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[The Baconer]

Straight-up destroy? Red Templars, Venatori, and any of the renegade Seekers of Truth.

[BloodyTalon]

Hopefully  we can kill them all and take their stuff!

But hoping we can ally with the grand duke in the civil war.

[ArvinDulku]

"Racist"? The Dalish don't have the power to enact racism. Please tell me you haven't forgotten about the time when they were enslaved, their culture destroyed, and then forced to assimilate into human society? Elves are raped, murdered, and abused on a daily basis - can you blame them for being so wary of humans? I do agree that they should be more welcoming of city elves, but that attitude seems to vary from clan to clan. The Sabrae clan accepted Pol and Feynriel quite easily.

 
Nope, I hate, hate that POV.
 
No modern Dalish has ever suffered the lost of such magnitude, cause it is already gone, so stop pretending it in anyway affects anything.
 
The fall of Elvhenan culture has already happen. It is dead, and nothing can done about it, moreso by a bunch of homeless wanderers pretending their lack of a constant roof over their head is some form of nobility when really it is just obtuse stupidity.
 
So no, I haven't forgotten about the time when they were enslaved, their culture destroyed, and then forced to assimilate into human society. Problem is that never happened to modern Dalish, so they could kindly stop pretending it did and hating on humans for something they had nothing to do with.

And considering the fact that a majority of Elves live in cities and are in fact practising Andrastians, assimilation has already happened. Thus totally for reforms to improve the standing and treatment of City Elves.

The Dalish? Damn them to the pit.
 

[LobselVith8]

In the inquisition we will have the option to probably cross alot of factions such as the grey wardens mages templars and etc. what factions will you destroy or align with?

 

It'll depend on how the groups are portrayed, and whether the leaders of the respective groups are reasonable three-dimensional individuals with goals that align with my protagonist's own. I'm likely going to run with a Dalish mage as my first character, a firm believer in the Creators, and I'd like to help the Elvhen. I can see my character helping the mages who are fighting to maintain their autonomy, the Wardens who want to deal with the threat posed by the darkspawn, and opposing the templars who are hunting down the mages.

 

Hopefully, the different racial options will have dialogue and options that reflect their background. I'd like to roleplay a Dalish elf who believes in the Creators, who views the denizens of the Beyond as spirits (rather than Spirits and Demons who are the First Children of the Maker), and who cares about the plight of the People. The Dalish deal with racial discrimination, their religion is outlawed by the Chantry, they are threatened to convert to the human religion, some templars pursue the clans, and outsiders are seldom benevolent. I think that would be a factor in how certain factions are treated (like the Order of Templars, and the Chantry of Andraste). Of course, we have a clan adopting the human infant who became Aveline the Knight, and outsiders are accepted into the clans, whether it's Lanaya or Pol, so I can see my character being accepting (although wary) of certain people who represent factions that have been at odds with the People, depending on the circumstances.

[Gervaise]

I think it's best not to pre-judge what you are going to do.   Some factions are going to be much as we have experienced them in games and books, some are going to be very different.  

 

The Chantry has been catastrophically weakened.    I think that may leave them open to reason and negotiating a few compromises.

 

Orlais is teetering on the brink of meltdown if the civil war isn't resolved soon.   So again, the possibility exists for negotiating your preferred new order and it may turn out that the person you think you wish to support may not be the best one to achieve your aims.

 

The Grey Wardens may not be the organisation they were - something is definitely up with them.

 

Both City elves and Dalish might be worth getting on side since that would be a very useful influx of troops for your fledgling organisation.   It will certainly be a good idea to undermine the progress the Qun have made in recruiting City elves (unless you like the Qun that is).

 

As for mages and Templars, it seems highly likely that both are without a central leadership so it will not be possible to negotiate with either side as a whole.   Signing up small groups of mages and Templars to your organisation might not be such a bad idea.    Mages are always going to be good to have around when big trouble strikes and Templars are always going to be good to have around if the mages get out of hand.    I wait to see what set up we are allowed to aim for in the long term but I doubt trying to re-establish the old Circle system is going to be a viable prospect.

 

The best part of the Inquisition, if you don't do stupid and run around indiscriminately killing people, it that likely everyone is going to see you as a big hero just for closing up the skies.   That means that the ordinary folk everywhere are going to be behind you and that is going to make it a tad difficult for the established powers to oppose you.    Just watch out if you see any large bonfires that you haven't asked to be built.

[Samahl]

Oh yeah, curse those Dalish for not wanting to subject themselves to abject poverty and suffer the constant violations inflicted upon them by humans, who by and large, have not expressed one iota of interest in any kind of reform or empathy for their people. I mean, it's not like elves are still enslaved to this day.

Oh, wait.

[ArvinDulku]

Oh yeah, curse those Dalish for not wanting to subject themselves to abject poverty and suffer the constant violations inflicted upon them by humans, who by and large, have not expressed one iota of interest in any kind of reform or empathy for their people. I mean, it's not like elves are still enslaved to this day.

Oh, wait.

 

1) Happen to agree that Alienages are horrible (though supposedly the one in Highever is well run and decent, or at least I remember reading that somewhere), thus why as I mentioned the need to improve the rights of City Elves which is admitedly difficult considering human nature. But I am hoping as Inquistor I will have sufficent clout to make something work.

 

2) ...Slavery in the Tevinter Empire? Wow, real surpised there. You are aware they also enslave humans as well innit? They are basically a nation of mustache twirling villains that everyone happens to hate. Heck, funny thing is despite the way they treat Elves, magically gifted Elves are in fact allowed the chance to become magisters in a quite fair might is right policy.

 

Still wanna burn the Dalish.

[Panda]

Skye Adaar, my qunari mage: Align with everyone who hopes for peace and freedom. She will be anti-qun, pro-mage and pro-elf to certain point (she will not commit mass murders or blow up chantry's She will try to stay out of civil war and game nobles are playing as much as she can.

 

Tamarin Lavellan, my dalish rogue: Align everyone with power, probaply Chantry mostly and with Celene or Gaspair (I haven't decided). Take part on civil war and the game while saving the world, other stuff aren't important. He will backstab a lot and be ruthless when needed.

[LobselVith8]

Oh yeah, curse those Dalish for not wanting to subject themselves to abject poverty and suffer the constant violations inflicted upon them by humans, who by and large, have not expressed one iota of interest in any kind of reform or empathy for their people. I mean, it's not like elves are still enslaved to this day.

Oh, wait.

 

Frankly, I don't see what's difficult to understand about the Dalish clans being wary of outsiders when outsiders have either threatened them to convert to the human religion (like the Sabrae clan faced at Sundermount), used violence to provoke the clan to leave or stay away, or hunted them for their mages (like Ariane protecting her clan from a templar who threatened them, and Merrill pointing out the templars are part of the reason for the nomadic existence of the Dalish). I can also see the criminalization of their religion as a logical issue, since the Andrastian kingdoms outlawed the elven patheon. Which makes me curious how the Dalish Inquisitor will be handled, and how the elves in the Alienage will view this person, since there has been some insinuation that some religious connotations will be associated with the main character surviving the cataclysm. A "heathen" elf is the sole survivor, after all.

 

I also see I'm not the only one who thought 'Freedom' would make a good first name for an elven Inquisitor.

[Samahl]

2) ...Slavery in the Tevinter Empire? Wow, real surpised there. You are aware they also enslave humans as well innit? They are basically a nation of mustache twirling villains that everyone happens to hate. Heck, funny thing is despite the way they treat Elves, magically gifted Elves are in fact allowed the chance to become magisters in a quite fair might is right policy.

There are slavers everywhere, both in Ferelden and the Free Marches. The very fact that Loghain was almost able to get away with giving away the elves to the Tevinters is telling. And let us not forget the city elf origin, where a bunch of elven women were abducted, basically consequence-free. The point is, not even supposedly "free" elves are safe from oppression and degradation. At least the Dalish can protect themselves.

[Samahl]

I also see I'm not the only one who thought 'Freedom' would make a good first name for an elven Inquisitor.

Glad you noticed! (◕‿◕✿)

[frostajulie]

I am Anders 2.0 the rest is secondary to my first playthru

[Eveangaline]

The current crop of Magisters in tevinter suck. Kill 'em and put in anti-slavery magisters.

 

I like the Dalish, if I get the chance to help them out I probably will. Same with the city elves.

 

Dwarves..hm. Well depends on what any individual dwarf factions I run into stand for.

 

Probably side with the mages.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I also see I'm not the only one who thought 'Freedom' would make a good first name for an elven Inquisitor.

 

Glad you noticed! (◕‿◕✿)

 

Haha, I actually also thought the same thing for an elf I was struggling to come up with a name for in a fanfic I was working on. I think it's because the word also kinda sounds like it could be a name.

[NoForgiveness]

 

But why the hatred? Mostly because they are xenophobic, racist d-bags who enforce cultural hatred on their young simply because they refuse to leave the past behind and face reality. Wah wah, culture and past glories, wah wah. Oh bloody hell, shut up already.

 

Oh and they treat/think of their city cousins like/as trash simply because they refuse to live like homeless bandits while clinging to a dead culture/religion/way of life under the guise of "nobility" whilst promoting racial hatred. Yeah, real outstanding bunch of people.

 

 

 

 

 

I just want to point out that Velanna is the only dalish that we've met that actually fits that description. And 1) she was exiled for that very reason and 2) it was based solely on ignorance, when she becomes a warden her view point starts to change if her approval is up.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

I just want to point out that Velanna is the only dalish that we've met that actually fits that description. And 1) she was exiled for that very reason and 2) it was based solely on ignorance, when she becomes a warden her view point starts to change if her approval is up.

I thought Velanna was exiled not for hating humans but more to do with her hatred of humans putting her clan at risk?

[LobselVith8]

Haha, I actually also thought the same thing for an elf I was struggling to come up with a name for in a fanfic I was working on. I think it's because the word also kinda sounds like it could be a name.

 

I thought it was a good name. Very fitting for a Dalish elf.    So, far, there's at least three parallel universes with an elven Inquisitor with that name. 

 

When I heard we could customize and name our own armor, I was even going to label my initial custom elven armor 'Solas' until the developers revealed the name of the elven companion.

[ArvinDulku]

There are slavers everywhere, both in Ferelden and the Free Marches. The very fact that Loghain was almost able to get away with giving away the elves to the Tevinters is telling. And let us not forget the city elf origin, where a bunch of elven women were abducted, basically consequence-free. The point is, not even supposedly "free" elves are safe from oppression and degradation. At least the Dalish can protect themselves.

 
...Yes, slavers who kidnap free folk (yes, almost all countries Thedas have outlawed Slavery), elves AND human, to sell to the Imperium. Again, the evil mustache twirling country where mages have run wild that everyone hates? And no, Loghain near got away with it cause he was in charge and thus in a position to hide it. Note when revealed at the Landsmeet most of the Nobles reacted with disgust(unless I remember that wrong).

 

The wedding abduction? Yeah, done by the self entitled, probably sociophatic son of the Arl of Denerim, the second most powerful person in Denerim after the King. I would think he gets away with it cause daddy got his back. Was it easier cause it was elves? Probably, but it happened cause of his status, considering he would probably have his way should any human commoner lass catch his fancy.

 

But seriously, despite my 328th failure to complete a non-human run in a fantasy RPG, bathing in the blood all those estate guards before gutting Vaughan like a pig was morbidly satisfiying.

 

And again, I agree City Elves are badly treated and would love to improve their lot.

 

I detest the xenophobic Dalish, not Elves.

[zestalyn]

Really hard to say at this point.

Every faction is bound to have their 'good/diplomatic' side and then more 'extremist/renegade' side. No faction is one-sided, and I guess this game is going to have your Inquisitor navigate between the different interest groups within these factions. 

I want to side with the more marginalized groups, like the mages and elves, and defend their rights that have been constantly infringed upon. But for example I don't want to defend violent blood mages or violent, racist elves. It's not like I want to put down the templars or the Chantry, either, cause I find nothing wrong with religion (in its essence), but I'd want to put down their belief that they have the right to control mages' lives and all that crap. It's going to be complicated, lol. 

[MisterJB]

"Racist"? The Dalish don't have the power to enact racism.

Here we can see a group of city elves enacting racism against a human.

 

As observable, they power comes from their superiority in numbers.

 

And here is a group of Dalish elves also enacting racism against humans with deadly results.

This time, their power to do so comes from them being armed.

 

Elves are raped, murdered, and abused on a daily basis - can you blame them for being so wary of humans?

Every group will have grievances with another group. Does that justify unprovoked assault and murder?

 

Certainly, the elves have reasons to be cautious but I'd expect them to be able to distinguish between this:

 

And this

 

However, the only distinction they seem capable of is "Hey, that human is alone, unarmed and unarmoured. Let's mug him!"
 

[LobselVith8]

I just want to point out that Velanna is the only dalish that we've met that actually fits that description. And 1) she was exiled for that very reason and 2) it was based solely on ignorance, when she becomes a warden her view point starts to change if her approval is up.

 

The developers have made a point of addressing that the clans are different, and can vary greatly from one another. We have a clan who adopted a human child (who became Aveline the Knight, and irrevocably changed the lives of women in Thedas forever with her actions and Dalish training), the Dalish signed a treaty with the Wardens despite losing their homeland to humanity, and we have Velanna's clan remark positively if they see her in the company of humans; Velanna and the elves who left the clan with her were also responding to humans who tried to burn down the clan (which is what started the mess in the first place), so the hatred went both ways.

 

To be fair, Velanna didn't hate all humans, as she remarks positively about Andraste, even if the elven Warden says that Andraste simply used their people for her own ends.

 

I also think some people view the Dalish negatively because they are wary and rude to outsiders, but let's face it: over the centuries, outsiders have typically (if not always, depending on the respective clan) been a threat to the Dalish. Whether it's humans who are threatening the elves to convert, or templars trying to kidnap or kill their mages, outsiders are usually a sign of trouble for the Elvhen. Even the Sabrae clan, who are often cited as being filled with rude people, simply warned the templars to leave them alone, despite the fact that the templars in Act II tortured one of their child hunters for information on Feynriel; they aren't the villains that some people try to paint them as.

[NoForgiveness]

I thought Velanna was exiled not for hating humans but more to do with her hatred of humans putting her clan at risk?

 

I think it was kind of both. /shrug
 

[Samahl]

Here we can see a group of city elves enacting racism against a human.

Elves do not have the power to enact racism.

 

Every group will have grievances with another group. Does that justify unprovoked assault and murder?

"Grievances"? This isn't some petty squabble, this is institutional violence against a group of people.

[General TSAR]

Destroy:

Tevinter Imperium's proxies (you know who they are)

Dalish Clans

Rebel City Elves

Red Templars

Rebel Mages

 

Support and/or Integrate:

Templars

Chevaliers

Seekers

Felicisima Armada

Slaves and Qunari Agents in the Tevinter Imperium

 

So yeah.

Elves do not have the power to enact racism.

 

Utterly laughable.