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[myahele]

I wonder if there are other (un)awakened ancient magisters in the deep roads?

[thats1evildude]

The Chantry claims that the Golden City was the home of the Maker and that it was tainted when Corypheus and his men set foot there, but Corypheus tells Hawke that the city was already black when they entered the Fade.

 

Corypheus says they "sought the golden light" and there has been "darkness ever since." Both statements imply the city was indeed golden at one time.

 

I wonder if there are other (un)awakened ancient magisters in the deep roads?

 

It's possible. The darkspawn don't die of old age and a magister would be hard to kill, so ...

[Basement Cat]

I don't believe the Old Gods are inherently evil, despite the Chantry's endless preaching to the contrary.

 

They have already been proven to be wrong on a number of occasions. The Chantry claims that the Golden City was the home of the Maker and that it was tainted when Corypheus and his men set foot there, but Corypheus tells Hawke that the city was already black when they entered the Fade.

 

Also, the remaining two Old Gods (Lusacan and Razikale) are still sleeping within the Deep Roads. There is no evidence that they have been awaken, no blight, and I doubt that the writers would introduce another one right on the heels of Origins.

 

Morrigan seemed to imply that the Old Gods are benevolent before they succumb to the taint. Hence her statement, "Some things are worth preserving."

 

I'm just throwing ideas around, but as for the "benevolent" thing: Sandal's prophecy says that everyone would "be as they were before". That doesn't sound "evil" per say. And there being no evidence that Razikale awakened would be par for the course: it's the Dragon of Mystery! I'm not saying it would be an Arch Demon, just that it found a way to escape without getting tainted. Maybe Morrigan's son can find them?

 

It's a fun idea to toy with, at any rate. I hope they don't end the series without adressing the very real problem of those last two Old Gods.

[Reznore57]

Corypheus says they "sought the golden light" and there has been "darkness ever since."

 

I still find it strange how he said he was and still is looking for the "light".

It doesn't sound all that evil greedy ...

 

Something also strange , in Kirkwall the Imperium was trying to breach the veil on purpose.

They didn't achieve this because Andraste's army defeated them.

But it was after the first blight , and the magisters were still messing with the fade.

[Char]

I don't believe the Old Gods are inherently evil, despite the Chantry's endless preaching to the contrary.

 

They have already been proven to be wrong on a number of occasions. The Chantry claims that the Golden City was the home of the Maker and that it was tainted when Corypheus and his men set foot there, but Corypheus tells Hawke that the city was already black when they entered the Fade.

 

Also, the remaining two Old Gods (Lusacan and Razikale) are still sleeping within the Deep Roads. There is no evidence that they have been awaken, no blight, and I doubt that the writers would introduce another one right on the heels of Origins.

 

Morrigan seemed to imply that the Old Gods are benevolent before they succumb to the taint. Hence her statement, "Some things are worth preserving."

 

Edit: thanks for contributing to the discussion so far everyone! These are all valid points. Not sure where I stand now. I definitely think Corypheus will have some role to play, as you have all said. Whether that will be as a Big Bad or not, time will tell. All I can say is that, if he is just a henchman, I'm terrified to know what the real threat is that's lurking behind the scenes.

In Legacy, I got the distinct impression that Dumat had lured the magisters to the golden city. Benevolent or no, I wonder if an untainted Old God could wish to do a similar thing. I do think the idea of a return to the golden city will have a strong theme in this game, and whoever turns out to be driving it, I will be intrigued

[ManOfSteel]

The only thing that I think might put the lid on this is that Legacy was optional content.

 

Would be intriguing though

True, but BioWare staffers (David Gaider I believe?) have said that the events of the DLC happens regardless of whether or not you actually play it. We can assume that it will be mentioned in the Keep, and the events are listed in the timeline on the Dragon Age website.

[thats1evildude]

Actually he says "The light. We sought the golden light. You offered ... the power of the gods themselves. But it was ... black ... corrupt. Darkness ... ever since. How long? The city! It was supposed to be golden! It was supposed to be ours!"

 

Chantry was wrong. You are selectively editing.

 

 

I don't care for your accusations, Mr. Pot.

[Hellion Rex]

I remember D .Gaider saying even if you didn't play the DLC , those events happened.
Corypheus walking around Thedas is canon.

Agreed. If you think about it, if Hawke didn't go to stop Corypheus, the seal would have broken anyways, and Cory would have walked out probably through Janeka's body after she had defeated Larius.

[myahele]

What if Dumat + others didn't know that magisters going to the fade will result in the Taint?

 

After thousands of years of being sealed I am pretty sure they were desperate to leave their prisons. I am sure the magisters were deceived, but I doubt the Old Gods planned for the Taint to be born.

 

I do hope that atleast 1 Old God gets awakened, but not by darkspawn. I am genuinely curious what'll happen. Since the OGB is optional and there's only 2 Old God's left.

[Divine Justinia V]

Actually he says "The light. We sought the golden light. You offered ... the power of the gods themselves. But it was ... black ... corrupt. Darkness ... ever since. How long? The city! It was supposed to be golden! It was supposed to be ours!"

 

Chantry was wrong. You are selectively editing.

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=ziicA3hoW84

 

Yeah, this has always lead me to believe that the City was always corrupted

[Hellion Rex]

What if Dumat + others didn't know that magisters going to the fade will result in the Taint?

After thousands of years of being sealed I am pretty sure they were desperate to leave their prisons. I am sure the magisters were deceived, but I doubt the Old Gods planned for the Taint to be born.

I do hope that atleast 1 Old God gets awakened, but not by darkspawn. I am genuinely curious what'll happen. Since the OGB is optional and there's only 2 Old God's left.

I kinda agree. I think the Old Gods did trick the magisters into going to the City, but didn't know necessarily what would happen. I feel like the Taint was almost like a defense mechanism that triggered when the magisters crossed the Veil into the City. I have no freaking clue who or what left the Taint there though.

[Rychen]

So assuming that the city was black when the magisters got there, then Dumat knowingly tricked the magisters into opening the veil and going there using promises of a golden city that they could control.  Sure Cory could be confused, but when the guy that was there and responsible for the breach is claiming Dumat told him how, I am more inclined to take what he says more seriously.  Anyone that could claim otherwise is dead or MIA (or another darkspawn).  

 

I'm not sure I can agree with the assumption that the old gods could not have known that the city would corrupt the magisters because it would eventually lead to the old gods death.  By creating the darkspawn the old gods get freed from their underground slumber and obtain immortality (being able to jump into a soulless darkspawn vessel and reform into an archdemon).  When Dumat tricked the magisters into entering the golden city there was no known way to kill an old god, so why would it cross Dumat's mind that he would eventually be killed by grey wardens responding to the problem that he just created?  I do not think the old gods are benevolent or even neutral, but it is simply my opinion and is based on assumptions I have made from what very little we are told.

 

As for Cory, I do think he's causing problems and is likely directly responsible for whatever is going on with the Wardens.  I believe at the end of legacy, after he has jumped into the warden, he indicates that he is going to pay a visit to the First Warden.  He may be in an inferior body, but nothing suggests that he does not have the same power as an archdemon to warp his current body into its true form (he already has the power to jump bodies on death and the power to call those with the taint).  I doubt that he is the big bad since we know that whoever it is has been working behind the scenes for a while.  The mage-templar war, which is likely part of that plan, was set in motion long before an act 3 Cory was released.

 

I am personally hoping for a confrontation between the Architect and Cory.  The Architect seems to have a certain affection for the plight of the darkspawn, while Cory seems like the sort who would use them for his own ultimate goal.  Probably wishful thinking, but I enjoy both of the characters and would love to see some conflict between them.

[Hellion Rex]

So assuming that the city was black when the magisters got there, then Dumat knowingly tricked the magisters into opening the veil and going there using promises of a golden city that they could control. Sure Cory could be confused, but when the guy that was there and responsible for the breach is claiming Dumat told him how, I am more inclined to take what he says more seriously. Anyone that could claim otherwise is dead or MIA (or another darkspawn).

I'm not sure I can agree with the assumption that the old gods could not have known that the city would corrupt the magisters because it would eventually lead to the old gods death. By creating the darkspawn the old gods get freed from their underground slumber and obtain immortality (being able to jump into a soulless darkspawn vessel and reform into an archdemon). When Dumat tricked the magisters into entering the golden city there was no known way to kill an old god, so why would it cross Dumat's mind that he would eventually be killed by grey wardens responding to the problem that he just created? I do not think the old gods are benevolent or even neutral, but it is simply my opinion and is based on assumptions I have made from what very little we are told.

As for Cory, I do think he's causing problems and is likely directly responsible for whatever is going on with the Wardens. I believe at the end of legacy, after he has jumped into the warden, he indicates that he is going to pay a visit to the First Warden. He may be in an inferior body, but nothing suggests that he does not have the same power as an archdemon to warp his current body into its true form (he already has the power to jump bodies on death and the power to call those with the taint). I doubt that he is the big bad since we know that whoever it is has been working behind the scenes for a while. The mage-templar war, which is likely part of that plan, was set in motion long before an act 3 Cory was released.

I am personally hoping for a confrontation between the Architect and Cory. The Architect seems to have a certain affection for the plight of the darkspawn, while Cory seems like the sort who would use them for his own ultimate goal. Probably wishful thinking, but I enjoy both of the characters and would love to see some conflict between them.

I do think that Cory is indeed the root of the Warden's problems. I do agree he is body hopping a lot, and is possibly even in the body of the First Warden.

[caradoc2000]

To repeat myself: Corypheus is dead like a dodo in a hearse.

 

Corypheus being alive is almost as ridiculous as Cullen being LI

[Hellion Rex]

To repeat myself: Corypheus is dead like a dodo in a hearse.

Corypheus being alive is almost as ridiculous as Cullen being LI

....please tell me you're joking.

[Divine Justinia V]

To repeat myself: Corypheus is dead like a dodo in a hearse.

 

Corypheus being alive is almost as ridiculous as Cullen being LI

 

 

How do you even come to that conclusion?

[Rychen]

To repeat myself: Corypheus is dead like a dodo in a hearse.

 

Corypheus being alive is almost as ridiculous as Cullen being LI

 

Next you're going to tell me there is gambling going on in Casablanca 

[Gervaise]

Whilst I do not think Corypheus will be the main big bad, I do think he could have been involved in events from his prison.   We were told that he had been able to influence mages even at a distance and at the time Legacy came out we were speculating on whether his presence was the reason that everything seemed so extreme in Kirkwall, in particular why mages seemed so volatile and unstable.   The number of mages who spontaneously combusted into abominations was ridiculous unless some other factor was in play.    Okay so the veil was also very thin around the city but that may just have made it easier to make contact through the Fade.

 

It may also be possible that an old god is responsible.   May be they think that they will be able to escape their prison through the Fade.   This would be why Dumat encouraged the Magisters to go there and why there was a rather ironic response to the efforts, since it did ultimately lead to his release but he was tainted in the process.   

 

I suppose a lot depends on whether Sandal's prophesy and Alexius' words "he will rise" are connected and do refer to the main culprit rather than just his particular story arc.      Certainly referring to "he" would at least rule out Flemeth as the principle enemy.   

 

May be there isn't just one person behind this but a powerful group of beings.   Flemeth was going somewhere to keep an appointment after leaving Hawke.   She alluded to the chaos to come.    She had also ensured that the one individual capable of freeing Corypheus was safely delivered to the region of Kirkwall.   Then Felassan hints to Imshael of something brewing that the demon will want to be involved in and is killed by some being that seemed to be trying to gain control over the Eluvians or at least stop anyone else from using them.     So I'd say that some powerful individual that we have yet to encounter was pulling the strings, either from within the Fade or somewhere else.   Possibly the strange alternate dimension the elves gave access to.   Somewhere there may be a pocket with a powerful elf dreamer waiting to be released, possibly a possessed elf dreamer.   Did not Marethari says that a dreamer abomination would be nigh on unstoppable?  Well I'm thinking an abomination in the style of Anders, Wynne or Connor, but with a much stronger spirit involved.  

 

I don't really mind who it is just so long as it is genuinely awesome.

[myahele]

Imshael is a "spirit" of Choice.

 

What's also interesting is that there's Red Lyrium growing in the Fade as well (as seen in many pictures) With the breach + lyrium I wonder if it'll make it easier to travel the Fade physically?

[KC_Prototype]

I think Cory has some connection to the fade tear but more towards the Grey Wardens becoming enemies of the Inquisition.

[Hellion Rex]

Imshael is a "spirit" of Choice.

What's also interesting is that there's Red Lyrium growing in the Fade as well (as seen in many pictures) With the breach + lyrium I wonder if it'll make it easier to travel the Fade physically?

Probably. It seems that reality is beginning to mix with the Fade, and people could probably cross through the many tears in the world. I wonder if it could be used as a teleportation mechanism. Go through one tear, traverse the Fade, and exit through another tear, ending up somewhere els entirely.

[Clockwork_Wings]

The only thing that I think might put the lid on this is that Legacy was optional content.

Would be intriguing though

Just because it was optional doesn't mean it didn't happen, just tjat Hawke wasn't there to see it.

[Uhh.. Jonah]

Everything you just said made sense and I am now convinced more than ever.