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[Mr.House]

I wonder if the Big Bad had any part in escalating tensions.

We'll confront the big bad in the privy with a crossbow! Oh wait that's going to happen in TW3, by bad.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Alot of aspects in DAO where clearly inspired by GoT, LotR ect.

You mean the TV show itself or the series as a whole? 'Cuz the show only debuted in 2011

 

EDIT: Nevermind.

[AresKeith]

I wonder if the Big Bad had any part in escalating tensions.

 

Probably does and one of their Agents of Chaos is there

 

I still wanna go up to Celene and say:

 

 

If we get a chance to duel someone in the plot line lol 

[Altima Darkspells]

Honestly, I hope it's not Corypheus. I'm sorta tired and bored of BioWare bridging games with DLC.

I'd personally find it a bit of a copout if the main villain in the game just...poofed out of nowhere, with maybe a few lines of dialogue for him. Imagine players that never played the DLC, wondering where the hell one of the original darkspawn came from.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I think the big bad is actually a group. Cory may be one of them though. 

[Samahl]

I think the big bad is actually a group. Cory may be one of them though. 

The ancient magisters?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The ancient magisters?

Perhaps, or he simply joined the group because he saw it as the quickest and strongest way to achieve his goal as well, so allies of convenience. 

[AresKeith]

I think the big bad is actually a group. Cory may be one of them though. 

 

I would so love for it to be a group of people in charge

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I would so love for it to be a group of people in charge

Yeah, we've had individuals as enemies before in Bioware games, but never a group.

 

This doesn't count henchmen obviously.

[Altima Darkspells]

Yeah, we've had individuals as enemies before in Bioware games, but never a group.
 
This doesn't count henchmen obviously.

As long as a 'group' is not used an excuse not to develop them.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

As long as a 'group' is not used an excuse not to develop them.

What do you mean? 

 

Our companions are a group, yet they are all developed. 

[myahele]

Well....according to the leak the Red Templar are creating discord between Orlais and Fereleden, etc so that they (or maybe the leader) can use the breach to reach the black city in order to obtain God-Hood.

 

Of course, don't take my word for it

[TCBC_Freak]

Honestly, I hope it's not Corypheus. I'm sorta tired and bored of BioWare bridging games with DLC.

I'd personally find it a bit of a copout if the main villain in the game just...poofed out of nowhere, with maybe a few lines of dialogue for him. Imagine players that never played the DLC, wondering where the hell one of the original darkspawn came from.

 

But you're assuming that's what happens. "Poof out of no where." But if they used the opening scene to show Cory there at the peace summit, killing everyone, in all his glory having taken a more powerful body and warped it to a new (or I should say, his old) form and opening the fade and we meet him from the get go. It's just that Bioware is keeping it on the down low for now with all the finding out who the bad guy is comments.

 

-What follows is random and complete speculation, it should be taken as such... but is an interesting idea I think-

 

I can see it now, people who never played the DLC or the other games are only seeing a bad@ss bad guy, while folks who played the DLC are like, how he alive and so much more powerful than before? They might even have a dialog about that, with Varric or something talking about defeating Cory before and then we learn that he was weak after just waking up and had been using his mind powers to manipulate things for centuries but when he actually woke up he was disoriented and didn't even remember what he was doing at first. If you've ever had a really intense dream, one that you partially controlled and then get woken up in the middle of it, it is very disorienting. Now, however, he's had a few years and maybe even meet a few of his henchmen.

 

Like Flemeth - I hope she's not as all important as she seems, honestly I want her to be less important than folks want her to be just so I can laugh... oh Wait, take that back, I just had an epiphany! What if Flemeth is, like, Cory's wife and she's been trying to free her husband for all this time and used Hawke to do it... and the two of them are working in tandem to bring about this, "change," and Flemeth needed her daughters to stay alive because unlike her husband she didn't get tainted and gain physical immortality (from age anyway); but like him, and maybe from him, she learned how to body hop into a person with a soul - only without dying like the archdemons do. And since now they are both free and out-and-about they worked together to amp their plans up to 11 and get the ball rolling. It would explain some things.

 

I am having some weird vision-like idea about the peace summit. Our Inquisitor (he/she's not the inquisitor at this point but whatever) is there, and we see someone, maybe Cory in his new body, raise his hand to the sky and it starts to shoot this green light out. So we jump him, grab his hand and then there is an explosion. Both of us are pulled into the fade and we are branded on the hand. Now, we, as a normal person are badly effected and slowly blackout, but the other person just walks away having gone from looking like a normal dude to looking like Cory did in the DLC, maybe he's laughing even while leaving us to be torn apart by demons. Then we regain consciousness, maybe fight some demons, and then walk out the fade and are found by Cass. In one of the trailers (I'll try and put it below) Cass says, at 0.38 that, "You are the only treat I see!" So when we walk out of the fade and she initially questions us we tell her we saw who did it, but she is skeptical of course. Then maybe some demons attack and we fight them off with her and we show her the brand and while doing so somehow we find out we can close the breaches and she has to trust us now cause we are the only one who can... So we'll know who the person is if we see them but we wont know who they are from Adam to name them, so we try and learn their full identity and hunt them down. Cass tells us she knows a guy who's seen someone who looked like that before.

 

We thus meet Varric and talk to him about the guy we saw. When we describe Cory to Varric he says, "I know that person, its Corypheus, but Hawke killed him!" Now we have even more questions, we learn that they killed him at the Grey Warden prison and so we go to the Wardens, enter Blackwall and a Warden fort under siege filled with Wardens serving Cory and being attacked by those still holding on to their own minds, not under his influence (the scene from the trailers). We learn that Cory was a Tevinter Magister and so we seek out someone who might know more about that and enter Dorrian, the reformer, who is in Ferelden hunting his former teacher (who is spurring o nthe mage/Templar war) and we ask Dorrian about his deep knowledge on Tevinter history (Somewhere along the way till now we've found Iron Bull, Sera and the other companions, all except Viv). We learn from Dorrian that Corypheus had a wife, who was also a Magister but she remained outside the fade because the ritual required it and her name was Flemeth, though this is not public knowledge and only the Magisters know that there were once 8 Magisters where now there are 7. We learn from Varric possible that Flemeth was the Witch who helped Hawke get to Kirkwall which was instrumental to Cory being freed and that she had a daughter named Morrigan who we know is with the Empress. Enter Morrigan and Vivian as we go to Orlais to learn more about this, "Bonnie and Clyde," duo of Flemeth and Corypheus...

 

Dude, if that's what happens I'll freak out, cause I just had some prophetic vision stuff, lol... I think my brain may have imploded a little at the crazy, yet oddly possible, ideas I just had.

 

 

TL;DR - It's most random ramblings, but I think it makes a cool story... possible fanfic-like version of events to come, lol

[Samahl]

What if Flemeth is, like, Cory's wife

Please, god, no.

[Grieving Natashina]

Honestly, I hope it's not Corypheus. I'm sorta tired and bored of BioWare bridging games with DLC.

I'd personally find it a bit of a copout if the main villain in the game just...poofed out of nowhere, with maybe a few lines of dialogue for him. Imagine players that never played the DLC, wondering where the hell one of the original darkspawn came from.

Then it's the writer's job to catch the players up to speed.  If they are going to use Cory, they won't just plop out of nowhere, they'll probably give us a brief summation of his past.  Varric could easily tell the Inquisitor all about it, with Cassandra asking questions to clarify.  No matter what Cory's role is, they are not going to just "poof out of nowhere with a few lines of dialogue," unless they decide to make him some unimportant mini-boss fight. I'm betting Cory is small potatoes compared to whatever the Big Bad actually is.  I don't mind if they use a DLC character as a villain, and I can't see them using Cory as the main villain.  

 

Please don't think I'm trying to pick on you.  I do agree that using a DLC to bridge between games can be problematic, leading to confusing scenes like the very beginning of ME3.*

 

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Spoiler

In between ME2 and 3, Shepard ends up turning him/herself into the Alliance and ends up grounded.  When I played ME3 the first time, I didn't have Arrival for ME2.  I just thought that she turned herself in after working with Cerebus, then I was all sorts of confused when they started talking about a mass relay blowing up and Shep being involved.

[Mistic]

Please don't think I'm trying to pick on you.  I do agree that using a DLC to bridge between games can be problematic, leading to confusing scenes like the very beginning of ME3.*

 

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Spoiler

In between ME2 and 3, Shepard ends up turning him/herself into the Alliance and ends up grounded.  When I played ME3 the first time, I didn't have Arrival for ME2.  I just thought that she turned herself in after working with Cerebus, then I was all sorts of confused when they started talking about a mass relay blowing up and Shep being involved.

 

But that isn't precisely a good example.

Spoiler

An imported Shepard without Arrival didn't take part in the mass relay blowing up. If Shepard wasn't there, it was the 103rd Marine division who did it. It was stated in the war assets and there were some changes in conversation with batarians.

 

Dragon Age, on the other hand, seems to accept that every DLC happened with your characters.

[azarhal]

 

Dragon Age, on the other hand, seems to accept that every DLC happened with your characters.

 

Until we played DAI, we can't claim that. The dev just said that the events happened, that is how ME3 handled it.

 

Legacy even, in story, provide different avenue for a resolution without Hawke. It make Legacy Hawke really stupid as well: Bad guy tries to kidnap me to break some seals, lets break some seals...

 

And nothing in Mask of the Assassin required Hawke to be present, the most important plot item in the DLC was something that Hawke did not touch once.

[Mistic]

Until we played DAI, we can't claim that. The dev just said that the events happened, that is how ME3 handled it.

 

Legacy even, in story, provide different avenue for a resolution without Hawke. It make Legacy Hawke really stupid as well: Bad guy tries to kidnap me to break some seals, lets break some seals...

 

And nothing in Mask of the Assassin required Hawke to be present, the most important plot item in the DLC was something that Hawke did not touch once.

 

Fair enough. After all, DLCs like Return to Ostagar or Warden's Keep weren't included in the pre-built stories. However, Awakening always happened, even if the Warden died.

 

I really liked the ME3 approach. My nitpicking before was about a thing that, according to my experience, doesn't happen with an imported Shepard. Even if the events happened, the game acknowledged that the player character didn't take part in that. I wonder if the same will happen in DA:I, depending on the save you have in the Keep (looking forward to try it, I'm sure I could spend the month before the release playing with the options).

[Quyk Sylvyr]

Until we played DAI, we can't claim that. The dev just said that the events happened, that is how ME3 handled it.

 

Legacy even, in story, provide different avenue for a resolution without Hawke. It make Legacy Hawke really stupid as well: Bad guy tries to kidnap me to break some seals, lets break some seals...

 

And nothing in Mask of the Assassin required Hawke to be present, the most important plot item in the DLC was something that Hawke did not touch once.

 

In this case - I think it's pretty much assured that this particular DLC happened.  The official timeline on the DA page states "Hawke attempts to destroy Corypheus."  http://www.dragonage...S/timeline?i=22  Note that unlike other sections that's very vague allowing someone to import his/her decisions it specifically says Hawke is the one that attempts to destroy Corypheus.

 

On a side note - the fact that Bioware thought Hawke's attempt to destroy Corypheus important enough to add to the timeline for DAI tells me that Corypheus will at least play an important role.  I strongly suspect that Corypheus is behind the problems with the wardens.  Now having said that, I just don't think he can be the "big bad."  This plan feels like it has been in place for too long and Corypheus seemed confused when he was first woken so I doubt he'd recover that quickly.  Like others, I think his end goal may be similar to the big bad's so I wouldn't be surprised if they joined forces.

[azarhal]

After reading everyone's contributions to this thread, I have become convinced that Corypheus isn't the Big Bad either. However, like you, I do think that he will still play a substantive role within Inquisition, and in all likelihood is working alongside the Big Bad.

 

On that note, I wonder if the Dragon Age comic "Until We Sleep" is at all connected with the events of the game.

 

[spoiler warning for the comic]

 

On the Dragon Age Wiki it says that the antagonist, Aurelian Titus, constructed a vessel known as the Magrallen. It's intended purpuse was to ....

 

 

Aurelian dies at the end of the comic, but I could easily see Corypheus working with another magister, or even a group of magisters, who share similar convictions and goals.

 

The comic even puts me in mind of Sandal's prophecy: "One day the magic will come back. All of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part, and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see."

 

I personally don't see Corypheus reduce himself to a mere pawn for lowly magisters to use. In fact, I wonder if he's going to like what he sees of the place or even if he is still enough "Corypheus" to have an opinion. I get the feeling the guy isn't exactly 100% in control of himself since he came back from the Black City.

 

As for Sandal's prophecy, it's the Inquisition story setup:

- Magic comber back = this is either about the broken Veil, or Sandal is talking about a specific magic like Red Lyrium maybe.

- Everyone stay exactly like they were =  the people in the "real world" do not start to change despite the magic being back

- Shadows parts/Skies open vide = Fade Breach reaching epic proportion

 

It only leaves:

- When he rises, everyone will see

 

That one might be linked to the Venatori screaming "He will Rule!" in the old PAX demo. Seem to point to the Big Bad rising to power and controlling everyone. Or it could be about the Inquisitor rising to power and bringing the light allowing everyone to see the corrupt and evil people.

 

The funny part about "prophecies", they always make sense regardless of what happens because they are always so vague.

[K-Mart]

The only thing that I think might put the lid on this is that Legacy was optional content.

 

Would be intriguing though

I think if they have a plan for it, it doesn't matter if it was only DLC. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the events of Witch Hunt, Soldiers Peak, Stone Prisoner and Awakening are all mentioned in DA, even if you didn't play them?
Actually.. maybe not Witch Hunt - that might have just been mentioned by the devs as coming up in DA:I.

[K-Mart]

 

 

On a side note - the fact that Bioware thought Hawke's attempt to destroy Corypheus important enough to add to the timeline for DAI tells me that Corypheus will at least play an important role.  I strongly suspect that Corypheus is behind the problems with the wardens.  Now having said that, I just don't think he can be the "big bad."  This plan feels like it has been in place for too long and Corypheus seemed confused when he was first woken so I doubt he'd recover that quickly.  Like others, I think his end goal may be similar to the big bad's so I wouldn't be surprised if they joined forces.

This is true. Maybe Grey Warden that want him alive vs those that don't? (Basically like the end of Legacy )

[azarhal]

I think if they have a plan for it, it doesn't matter if it was only DLC. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the events of Witch Hunt, Soldiers Peak, Stone Prisoner and Awakening are all mentioned in DA, even if you didn't play them?
Actually.. maybe not Witch Hunt - that might have just been mentioned by the devs as coming up in DA:I.

 

Witch Hunt events are mentioned in World of Thedas, on the timeline.