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[Lady Nuggins]

As much as I love the Qunari as a group and find their society fascinating, I'd rather have them not directly involved with the breach or have them stage an invasion-at least not in this game.  

 

I think the breach will have been started by mages...which is depressing to me.  It's like all the problems of Thedas can be attributed to mages.

 

Hmm, I'm not so sure.  You don't necessarily have to be a mage to use certain magical artifacts or types of magic, after all.  And anybody can make a deal with a demon.  And there are various spirits and "old gods" that we know only a little about so far. 

 

I do agree that it's unlikely to be the qunari, though.  The veil breach seems like it has way too much potential to get out of control.  Too many factors to take into account.  They have gunpowder, they have superior technology, they have highly disciplined soldiers.  It seems like they would be much more likely to use tactics that they can plan, test, and control. 

 

It doesn't seem inconceivable that there would be opportunity to run into qunari even if there isn't full-out war, though.  If they have as many agents around the world as it's suggested, then there could be any number of reasons why they'd be walking around.  If nothing else, I would think they would be investigating the veil tears on their own, to evaluate whether they will become a threat.

[The Ascendant]

Why did they add them as a playable race? I not complaining I am just curious. Any thoughts?

[Feybrad]

Why did they add them as a playable race? I not complaining I am just curious. Any thoughts?

 

Because People demanded it, wished for it.

And because they are forking awesome.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why did they add them as a playable race? I not complaining I am just curious. Any thoughts?

Why not?

[leaguer of one]

No but the Fifth Blight was just a tiny blip in the history of the war with the darkspawn though. All the darkest struggles and greatest glories were still in the stories of the past. The Hero of Ferelden had the least grand adventure in compared to their predecessors.

Not true. The past blights were issues of trail an error. Each fallowing blight ends earlier then the last. The only difference is compared to the last blights less people die and we were able to end it before it really started. In the last 4 blight, everyone just mucked around before handling it.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Why did they add them as a playable race? I not complaining I am just curious. Any thoughts?

Because people asked for it, might end up being a mistake imo since i don't think it makes sense to the story that the human dominated inquisition would willingly trust & take orders from a Qunari even if they are just a member of the race rather then the Qun religion.

[Schreckstoff]

It'd be interesting to, contrary to being invaded all the time, preemptively strike against the Qunari.

For instance Thedas learns of Qunari readying an invasion so they send in a small team to seek and destroy, under the pretext of joining the Qun, their most important military leaders and create unrest.

[The Ascendant]

It'd be interesting to, contrary to being invaded all the time, preemptively strike against the Qunari.

For instance Thedas learns of Qunari readying an invasion so they send in a small team to seek and destroy, under the pretext of joining the Qun, their most important military leaders and create unrest.

This might become a DLC in the future. Seeing Qunari lands and more of their culture in a mission designed to delay their invasion plans. I approve. Unless we are totally swayed by them that we end up converting. Either way I hope we see it. OMG. We might have to kill Sten/Arishok!

[dgcatanisiri]

I think at least part of Iron Bull's purpose in the game is going to be to remind the player of the imminent threat of the qunari - they're out there, they're waiting, and Sten told Alistair in DAO in one of the banters that the qunari only abide by the peace treaty they signed because of their own reasons, considering it just a piece of paper, not the binding contract that the nations of Thedas do. But it's unlikely to happen in Inquisition - probably more of a 'Dragon Age 4' plot than anything else.

 

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if there are pockets of qunari, as well as Tal'Vashoth who are going to be involved in Inquisition. The Fade Tears are everywhere, and even the qunari are likely to need to contribute in some fashion.

[Schreckstoff]

I think at least part of Iron Bull's purpose in the game is going to be to remind the player of the imminent threat of the qunari - they're out there, they're waiting, and Sten told Alistair in DAO in one of the banters that the qunari only abide by the peace treaty they signed because of their own reasons, considering it just a piece of paper, not the binding contract that the nations of Thedas do. But it's unlikely to happen in Inquisition - probably more of a 'Dragon Age 4' plot than anything else.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if there are pockets of qunari, as well as Tal'Vashoth who are going to be involved in Inquisition. The Fade Tears are everywhere, and even the qunari are likely to need to contribute in some fashion.

Peace treaties are always just pieces of paper if any of the countries saw a chance to win they'd abolish it in a heartbeat

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Not true. The past blights were issues of trail an error. Each fallowing blight ends earlier then the last. The only difference is compared to the last blights less people die and we were able to end it before it really started. In the last 4 blight, everyone just mucked around before handling it.

 

No all four Blights were still much more epic stories of struggle than the Fifth Blight. The Fifth Blight ended because the Warden was lucky enough to take his one shot against the Archdemon at Denerim. If Urthemiel hadn't decided to show his face when he did or if Riorden hadn't managed to wound him, then the darkspawn would have destroyed the Warden's army and moved on to other nations like in Blight's past.

 

The Fourth Blight was the shortest prior to the Fifth, and that involved the Grey Wardens leading an alliance of armies from multiple nations to liberate more than one devastated or besieged country. It was like plot of Dragon Age origins magnified several times in scale, importance and epicness.

 

The First and Second Blight lasted so long that entire generations lived lives of constant conflict in an endless war. Heck, the First Blight lasted 90 years before there was even a possible way to end it at all.

[leaguer of one]

No all four Blights were still much more epic stories of struggle than the Fifth Blight. The Fifth Blight ended because the Warden was lucky enough to take his one shot against the Archdemon at Denerim. If Urthemiel hadn't decided to show his face when he did or if Riorden hadn't managed to wound him, then the darkspawn would have destroyed the Warden's army and moved on to other nations like in Blight's past.

 

The Fourth Blight was the shortest prior to the Fifth, and that involved the Grey Wardens leading an alliance of armies from multiple nations to liberate more than one devastated or besieged country. It was like plot of Dragon Age origins magnified several times in scale, importance and epicness.

 

The First and Second Blight lasted so long that entire generations lived lives of constant conflict in an endless war. Heck, the First Blight lasted 90 years before there was even a possible way to end it at all.

Hence my point on trial and error.

[KC_Prototype]

No all four Blights were still much more epic stories of struggle than the Fifth Blight. The Fifth Blight ended because the Warden was lucky enough to take his one shot against the Archdemon at Denerim. If Urthemiel hadn't decided to show his face when he did or if Riorden hadn't managed to wound him, then the darkspawn would have destroyed the Warden's army and moved on to other nations like in Blight's past.

 

The Fourth Blight was the shortest prior to the Fifth, and that involved the Grey Wardens leading an alliance of armies from multiple nations to liberate more than one devastated or besieged country. It was like plot of Dragon Age origins magnified several times in scale, importance and epicness.

 

The First and Second Blight lasted so long that entire generations lived lives of constant conflict in an endless war. Heck, the First Blight lasted 90 years before there was even a possible way to end it at all.

Naw, Blights just get easier and shorter each time they happend. Compare the second blight to the first and the second to the third and the third to the fourth and the fourth to the sixth.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Yeah the older Blights were longer. That's exactly why they are much greater and more epic stories than the plot of Dragon Age Origins.

[Mistic]

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Yeah the older Blights were longer. That's exactly why they are much greater and more epic stories than the plot of Dragon Age Origins.

 

But that's depending on your definition of 'epic', isn't it? If you are using the "of unusually great size or extent: an earthquake of epic dimensions." definition, yes, they were more epic. However, if you are using the "of or relating to an epic, a long poem in a formal style, usually about heroic events or great adventure." definition, it may be or not.

 

A long, tedious and senseless battle in the trenches is bigger in scope, but maybe some would find the story of a lone samurai defending a bridge against waves of enemies more epic in that regard. Think of the epics we know: Gilgamesh, Illiad, Odyssey, Beowulf, Chanson the Roland... Most of them have to do with the passions and adventures of the protagonists, and in some cases there are no wars or they are very small.

 

For me, the story of two Grey Wardens surviving and building an army with what they got, in a country ravaged not only by darkspawn but by civil war too, declared enemies of the state and having to face unexpected problems at every turn, that in the end defeat the Blight in record time despite the rest of the world thinking that Ferelden was lost forever, is certainly epic. I don't know about the other Blights. Greater? Yes, they were. More epic? Who knows.

[CapivaRasgor]

As much as I agree that there is some expectation being built towards a Qunari invasion I don't see it happening in this game, as other posters said, a conspiracy involving a massive Veil Tear and dark magic is incompatible with the Qunari culture. Plus, even if we see a Qunari Invasion in next sequels I think it's unlikely that the war will be the main focus of the plot, it's more likely that some other crisis will happen and the circunstances will cause a war with the Qunari, much like on Origins where during the Blight Loghain abandoned Cailan to die and claimed the regency, causing the Bannorn to revolt and sparking the civil war.

[snfonseka]

A war with Qunari is inevitable. I hope DA3 makes the stage for that. But the Qunari war should be in a completely different game.

[Mistic]

 

I agree with you its almost like in ME with the reaper conflict

sure the other cycles were much much longer but also too freaking depressing

The previous Qunari wars weren't epic they were way too long

 

 

Do you know what I find more epic in the Qunari Wars? No, it's not the Exalted Marches, but what happened in 6:85.

 

After more than 50 years of war, most of Tevinter, Antiva and Rivain has been occupied, and the Qunari armies are marching towards the Free Marches while no one seems able to stop them. Yet in Tevinter, the hellish hole of Thedas, where people should be happier about grey giants overthrowing their mage overlords, the resistance grows larger and they're the first to chip away at the Qunari forces. By the time the Exalted Marches were declared in 7:25, the Tevinters had managed to liberate all their country except Seheron, while the Chantry still needed to free Rivain.

 

That is epic for me. When everything is against you and you still make miracles. It's something to look forward to, since I have the theory that if we witness a true Qunari War (and not just a battle like Kirkwall), it will happen in Tevinter.

[Gervaise]

The history of the Qunari wars seems to be characterised by sudden assaults by the Qun followed by fight back by opposition to hold the line, then period of impass  followed by push forward by opposition to regain land previously lost.   They have got outposts in both the Anderfels and Rivain as well as Seheron, so you could have game centred on just one location as they seek to push forward before a major assault.   The trouble is some people might want to fight for the Qun.   

 

It is also possible that one of the centres of unrest we have to deal with in this game involves a group of Qun or Vashoth.   The Devs have spoken of chaos breaking out all over the place with different factions in conflict that previously weren't and that something or someone is behind it, presumably in order to further weaken the Veil.   That would argue against the Qun being responsible since it is not in their interests to weaken it, but they could still be involved in some way because of the manipulation by forces unseen.

 

Slightly off topic - what is it with Minrathous?   Twice now Tevinter has been overwhelmed except for the capital city and they have succeeded in holding out and then fighting back.    I can only think that a group of Magisters in a corner and desperate is something you wouldn't want to mess with.   Admittedly it took treachery the first time but then historians think that Maferath's true motivation wasn't jealousy but a realisation that it could take ages to fully conquer Tevinter (take Minrathous) even though he had pretty much succeed in taking the whole of the southern Imperium and the Valarian Fields stood just outside Minrathous.   They held out against the Qun for nigh on 40 years.

[Mistic]

Slightly off topic - what is it with Minrathous?   Twice now Tevinter has been overwhelmed except for the capital city and they have succeeded in holding out and then fighting back.    I can only think that a group of Magisters in a corner and desperate is something you wouldn't want to mess with.   Admittedly it took treachery the first time but then historians think that Maferath's true motivation wasn't jealousy but a realisation that it could take ages to fully conquer Tevinter (take Minrathous) even though he had pretty much succeed in taking the whole of the southern Imperium and the Valarian Fields stood just outside Minrathous.   They held out against the Qun for nigh on 40 years.

 

Minrathous seems to be based on Constantinople. The capital of the Byzantine Empire endured many sieges, but was only taken in two of them. So far, Minrathous is keeping a better record. According to WoT, the Tevinter capital is built on an island of rock not far from the shore. The only way to get there by foot is through a bridge that can be destroyed in case of siege. A navy is required then to take it, but its ports and shipbuilding facilities are immense. And if you want to starve them, good luck: they have larga catacombs that can store enough food for a year, in case supplies by sea are halted.

 

So yes, no wonder that Maferath, the Exalted Marches and the Qunari never managed to conquer the city. It's also the largest city in Thedas, despite the decline of the Imperium.

[X Equestris]

Minrathous seems to be based on Constantinople. The capital of the Byzantine Empire endured many sieges, but was only taken in two of them. So far, Minrathous is keeping a better record. According to WoT, the Tevinter capital is built on an island of rock not far from the shore. The only way to get there by foot is through a bridge that can be destroyed in case of siege. A navy is required then to take it, but its ports and shipbuilding facilities are immense. And if you want to starve them, good luck: they have larga catacombs that can store enough food for a year, in case supplies by sea are halted.
 
So yes, no wonder that Maferath, the Exalted Marches and the Qunari never managed to conquer the city. It's also the largest city in Thedas, despite the decline of the Imperium.

The Tevinter also have the Juggernaut golems that they got from the dwarves.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Do you know what I find more epic in the Qunari Wars? No, it's not the Exalted Marches, but what happened in 6:85.

 

After more than 50 years of war, most of Tevinter, Antiva and Rivain has been occupied, and the Qunari armies are marching towards the Free Marches while no one seems able to stop them. Yet in Tevinter, the hellish hole of Thedas, where people should be happier about grey giants overthrowing their mage overlords, the resistance grows larger and they're the first to chip away at the Qunari forces. By the time the Exalted Marches were declared in 7:25, the Tevinters had managed to liberate all their country except Seheron, while the Chantry still needed to free Rivain.

 

That is epic for me. When everything is against you and you still make miracles. It's something to look forward to, since I have the theory that if we witness a true Qunari War (and not just a battle like Kirkwall), it will happen in Tevinter.

 

Well, the Qunari apparently still controlled eastern territories like Quarinius after the Imperium rebelled, but it was liberated in the Exalted Marches.

 

I think there may have been counter attacks from the southern Chantry nations too, because near as I can tell (the exact timeline of this part of the war is hard to determine because sources aren't clear on this) Antiva may have been freed before the New Exalted Marches as well.

[Mistic]

The Tevinter also have the Juggernaut golems that they got from the dwarves.

 

Oh, yeah, forgot those ones. Minrathous is almost unconquerable. Unless a player character is near, of course...

 

Well, the Qunari apparently still controlled eastern territories like Quarinius after the Imperium rebelled, but it was liberated in the Exalted Marches.

 

I think there may have been counter attacks from the southern Chantry nations too, because near as I can tell (the exact timeline of this part of the war is hard to determine because sources aren't clear on this) Antiva may have been freed before the New Exalted Marches as well.

 

You know, I'd love to have a comprehensive and detailed chronology of the Qunari Wars. WoT provides a clear timeline, but is full of gaps. The codex entries tell a good story, but it's very difficult to pinpoint when some things happened. Maybe it will be just a matter of time; in DAII we found out many new things about the Qunari, and it's likely that Iron Bull will provide more insight.