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[Ibn_Shisha]

It was more a reference to spears in medieval fantasy games in general rather than just Dragon Age

Diablo 2?  (And 3, but 3 doesn't really count since you never really use basic attack after unlocking your first skill).

[Halfdan The Menace]

Agreed. I like the idea of gory stuff happening at the sharp end of the long pointy stick. But polearms are usually only good in mass combat, full-scale attacks and pretty much a one-trick-pony, being especially an awesome defense against enemy's cavalry. Doesn't work much for one-on-one combat.

[Inquisitor Mary Sue]

notice how he needed another spear after the first got chop the sword.

 

Yeah but you gotta admit he handles a spear like a BOSS both on the battlefield and in the bedroom. Well at least until his hubris got the best of him.

[Celtic Latino]

It isn't just Dragon Age, but a lot of games seem averse to having them, or at least averse to the PC having them. 

 

The Elder Scrolls stopped allowing spears after Morrowind. They made an appearance with enemies in the Dragonborn DLC of Skyrim (tease!).

 

Kingdoms of Amalur had spear wielding enemies but you were stuck with the fantasy staple weapons (two handers, swords, bows)...(though KoA gets points for the chakrams and faeblades)

 

The only game series that really allows for spears are the classic crpgs (Baldurs Gate, Icewind Dale, Temple of Elemental Evil), so for the one who commented about next-gen system only elitist crap, its the classic, 'dated' games that allowed for spears. Just some food for thought.

[SNascimento]

notice how he needed another spear after the first got chop the sword.

That's utterly irrelevant for a videogame. 

[cindercatz]

Honestly I hope the combat animation and general approach to weapons get a fairly drastic overhaul for DA4. As pretty as this game is, that's one area that could definitely see a lot of improvement, more expansion in the future. I still want to see 12 weapon sets with their own animation, skills, and gameplay considerations  at some point. Just not to be this time. Next time they won't necessarily have the same set of expenses, and hopefully some zots will get allotted that way.

 

edit: Final Fantasy 12 actually had some nice spear action, for those that haven't played it.

[azarhal]

It was more a reference to spears in medieval fantasy games in general rather than just Dragon Age

 

Wrong word to use then.

 

Also, spears have been in the DA games, they are just not "playable". DA2 even have ex-Qunari that throw some at you (technically that's javelin, but whatever).

[Kidd]

Ok so how big is the animation budget? With all the planned assets so far how much of that budget would have been used? And more importantly how much would it cost for extra combat animations for an extra weapon type? Nobody is denying that extra animations means extra work and extra cost, the question is not does this inflate the budget but rather how much does this inflate the budget? How much does this game cost to make and how much do they expect this game to bring in?

My guess is that the PS3 memory budget is hit before the animators' budget. It's fully possible that we may see things like this with the next Dragon Age game as chances are it'll be nextgen-only.

[Ibn_Shisha]

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edit: Final Fantasy 12 actually had some nice spear action, for those that haven't played it.

True. FF actually has a long tradition of spear wielders.

[Inquisitor Mary Sue]

Wrong word to use then.

 

Does it matter?

[sunnydxmen]

That's utterly irrelevant for a videogame. 

 if its irrelevant then why isi it not in more games obviously they think about that. a sword/ax  will have the advantage once they chop it to pieces all it takes is one good chop.

[cindercatz]

Agreed. I like the idea of gory stuff happening at the sharp end of the long pointy stick. But polearms are usually only good in mass combat, full-scale attacks and pretty much a one-trick-pony, being especially an awesome defense against enemy's cavalry. Doesn't work much for one-on-one combat.

 

Spear training, really more bladed polearms and staves but still, are practiced as single combat weapon styles even today, and spears are still pretty much the tribal weapon of choice where people still live that way, not just as form in line weapons. They were also used in gladiatorial combat. Action movie combat wise, check out Troy or some of Jacky Chan's stuff. Long pikes and lances would be mostly useless in other situations, granted, but those aren't really the same class of weapon. And my ancestor shaved a king's head with a poleaxe, so there

 

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[azarhal]

Does it matter?

 

Communication only work if people can understand each others, using the right word to generate the appropriate context is a requirement.

Or of you prefer the blunt approach: To me, you came off as someone who had no idea what kind of weapons were available in the DA series with your "comeback" and I pretty much decided you where just trolling.

[Halfdan The Menace]

Spear training, really more bladed polearms and staves but still, are practiced as single combat weapon styles even today, and spears are still pretty much the tribal weapon of choice where people still live that way, not just as form in line weapons. The were also used in gladiatorial combat. Action movie combat wise, check out Troy or some of Jacky Chan's stuff. Long pikes and lances would be mostly useless in other situations, granted, but those aren't really the same class of weapon. And my ancestor shaved a king's head with a poleaxe, so there
 
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Small spears are acceptable I guess. They definitely more useful than dull swords/machetes.

I see what you did there.

[Heimdall]

Small spears are acceptable I guess. They definitely more useful than dull swords/machetes.

I see what you did there.

Knowing Bioware, "small spears" will be about as accurately sized as their "daggers"

[SNascimento]

 if its irrelevant then why isi it not in more games obviously they think about that. a sword/ax  will have the advantage once they chop it to pieces all it takes is one good chop.

If they consider realism why does dragon exist? Although, if you're going for realism, then spears should be in the game without a doubt, considering it was the most common weapon of them all.  

[Inquisitor Mary Sue]

Communication only work if people can understand each others, using the right word to generate the appropriate context is a requirement.

Or of you prefer the blunt approach: To me, you came off as someone who had no idea what kind of weapons were available in the DA series with your "comeback" and I pretty much decided you where just trolling.

 

Personally I didn't think people would take the title so literally and I thought that it was pretty clear in my OP that I was talking about medieval fantasy games in general, there is only so much information that can be conveyed in a title and I expect if somebody is going to click on the thread they would at least have the decency to read the OP to get a better understanding of what the thread is about.

[Setiweb]

Ever think spears will make a comeback?

My first thought was, "Britney?  Not really."

[cindercatz]

 if its irrelevant then why isi it not in more games obviously they think about that. a sword/ax  will have the advantage once they chop it to pieces all it takes is one good chop.

In that scene, you have some factors at play. 1. It's a wooden haft. 2. It's a direct strike against the length of it. 3. Mountain's supposed to be extremely strong.

[cindercatz]

Small spears are acceptable I guess. They definitely more useful than dull swords/machetes.

I see what you did there.

[Uetap]

 

 

How'd that end, though?

 

 

Spears get you killed, man.

 

All Spear Gladiators ( Hoplomachus ) in Spartacus die: Barca, Auctus.

 

300? 299 of them die.

 

Oberyn, basically the only spear user in ASOIAF? Dead.

[AkiKishi]

Spear user in Souls games, not really sure why so few games use them.

[Ibn_Shisha]

How'd that end, though?

 

 

Spears get you killed, man.

 

All Spear Gladiators ( Hoplomachus ) in Spartacus die: Barca, Auctus.

 

300? 299 of them die.

 

Oberyn, basically the only spear user in ASOIAF? Dead.

Meera.

 

Edit: And let us not forget the Aiel.

[Lurklen]

Didn't the qunari use spears in DA2?