Oh right, the daughter of the traitor who has no right to the throne whatsoever. I hope her cameo will be brief.
She was crowned Queen, Alistair was an unacknowledged bastard which makes his claim to the throne less than hers. Only reason Alistair was even considered was because of Arl Eamon and the Warden.
The reason you have a Landsmeet to approve the choice of monarch is because you don't automatically inherit the title. I recall someone saying on one of these forums that Cailan nearly wasn't approved by the Landsmeet and I seem to recall the only reason they agreed was because he was married or betrothed to Anora. It was widely acknowledged that she was the one doing all the hard work running the country while he just looked the part of the dashing young king. Having the Alistair/Anora combo always seemed the best choice to me (unless of course I was playing human noble) as really they would pretty much be continuing "business as usual". A hardened Alistair actually sounds from the epilogue that he makes a better king than Cailan ever did but I still think Ferelden is better off with Anora advising him rather than Eamon.
glad see she's back all of my Male Human Wardens Crown her and im a big fan of her. I feel im in the minority. But i hope she gets equal screen time as King Alistair. I just hope she found time in tens years to buy a new dress.
I'm glad she is back. In all my games I made her Queen and had Alistair remains a Warden. Just seems to me the Wardens don't take sides. Making Alistair king always seemed a betrayal to the Wardens.
fight meOh right, the daughter of the traitor who has no right to the throne whatsoever. I hope her cameo will be brief.
I've never been very impressed with Anora. She'd obviously a very weak ruler who only possess some low cunning and perhaps some skill in court games, and believes that means she is a capable administrator of a country.
I mean, just look at the state of Ferelden in Origins if you doubt me. After five years of ruling Ferelden was just one major military defeat from anarchy. Without Loghain and the standing army to keep the population in check the whole country breaks up. Bandits roam the roads from the hinterlands to the very streets of the capital itself. Nobles pursue their own goals and a civil war breaks out within months.
And even if we ignore the obvious lack of ability to keep her realm united, just look at how poor Ferelden is! Most people live in shacks, the nobles hoard what little wealth there is. Outside Denerim there is little trade, even in major town, and almost none of that is foreign trade. Ferelden has no allies, and many enemies (Orlais, raiders, and rival Free Marcher cities), and no effort is being made to gain allies either. So when the blight comes Ferelden has nobody to call on for aid.
And what does Anora do when the spawn show up and kill her husband? She runs to her father and surrenders all power to him. She is little more than a figurehead that can't even challenge a mere upstart earl in her own capital.
Seriously. Anora is comically incompetent during DA:O to the point where Alistair seemed the more rational option. And that guy had no idea how to run a country at all.
The only reason I had her marry Alistair is because I thought it would make Ferelden more stable. Even weak as she is she, and her father have allies that needed to be placated somehow. By keeping her as Alistairs wife at least she gets to feel important and her allies don't rebel. But she's clearly far to incompetent to allow anywhere near actual power.
I loved Anora. I'm glad to see she's back.
Now all i want is Isabela and i'm happy..
I've never been very impressed with Anora. She'd obviously a very weak ruler who only possess some low cunning and perhaps some skill in court games, and believes that means she is a capable administrator of a country.
I mean, just look at the state of Ferelden in Origins if you doubt me. After five years of ruling Ferelden was just one major military defeat from anarchy. Without Loghain and the standing army to keep the population in check the whole country breaks up. Bandits roam the roads from the hinterlands to the very streets of the capital itself. Nobles pursue their own goals and a civil war breaks out within months.
And even if we ignore the obvious lack of ability to keep her realm united, just look at how poor Ferelden is! Most people live in shacks, the nobles hoard what little wealth there is. Outside Denerim there is little trade, even in major town, and almost none of that is foreign trade. Ferelden has no allies, and many enemies (Orlais, raiders, and rival Free Marcher cities), and no effort is being made to gain allies either. So when the blight comes Ferelden has nobody to call on for aid.
And what does Anora do when the spawn show up and kill her husband? She runs to her father and surrenders all power to him. She is little more than a figurehead that can't even challenge a mere upstart earl in her own capital.
Seriously. Anora is comically incompetent during DA:O to the point where Alistair seemed the more rational option. And that guy had no idea how to run a country at all.
The only reason I had her marry Alistair is because I thought it would make Ferelden more stable. Even weak as she is she, and her father have allies that needed to be placated somehow. By keeping her as Alistairs wife at least she gets to feel important and her allies don't rebel. But she's clearly far to incompetent to allow anywhere near actual power.
She was the de facto ruler during Cailan's reign but a dead King w/o heir immediately throws any country into civil unrest. In addition to that in the beginning she hadn't had reason to distrust her father yet. Loghain also quickly moved to seize power within Denerim and could put Anora into house arrest at any given moment henceforth.
I haven't read outside the DAO in game lore provided, which clearly stated her as a very capable ruler but I don't know the state of the country before those 5 years.
It isn't in the least uncommon though that during waring times the number of Bandits and Highwaymen drastically increase. For one thing most men capable of fighting are gone, deserters don't have anywhere to go and so group up, refugee's banded together, etc.
She was the de facto ruler during Cailan's reign but a dead King w/o heir immediately throws any country into civil unrest. In addition to that in the beginning she hadn't had reason to distrust her father yet. Loghain also quickly moved to seize power within Denerim and could put Anora into house arrest at any given moment henceforth.
I haven't read outside the DAO in game lore provided, which clearly stated her as a very capable ruler but I don't know the state of the country before those 5 years.
It isn't in the least uncommon though that during waring times the number of Bandits and Highwaymen drastically increase. For one thing most men capable of fighting are gone, deserters don't have anywhere to go and so group up, refugee's banded together, etc.
To me it seems that Anora only thought she was the de facto ruler while Cailan lived, while Loghain was the one actually calling the shots. How else does one explain that Anora had no personal allies except her handmaid? If she did rule for five years, and was capable and clever she should have had a number of close and powerful allies among the nobility.
We've no proof Anora was under house arrest. From the little we saw of her it seemed more like she was just frustrated with her father but allowed him to do as he pleased without much fuss.
And Loghain did not have power within Denerim. In fact, nobody truly did. The Warden was more than able to walk around in Denerim in broad daylight without challenge except for bandits and blood mages (for some reason).
And the Dragon Age lore is in game. It's just opinion really.
And while it is common for bandits and disorder to become pronounced during times of war a country run by a capable ruler should not break apart after a single defeat on the battlefield like Ferelden did. That coupled with the obvious backwardness of Ferelden's economy, culture, military, and political situation leads me to believe that Anora was dangerously incompetent.
At the very least she lacked the ability to keep the nobility united under her, a very crucial weakness when your kingdom relies on them for power.
She's traitorous. I had her locked up. I save her and she betrays me to the guard, and latter at the Landsmeet- I still don't understand that. She may be a good ruler (it seems like the only good rulers in DA are the ruthless and ambitious ones), but she's a horrible person. I'm hoping Cassandra puts her in her place, or Vivienne- that would be awesome.
To me it seems that Anora only thought she was the de facto ruler while Cailan lived, while Loghain was the one actually calling the shots. How else does one explain that Anora had no personal allies except her handmaid? If she did rule for five years, and was capable and clever she should have had a number of close and powerful allies among the nobility.
We've no proof Anora was under house arrest. From the little we saw of her it seemed more like she was just frustrated with her father but allowed him to do as he pleased without much fuss.
And Loghain did not have power within Denerim. In fact, nobody truly did. The Warden was more than able to walk around in Denerim in broad daylight without challenge except for bandits and blood mages (for some reason).
And the Dragon Age lore is in game. It's just opinion really.
And while it is common for bandits and disorder to become pronounced during times of war a country run by a capable ruler should not break apart after a single defeat on the battlefield like Ferelden did. That coupled with the obvious backwardness of Ferelden's economy, culture, military, and political situation leads me to believe that Anora was dangerously incompetent.
At the very least she lacked the ability to keep the nobility united under her, a very crucial weakness when your kingdom relies on them for power.
Not after a defeat, but after a defeat with the king dead and no immediate heir? Most likely Anora had her allies within Loghain's circle and if push came to shove they'd choose him. Loghain had control of Denerim he imprisoned the Arl, appointed his henchman, created a public enemy in the alienage, recruited guards on a massive scale all of that within days. I also didn't say that Anora was put under house arrest but that Loghain could have put her under house arrest any moment. Under those circumstances her movements were very restricted. Anora probably made Loghain regent so he could secure the throne for her, which he most likely intended anyways as the crown was always out of his reach.
Also if it weren't for the warden all the nobles would have been on Loghain's and Anora's side, even Eamon.
She's traitorous. I had her locked up. I save her and she betrays me to the guard, and latter at the Landsmeet- I still don't understand that. She may be a good ruler (it seems like the only good rulers in DA are the ruthless and ambitious ones), but she's a horrible person. I'm hoping Cassandra puts her in her place, or Vivienne- that would be awesome.
Did you agree to support her before the Landsmeet?
Not after a defeat, but after a defeat with the king dead and no immediate heir? Most likely Anora had her allies within Loghain's circle and if push came to shove they'd choose him. Loghain had control of Denerim he imprisoned the Arl, appointed his henchman, created a public enemy in the alienage, recruited guards on a massive scale all of that within days. I also didn't say that Anora was put under house arrest but that Loghain could have put her under house arrest any moment. Under those circumstances her movements were very restricted. Anora probably made Loghain regent so he could secure the throne for her, which he most likely intended anyways as the crown was always out of his reach.
Also if it weren't for the warden all the nobles would have been on Loghain's and Anora's side, even Eamon.
If Anora was so capable then she should have been able to take control of the situation even after a major defeat. Even with the king dead and with not heir. After all, Cailan was even more incompetent than Anora, and no great loss, and an heir is not so important as long as there are other strong leaders to rally around. The problem here was that Anora was not as strong as she thought she was, and because she had made no allies among the nobility they did not rally to her. Loghain may have had the support of his local lords. But he as a common born general could never hope to effectivly unite the nobles of Ferelden. If Anora had been a good ruler she ought to have had plenty of allies all around. Evidently she did not. Loghain only had one powerful ally, Howe. And Anora had none at all.
Again. Nobody had true control of Denerim. Howe had the arl imprisoned and was made arl himself. But aside from the palace district and fort Drakon the guards in the city was loyal to their officers and not him. Anora, the queen had not a single soldier loyal to her.
We've no evidence there was much recruitment in Denerim at all. In fact, all across Ferelden there was little of that at all. Anora's administration of the country was not strong enough for a draft to be effective. Especially after Ostagar. Instead Loghain seems to have relied on mercenaries to fill the ranks, hench his need for gold and the enslavement of elves (which Anora did not discover or stop, showing how little she had developed her networks in the five years she was the "de-facto" ruler).
Anora probably ran to Loghain because she was in over her head and wanted daddy's protection. Loghain, being the real power behind the throne had little trouble securing the support of Northern Ferelden through his Ally Howe, and the rest of the coast through the minor nobility under Gwaren. He and Anora proved very much incapable of gaining the loyality of the critical Bannorn and western Ferelden. A capable ruler would have been able to secure their support, and would have made allies among them during peacetime. Anora did not, and Loghain likely could not due to his common birth.
As for the nobles. The civil war should counter your point quite effectivly. Only the surviving nobles, and those able to reach Denerim will side with Loghain if the Warden is not present. The Civil war would have carried on, only now with Redcliff on Loghain's side. Loghain won himself some breathing room with a few victories. But without the Warden there to remove him it would have continued. Besides. The nobles will side with Loghian, and not Anora in any event. She has no allies personaly.
I'm glad old characters are in new games for the continuance and hopefully closure of things. Anora was never someone I liked. I see her as one who keeps the elves in lowly position, simply because she believes they belong there. (Talk to her elven maid.) Anora is about Anora first, and Ferelden 2nd, in what I saw during my playthroughs.
That said, I'm not here to argue, but to just express my own opinion. I completed all possible playthroughs, so I'd like to see what happens with Anora as well as everyone else in all scenarios, just out of pure curiosity. Bioware does have some good writers.
If Anora was so capable then she should have been able to take control of the situation even after a major defeat. Even with the king dead and with not heir. After all, Cailan was even more incompetent than Anora, and no great loss, and an heir is not so important as long as there are other strong leaders to rally around. The problem here was that Anora was not as strong as she thought she was, and because she had made no allies among the nobility they did not rally to her. Loghain may have had the support of his local lords. But he as a common born general could never hope to effectivly unite the nobles of Ferelden. If Anora had been a good ruler she ought to have had plenty of allies all around. Evidently she did not. Loghain only had one powerful ally, Howe. And Anora had none at all.
Again. Nobody had true control of Denerim. Howe had the arl imprisoned and was made arl himself. But aside from the palace district and fort Drakon the guards in the city was loyal to their officers and not him. Anora, the queen had not a single soldier loyal to her.
We've no evidence there was much recruitment in Denerim at all. In fact, all across Ferelden there was little of that at all. Anora's administration of the country was not strong enough for a draft to be effective. Especially after Ostagar. Instead Loghain seems to have relied on mercenaries to fill the ranks, hench his need for gold and the enslavement of elves (which Anora did not discover or stop, showing how little she had developed her networks in the five years she was the "de-facto" ruler).
Anora probably ran to Loghain because she was in over her head and wanted daddy's protection. Loghain, being the real power behind the throne had little trouble securing the support of Northern Ferelden through his Ally Howe, and the rest of the coast through the minor nobility under Gwaren. He and Anora proved very much incapable of gaining the loyality of the critical Bannorn and western Ferelden. A capable ruler would have been able to secure their support, and would have made allies among them during peacetime. Anora did not, and Loghain likely could not due to his common birth.
As for the nobles. The civil war should counter your point quite effectivly. Only the surviving nobles, and those able to reach Denerim will side with Loghain if the Warden is not present. The Civil war would have carried on, only now with Redcliff on Loghain's side. Loghain won himself some breathing room with a few victories. But without the Warden there to remove him it would have continued. Besides. The nobles will side with Loghian, and not Anora in any event. She has no allies personaly.
You presume Anora would have worked counter Loghaine when she ruled when all evidence points to the contrary of him supporting her and no reason for her to build her own.
Who do you suppose Anora went to first to gain control of the situation? Loghain obviously, she trusted him unconditionally, he is her father after all.
Even in DA:O they mentioned the importance of an heir. A king needs a legitimate claim towards the throne otherwise there will be no end to the conflict until one side is eradicated and they only rallied once Alistair was in the picture. Anora made that clear when she wanted to execute Alistair or demanded he renounce his claim. Eamon also made it clear when he said he'd side with Loghain unless they are able to quell the civil war.
As far as I understand we only know Howe and Loghain spend a lot of coin on stocking up their guards.
The western nobles had Eamon as their figurehead and Loghain was smart to move against him, his wife is a simpleton and would have been easy to handle giving him the support of the west.
I enjoy marrying my human noble to her and executing Alistair to keep any rebellions from him or people using hm in check.
Did you agree to support her before the Landsmeet?
I said I would support her and she lied anyway. I've played through multiple times, some I had her marry Alistair, but still I cannot understand her quick betrayals. Sr Cautherine is an honorable knight and had Anora told her the truth I don't think I'd have to kill a bunch of people, and then supporting her obsessive father at the Landsmeet despite him locking her up, the Blight and his other craziness. She can't control or manipulate Logain, she doesn't seem afraid of him, and a good deal of the Landsmeet was with my warden, so it's not like she thought she wouldn't win.
Also, according to Anora she does not "trust her father unconditionally" otherwise she would not have needed the warden's help or support. She says she does not trust him. Unless she was lying again. Stupid liar face.
Anora won't support you if you don't talk to her, tell her you won't support her, or say you'll kill Loghain. She also tells you not to reveal her (or something along those lines) before the Ser Cauthrien encounter.
I didn't consider her betrayal of the Warden to Ser Cauthrien and the guards to really be betrayal. She did say she wanted things to be kept hushed up because she was worried that she would be killed and only turns on you if you reveal her presence to Ser Cauthrien.
And the betrayal the Landsmeet? That was only due to the Warden not willing to side with her at all in some fashion. If you get her to marry Alistair/the Warden or support her claim to rule alone, and she'll support you at the Landsmeet.
I usually harden Alistair and marry him to Anora unless I have the Warden marry her or Alistair.
I said I would support her and she lied anyway. I've played through multiple times, some I had her marry Alistair, but still I cannot understand her quick betrayals. Sr Cautherine is an honorable knight and had Anora told her the truth I don't think I'd have to kill a bunch of people, and then supporting her obsessive father at the Landsmeet despite him locking her up, the Blight and his other craziness. She can't control or manipulate Logain, she doesn't seem afraid of him, and a good deal of the Landsmeet was with my warden, so it's not like she thought she wouldn't win.
Also, according to Anora she does not "trust her father unconditionally" otherwise she would not have needed the warden's help or support. She says she does not trust him. Unless she was lying again. Stupid liar face.
You killed Ser Cauthrien? You monster!
Plus you missed out on one of the best missions in the game: Escape from Fort Drakon.
I remember there was a fan many years ago that implied Anora and her elven servant are lovers.
Fast forward many years and The mask Empire, perhaps it isn't so far-fetched?
I remember there was a fan many years ago that implied Anora and her elven servant are lovers.
Fast forward many years and The mask Empire, perhaps it isn't so far-fetched?
I highly doubt they'd pull that off two Times with different Persons...
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