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[Assassino01]

You presume Anora would have worked counter Loghaine when she ruled when all evidence points to the contrary of him supporting her and no reason for her to build her own.

 

Who do you suppose Anora went to first to gain control of the situation? Loghain obviously, she trusted him unconditionally, he is her father after all. 

 

Even in DA:O they mentioned the importance of an heir. A king needs a legitimate claim towards the throne otherwise there will be no end to the conflict until one side is eradicated and they only rallied once Alistair was in the picture. Anora made that clear when she wanted to execute Alistair or demanded he renounce his claim. Eamon also made it clear when he said he'd side with Loghain unless they are able to quell the civil war.

 

As far as I understand we only know Howe and Loghain spend a lot of coin on stocking up their guards. 

 

The western nobles had Eamon as their figurehead and Loghain was smart to move against him, his wife is a simpleton and would have been easy to handle giving him the support of the west.

I presume that a capable ruler would have built her own network of alliances and connections and friends instead of relying on her father's influence and network entirely.

 

Obviously Anora went to her father first. But when it became obvious that he was only interested in running around in the Bannorn and slaughter minor lords, Anora ought to have done something. 

 

Yes. An heir is important. However, the lack of an heir was not Ferelden's problem. Ferelden's problem was that Anora had not built up her reputation sufficiently to rally her people and her nobles when the army was defeated at Ostagar. Thus her father took control, and since he was such a controversial person the country fell apart with nobles picking sides as they pleased. Note that NONE of these nobles allied with Anora. It was either Loghain, the Bannorn, or the Warden that they allied with.

 

The whole placing Alistair on the throne thing was more an afterthought after the civil war had begun, and a way for Eamon to gain more influence at court in the long run. An heir didn't enter into it. Nor will an heir be produced, since Anora may very well be barren, and Alistair is likely sterile after the Joining.

 

Howe and Loghain spent a lot of coin funding an army which they promptly sent to central Ferelden to fight other Fereldans.

 

Loghain was clever to try to kill Eamon, sure. But that is not to Anora's credit. And had Anora been a capable ruler that course of action would not have been necessary.

[MisterJB]

fight me

I'm his second in case he dies.

[Schreckstoff]

I presume that a capable ruler would have built her own network of alliances and connections and friends instead of relying on her father's influence and network entirely.

 

Obviously Anora went to her father first. But when it became obvious that he was only interested in running around in the Bannorn and slaughter minor lords, Anora ought to have done something. 

 

Yes. An heir is important. However, the lack of an heir was not Ferelden's problem. Ferelden's problem was that Anora had not built up her reputation sufficiently to rally her people and her nobles when the army was defeated at Ostagar. Thus her father took control, and since he was such a controversial person the country fell apart with nobles picking sides as they pleased. Note that NONE of these nobles allied with Anora. It was either Loghain, the Bannorn, or the Warden that they allied with.

 

The whole placing Alistair on the throne thing was more an afterthought after the civil war had begun, and a way for Eamon to gain more influence at court in the long run. An heir didn't enter into it. Nor will an heir be produced, since Anora may very well be barren, and Alistair is likely sterile after the Joining.

 

Howe and Loghain spent a lot of coin funding an army which they promptly sent to central Ferelden to fight other Fereldans.

 

Loghain was clever to try to kill Eamon, sure. But that is not to Anora's credit. And had Anora been a capable ruler that course of action would not have been necessary.

I'm not saying she didn't build a network just that that network would have ultimately deferred to Loghain.

 

When it became obvious Loghain already had the palace under his control and Anora hadn't much she could do anymore.

 

The nobles at first thought Loghain and Anora on the same side, also Anora counts as +3 during the Landsmeet alone, w/o the Warden's intervention many nobles would have voted in Loghain's favor in addition to that.

 

Maybe Cailan was the infertile one, we know that Alistair isn't by him being able to perform the Dark Ritual.

 

Loghain felt in the right and there was still a blight. He had to act fast and bring the rest of Ferelden under his rule.

 

The only way Anora could have gotten the support of the western nobles was by imprisoning or executing Loghain something she neither wanted at first nor had the power left later.

[Assassino01]

I'm not saying she didn't build a network just that that network would have ultimately deferred to Loghain.

 

When it became obvious Loghain already had the palace under his control and Anora hadn't much she could do anymore.

 

The nobles at first thought Loghain and Anora on the same side, also Anora counts as +3 during the Landsmeet alone, w/o the Warden's intervention many nobles would have voted in Loghain's favor in addition to that.

 

Maybe Cailan was the infertile one, we know that Alistair isn't by him being able to perform the Dark Ritual.

 

Loghain felt in the right and there was still a blight. He had to act fast and bring the rest of Ferelden under his rule.

 

The only way Anora could have gotten the support of the western nobles was by imprisoning or executing Loghain something she neither wanted at first nor had the power left later.

If her allies would have deferred to Loghain then they were not her allies in the first place. 

 

If Anora had been intelligent she'd have made sure not to paint herself into such a corner. Besides, Loghain never threatened her, only Howe did. 

 

Anora counts as +3, more because it's a daughter abandoning her own father, not because she had any allies of her own. All the nobles are voting in favour of Loghain, not Anora. 

 

Cailan may very well have been the infertile one. But an heir is unlikely none the less. The Dark Ritual was Flemeth's magic, and I've no doubts spells were used in order to make certain a child would be concieved. After all the likelyhood of becoming pregnant isn't too great for even normal people, yet Morrigan got it in one go. From all lore Alistair ought to be pretty unlikely to get her with child.

 

Loghain didn't believe it was a blight at first. He just couldn't stand the Bannorn not bending knee to him and grew paranoid about Orlais.

 

If Anora wasn't willing to do what it took to unite Ferelden in times of crisis then she was obviously not a very competent monarch.

 

Besides, as mentioned earlier, Ferelden was in a sorry state even before the blight. 

[Schreckstoff]

Besides, as mentioned earlier, Ferelden was in a sorry state even before the blight. 

We apparently are at a point neither of us will relinquish his arguments so let's stop, I kept that last line because we don't have a state to compare Ferelden to. I haven't read outside the lore provided by the game so at least I can't tell if Ferelden is in a better or worse situation than before her rule.

[Assassino01]

We apparently are at a point neither of us will relinquish his arguments so let's stop, I kept that last line because we don't have a state to compare Ferelden to. I haven't read outside the lore provided by the game so at least I can't tell if Ferelden is in a better or worse situation than before her rule.

 

Indeed. This could go on forever.

 

As for the state of Ferelden, it is clear Ferelden is quite poor, that even goes for the nobility and royality it would seem. Ferelden have no allies and seem to have little foreign trade. Its relations with its neighbours is hostile at worst and neutral at best.