he says something about "looking for the light".

 

For now he's the only one with the knowledge and the motive to do something like that .

Besides he's been betrayed , he's been tainted , and he's powerful.

He has nothing to lose.


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Posté 18 juin 2014 - 04:15

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The only thing that I think might put the lid on this is that Legacy was optional content.

 

True, but he was mentioned in WoT so maybe that's a small sign?


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Posté 18 juin 2014 - 04:17

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I remember D .Gaider saying even if you didn't play the DLC , those events happened.

Corypheus walking around Thedas is canon.


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Posté 18 juin 2014 - 04:17

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I don't think he'll be the main antagonist of the game, but I do feel he'll be involved

This is a good theory

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Posté 18 juin 2014 - 04:18

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The only thing that I think might put the lid on this is that Legacy was optional content.

 

Would be intriguing though

 

That's true, but Bioware has done this in the past. The Awakening expansion was entirely optional, but it introduced the mage-templar conflict as well as Anders and Justice, arguably the two most important characters in all of Dragon Age 2.

 

Also, the Witch Hunt DLC was optional, and it sets up the events of Inquisition.


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Divine Justinia V
Posté 18 juin 2014 - 04:23

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I remember D .Gaider saying even if you didn't play the DLC , those events happened.

Corypheus walking around Thedas is canon.

 

Yayayayay! I figured as much with a mention in the WoT but it's nice to hear it still.

 

I really hope we touch on more with him in Inquisition.


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Posté 18 juin 2014 - 04:24

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He's an interesting character, that's for sure.

 

But I sure as hell don't want to fight him on Nightmare again.


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Posté 18 juin 2014 - 04:26

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With the Keep, the DLC problem becomes less of an issue.

 

Corypheus' involvement would also explain why the Inquisition attacks the Grey Wardens, seeing as how he likely infiltrated their organization through Larius or Janeka.


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Posté 18 juin 2014 - 04:30

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I doubt he is the Big Bad of Inquisition. Based on TME Felassan has been working for the Big Bad for longer than Corypheus has been free, and why would a (maybe) Dalish elf be working for a Magister? Is Corypheus even a dreamer? I think Corypheus will play a part in the game, but I doubt he is the Big Bad. He is most likely the big bad of a future DA game.


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Posté 18 juin 2014 - 04:30

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I've found the full quote.

From David Gaider:

 

The events in the DA2 DLC's occurred, regardless of whether or not you played them. The Keep will reference their choices, and have defaults should you not have played them (or choose to input no choices).

 

The same applies to everything else--the events in DAO and DA2 also happened, regardless of whether or not you played them.


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Posté 18 juin 2014 - 04:31

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I have a dozen theories as to who's the villain of DAI, but I reeeeeeeeeeeallly doubt that it's Corypheus. The villain of the game has been manipulating events behind the scenes for a while now and Corypheus was released only recently (perhaps as late as Act 3). And if he survived, I truly believe that his loss cost Corypheus dearly. He doesn't have "a fresh new body," he lost his Very Powerful Old Body and is having to make do with a last-ditch replacement.

 

I would just note two things: Corypheus wasn't the only magister to enter the Golden City, and every argument in favour of making him a villain could also apply to one of his compatriots.  ;)


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Posté 18 juin 2014 - 04:35

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I have a dozen theories as to who's the villain of DAI, but I reeeeeeeeeeeallly doubt that it's Corypheus. The villain of the game has been manipulating events behind the scenes for a while now and Corypheus was released only recently (perhaps as late as Act 3). And if he survived, I truly believe that his loss cost Corypheus dearly. He doesn't have "a fresh new body," he lost his Very Powerful Old Body and is having to make do with a last-ditch replacement.

 

I would just note two things: Corypheus wasn't the only magister to enter the Golden City, and every argument in favour of making him a villain could also apply to one of his compatriots.  ;)

 

Well I think there's a master mind behind the chaos , I think it's Flemeth nemesis ...Fen'Harel.

And the dude is stuck in the fade.

Corypheus being just a tool who open up the breach , just like he used to be a tool who got the taint.

But still , I think we're going to kill Corypheus , and that thing in the fade will be untouchable.


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Posté 18 juin 2014 - 04:39

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It's likely since the DLC is canon.


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Posté 18 juin 2014 - 04:40

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I would just note two things: Corypheus wasn't the only magister to enter the Golden City, and every argument in favour of making him a villain could also apply to one of his compatriots.  ;)

 

Well of course, but he is the only one we know of that has more than likely possessed someone that is living and breathing in Thedas.


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Posté 18 juin 2014 - 04:46

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Whilst I do think it makes a compelling argument for him being -an- antagonist in Inquisition, I'm not convinced he'd be the 'Big Bad' simply because he was defeated before by Hawke, and recycling bosses doesn't seem likely to me. I do think he could very well be a henchman or co-conspirator of the Big Bad :)


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Posté 18 juin 2014 - 04:49

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I have this sneaking suspicion that Larius and Blackwall are related somehow, because I finished legacy again recently, and that was all I could see.(a skinny blight-ridden blackwall) would make Cory using him as a meatsuit that much more deliciously angsty :P

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Posté 18 juin 2014 - 04:53

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Whilst I do think it makes a compelling argument for him being -an- antagonist in Inquisition, I'm not convinced he'd be the 'Big Bad' simply because he was defeated before by Hawke, and recycling bosses doesn't seem likely to me. I do think he could very well be a henchman or co-conspirator of the Big Bad :)

This!

 

I'm sure he will have a hand in whatever's happening, but I don't think he is the true head Honcho. Say, why couldn't it be one of the remaining Old Gods? The next one in line was the Dragon of Mystery, wasn't it? I forget the name, be that would be a fitting foe for an Inquisitor, wouldn't it? What if he managed to escape confinement without getting tainted?

 

Edit: Razikale, that's the name of that dragon.


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Posté 18 juin 2014 - 04:54

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If he involved fine if he main antagonist to say i be disappointed would be a understatment


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Posté 18 juin 2014 - 04:54

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I have a dozen theories as to who's the villain of DAI, but I reeeeeeeeeeeallly doubt that it's Corypheus. The villain of the game has been manipulating events behind the scenes for a while now and Corypheus was released only recently (perhaps as late as Act 3). And if he survived, I truly believe that his loss cost Corypheus dearly. He doesn't have "a fresh new body," he lost his Very Powerful Old Body and is having to make do with a last-ditch replacement.

 

I would just note two things: Corypheus wasn't the only magister to enter the Golden City, and every argument in favour of making him a villain could also apply to one of his compatriots.  ;)

 

Corpheus wasn't always in captivity. WoT says that the Wardens "spent years studying him" until they realized that he was subtly influencing their thoughts and actions.

 

Also, I doubt that Corypheus' power is limited by his choice of a body. Look at Sandal .... he doesn't exactly strike you as a formidable presence, but we all saw what he did in DA 2.


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Posté 18 juin 2014 - 04:54

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I don't think, Corypheus is going to be the "ultimate Big Bad".

 

However, I could see him in kind of a "Loghain"-Position. While the Archdemon was certainly the "Big Bad" for origins, a greater Deal of the Plot and the Conflict derived from Loghain's Actions and Plans. He was a much more visible Antagonist than the Archdemon and had a much more wll rounded Arc built around him.

 

I can see the same Thing happening for Corypheus. You explained how he could have opened the Fade, he had the Motive, the Means and the Opportunity. However, other Arguments are also true - that he hasn't been around for a long Time again and that many manipulations had to be pulled beforehands.

 

I think, Corypheus could very well be responsible for the Tear and I think his Involvement in the Plot will drive a great Deal of the Story. The "ultimate big bad" however, will be taken by something, that was unleashed by the Breach. My Money is on a ridiculously powerful Spirit - personally I suspect the... Thing... that was responsible for tainting the golden City in the first Place (and thus creating the Darkspawn...) to be the Manipulator behind the Scenes and the greatest Threat unleashed by tearing the Veil.


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Posté 18 juin 2014 - 04:58

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Corpheus wasn't always in captivity. WoT says that the Wardens "spent years studying him" until they realized that he was subtly influencing their thoughts and actions.

That was centuries ago. He's been sealed away for the better part of a millenium.


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Posté 18 juin 2014 - 05:02

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This!

 

I'm sure he will have a hand in whatever's happening, but I don't think he is the true head Honcho. Say, why couldn't it be one of the remaining Old Gods? The next one in line was the Dragon of Mystery, wasn't it? I forget the name, be that would be a fitting foe for an Inquisitor, wouldn't it? What if he managed to escape confinement without getting tainted?

 

Edit: Razikale, that's the name of that dragon.

 

I don't believe the Old Gods are inherently evil, despite the Chantry's endless preaching to the contrary.

 

They have already been proven to be wrong on a number of occasions. The Chantry claims that the Golden City was the home of the Maker and that it was tainted when Corypheus and his men set foot there, but Corypheus tells Hawke that the city was already black when they entered the Fade.

 

Also, the remaining two Old Gods (Lusacan and Razikale) are still sleeping within the Deep Roads. There is no evidence that they have been awaken, no blight, and I doubt that the writers would introduce another one right on the heels of Origins.

 

Morrigan seemed to imply that the Old Gods are benevolent before they succumb to the taint. Hence her statement, "Some things are worth preserving."

 

Edit: thanks for contributing to the discussion so far everyone! These are all valid points. Not sure where I stand now. I definitely think Corypheus will have some role to play, as you have all said. Whether that will be as a Big Bad or not, time will tell. All I can say is that, if he is just a henchman, I'm terrified to know what the real threat is that's lurking behind the scenes.


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