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[MisterJB]

What if the Qunari are the ones behind the chaos?

Soften the South before the invasion. Earn an easy victory. Attack Tevinter from both sides.

[SnakeCode]

I always assumed he was just resigned to the idea that the current Arishok would send an invasion.

 

Now that he's Arishok, that doesn't need to happen.

He's never indicated that he was against an invasion though. He said that he wouldn't want to face the warden, doesn't mean he'd have any qualms about killing anybody /everybody else. It doesn't even mean he'd have any qualms about another Qunari killing the Warden, just that he wouldn't want to do it himself.

[Samahl]

He's never indicated that he was against an invasion though. He said that he wouldn't want to face the warden, doesn't mean he'd have any qualms about killing anybody /everybody else. It doesn't even mean he'd have any qualms about another Qunari killing the Warden, just that he wouldn't want to do it himself.

He could've subtly been urging the Warden to convert as well.

[SnakeCode]

He could've subtly been urging the Warden to convert as well.

Hmmm, he could have been actually. Very interesting take on it.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I always assumed he was just resigned to the idea that the current Arishok would send an invasion.

 

Now that he's Arishok, that doesn't need to happen.

 

Of course it does. It's the Demands of the Qun. Being considered a Basalit'an doesn't make you equal to a Qunari. Just treated with respect. They still think you are a bas that should convert. And even if it did, Sten tells his superiors in the epilogue that of all the things he found in the south, the Warden was the only thing that was worthwhile.

 

I guess, but I don't see why a qunari invasion couldn't be condensed in a similar way.

 

It could, sure, But that doesn't mean it would be good to do so. I strikes me as being incredibly disappointing if given how much they seemed to build up the potential of a Qunari invasion. Humanity's greatest rivals: Fanatical giants, stronger tougher, more advanced, eager for conquest! They were only repelled last time after 150 years of blood sweat and tears from all nations combined! And now they're even scarier because they're coming back back for payback after learning from their mistakes last time! But it turns out it wasn't so bad if a single hero managed to quell their advance over the course of a single game. It's another example of their being greater stories in the past.

 

The other thing is when fighting the Qunari you don't have an instant win option like you have for the darkspawn. Qunari don't have an Archdemon to kill which automatically ends a blight.

 

 

What if the Qunari are the ones behind the chaos?

Soften the South before the invasion. Earn an easy victory. Attack Tevinter from both sides.

 

It's possible, since this does potentially seem to benefit them in the long run. But I doubt given the Qunari's singular abhorrence for chaos. They don't seem inclined to intentionally make a mess they would likely have to clean up. Especially considering Arvaraad's fear and hatred of the source of a mage's power, opening up a breach in the Fade that might swallow the world seems like much too high a price to weaken a region they seem to think they will be able to conquer anyway.

[Samahl]

It could, sure, But that doesn't mean it would be good to do so. I strikes me as being incredibly disappointing if given how much they seemed to build up the potential of a Qunari invasion. Humanity's greatest rivals: Fanatical giants, stronger tougher, more advanced, eager for conquest! They were only repelled last time after 150 years of blood sweat and tears from all nations combined! And now they're even scarier because they're coming back back for payback after learning from their mistakes last time! But it turns out it wasn't so bad if a single hero managed to quell their advance over the course of a single game. It's another example of their being greater stories in the past.

 

The other thing is when fighting the Qunari you don't have an instant win option like you have for the darkspawn. Qunari don't have an Archdemon to kill which automatically ends a blight.

So should they just never resolve it? Should the next DA game be set centuries in the future, after the war is over? I hope you're not suggesting they just never do anything with it at all?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Of course not. But they could conceivably maybe use the Qunari Invasion to permanently shake up the status quo for Thedas and have the conflict be an ongoing thread that isn't resolved in a single story.

[fighterchick]

As much as I love the Qunari as a group and find their society fascinating, I'd rather have them not directly involved with the breach or have them stage an invasion-at least not in this game.  

 

I think the breach will have been started by mages...which is depressing to me.  It's like all the problems of Thedas can be attributed to mages.

[Samahl]

Of course not. But they could conceivably maybe use the Qunari Invasion to permanently shake up the status quo for Thedas and have the conflict be an ongoing thread that isn't resolved in a single story.

I suppose that could be interesting. We'll find out one way or another.

[MisterJB]

It's possible, since this does potentially seem to benefit them in the long run. But I doubt given the Qunari's singular abhorrence for chaos. They don't seem inclined to intentionally make a mess they would likely have to clean up. Especially considering Arvaraad's fear and hatred of the source of a mage's power, opening up a breach in the Fade that might swallow the world seems like much too high a price to weaken a region they seem to think they will be able to conquer anyway.

 

Any invasion and replacement of government; never mind a completely restructuring of society; is inherently chaotic before order can be restored. And yet the Qunari's ultimate purpose is to bring all under the Qun.

However, you are right in saying that their abhorrence of magic means they are likely culprits for opening the breach. Of course, they could have been involved in certain aspects of the chaos but not all, with the ultimate enemy having played them as well.

For instance, they must not have forgotten how the Circle of Magi was the weapon used to match their cannons. We are quick to lay blame on Tevinter but Templars are, in fact, more useful against Magisters than actual mages. The ones who would gain the most from the Mage-Templar War are the Qunari.
 

[Samahl]

Any invasion and replacement of government; never mind a completely restructuring of society; is inherently chaotic before order can be restored. And yet the Qunari's ultimate purpose is to bring all under the Qun.

However, you are right in saying that their abhorrence of magic means they are likely culprits for opening the breach. Of course, they could have been involved in certain aspects of the chaos but not all, with the ultimate enemy having played them as well.

For instance, they must not have forgotten how the Circle of Magi was the weapon used to match their cannons. We are quick to lay blame on Tevinter but Templars are, in fact, more useful against Magisters than actual mages. The ones who would gain the most from the Mage-Templars are the Qunari.

Eh, that seems like a stretch. This entire chain of events seems a little too convenient for it not to have been planned out a long time in advance, and that's way out of the qunari's scope.

[MisterJB]

Eh, that seems like a stretch. This entire chain of events seems a little too convenient for it not to have been planned out a long time in advance, and that's way out of the qunari's scope.

Why would that be out of the Qunari's scope?

[Samahl]

...Hm. Come to think of it, I guess it is plausible that the opportunity just happened to fall into their laps. They do have spies everywhere, after all.

I don't think that's a good enough explanation for what happened to the Inquisitor, however. It's too simplistic.

[Feybrad]

There is a simple Solution to deal with the problem of "a single Hero stopping the Invasion":

 

Give that single Hero the option to side with the Qunari. Or, even better in terms of a condensed Narrative, make the single Hero a Qunari from the Beginning and let us fight FOR them. Maybe against Tevinter, so we have a clearly evil bad Guy...

 

Well, one can dream...

[Eveangaline]

Whatever the qunari are doing, they'll show up. No point in wasting the qunari models for the inquisitor by not adding qunari npcs.

[Mistic]

I can't be the only one who has the feeling that some people want everything to happen right now, while they are playing Inquisition, instead of waiting for next installments.

 

Let's be honest, so far Dragon Age is a successful franchise and until they cover the whole century Bioware has time to make many games. I think it's pretty clear that they are keeping not only plots, but whole countries for future games. Let's review some of them:

-Countries that we haven't seen yet: Tevinter, Nevarra, Rivain, Antiva, the Anderfels, Par Vollen (Oralis will be visited in Inquisition).

-Wars that are already happening: Tevinter-Qunari War for Seheron, Mage-Templar War, Orlesian Civil War.

-Succession crisis in the making: Nevarran succession.

-Grey Warden related plots: Coripheus is free, the First Warden is eyeing the throne of the Anderfels.

 

I mean, taking that into account, I can see at least thre different games with their own main plot or troublesome setting without the need to squeeze it all in one game.

-DA Tevinter: The first stage of the Qunari invasion! If Tevinter falls, all Thedas will be next. Only our hero can save the day.

-DA Nevarra: When the king dies, the country enters the most horrible civil war ever, while their neighbours try to take advantage of it. Only our hero can save the day.

-DA The Anderfels: In a blighted land, the First Warden makes a coup d'etat. But is it just ambition or there is a darker reason behind the Wardens' actions? Only our hero can save the day.

 

But that is just my opinion, and I know it will depend on the developers' ideas. Hell, for all we know, the next game could well be an Assassins Creed-like story set in Antiva.

[SnakeCode]

There is a simple Solution to deal with the problem of "a single Hero stopping the Invasion":

 

Give that single Hero the option to side with the Qunari. Or, even better in terms of a condensed Narrative, make the single Hero a Qunari from the Beginning and let us fight FOR them. Maybe against Tevinter, so we have a clearly evil bad Guy...

 

Well, one can dream...

Yup, unfortunately I think if they focus on the Tevinter Qunari war, Tevinter will be the default "good guys" for a couple of reasons.

 

First, you can play as any race (you could as a Qunari as well, but you would be forced to play a follower of the Qun, limiting one's ability to role-play.)

 

Second, they'll probably go with the whole "Tevinter is misunderstood" route because we all know you can't have an "oppressed" group also be the bad guys (even when they aren't even the same people.)

 

Tevinter would likely be shown as the lesser of two evils.

[Chari]

Unless she's vashoth, any female qunari NPCs will likely be few and far between, unfortunately. Qunari society and culture is patriarchal and repressive - not many female qunari are going to be found very far from the motherland. Tallis was a bit of an exception on the front, I believe.

Ahahaha, wat? Wow, qunari are patriarchal, that's gonna be the most ignorant and stupid joke I've heard on this forum

[DavoRaydn]

Dragon Age : Total war - Qunari invasion expansion...i dig it  ...CA/Sega + EA/Bioware , Make it so! 

[The Ascendant]

I hope we get race specific armour. But practical please!
The Qun demands it!

[Shark17676]

What if the Qunari are the ones behind the chaos?

Soften the South before the invasion. Earn an easy victory. Attack Tevinter from both sides.

 

I sincerely doubt it.  It simply doesn't seem like something the Qunari would even consider doing.  I'd imagine they'd view such a tactic as dishonorable to the nth degree, not to mention their fear of magic and hatred of demons, and the fact that the Veil collapsing threatens the entire world -- Qunari lands included.

[The Baconer]

What if the Qunari are the ones behind the chaos?

Soften the South before the invasion. Earn an easy victory. Attack Tevinter from both sides.

 

Too risky, and too destructive, even for Qunari.

[AppealToReason]

I sure hope we don't get more than some little stuff. 

 

I want DA4: Qunari Stuff! to be about the qunari invasion. Mainly because we could spend most of the game in like Tevinter, Rivain, Nevarra, Seheron, Antiva, etc. All the places we haven't been yet.

[Samahl]

Ahahaha, wat? Wow, qunari are patriarchal, that's gonna be the most ignorant and stupid joke I've heard on this forum

Hm, looking at it further, you're right, I wouldn't call it patriarchal. I thought that the arishok was the supreme leader of all qunari, but according to the Qunari article of the wiki, this is not the case. I haven't really read the comics or lore on them, so I'm a bit in the dark.

Thank you for gently correcting me however. Very mature.

[Chari]

Hm, looking at it further, you're right, I wouldn't call it patriarchal. I thought that the arishok was the supreme leader of all qunari, but according to the Qunari article of the wiki, this is not the case. I haven't really read the comics or lore on them, so I'm a bit in the dark.

Thank you for gently correcting me however. Very mature.

Some folk continue calling qunari patriarchal even after reading the lore information
And well your post did make me laugh