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#76
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That last bit isn't exactly true. Its a bit of a popular myth that polearms aren't viable in solo combat.

 

Spears aren't "polearms" (except in D&D).  Pikes and similarly long-hafted weapons actually ARE pretty darn useless in one-on-one combat, but a pike is like 15' long.  They're predominately useful in a mass formation for keeping an enemy at a distance.  Of course, if you're fighting inside an actual building (that isn't, like, a cathedral) ANY weapon that's more than about 2.5' long is more of an encumbrance than a help.



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And yet not only did you finished watching the video, but you wasted even more of your precious life ranting about it on the Internet. Now what are we to make of that?

 

His high horse must be a bleeding elephant at this point.

 

I do think spears should be in myself. Animations shouldn't be a concern when they can lovingly craft a very convincing dragon. It's not like it's going to be 100% realistic either; just some thrusts and jabs, maybe a few parries and the smashing special attacks warriors use in Dragon Age for dramatic effect. If Dark Souls can have one and two-handed spears (to say nothing of the myriads of other weapons) with about a tenth of what Inquisition's budget must be, they really have no excuse. It's not like the characters in the game use, well, any weapon in a realistic fashion anyway.



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That last bit isn't exactly true. Its a bit of a popular myth that polearms aren't viable in solo combat.

 

The Vikings would duel each other with spears. In fact, despite Hollywood depictions of Vikings all being armed with swords they primarily fought with spears both in massed battles and in duels. Samurai also occasionally fought with polearms in duels as well, as did certain classes of gladiator in ancient Rome.

 

 

Here sir, have a 'classier' picture:

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Or these two, although one is a trident:

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Spears aren't "polearms" (except in D&D).


I assume you meant to say "pikes" where you said polearm. But yes, very few polearms exceeded 10 feet in length. Most were 5-8 feet. Among those weapons longer than 10 feet (e.g. pikes), they were pretty much used in tandem with another weapon because they became useless in a melee due to their absurd length.

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All I can think of with this question is Oberyn Martell and his awesome, acrobatic, spear-twirling fighting style. Spears are not dead.

 

Valid point, at least for Unsullied.  That still leaves Meera, though for ASOIAF.

 

And Aiel.  One of the most powerful military forces ever to exist in fantasy, and spear is their favored weapon, with swords being complete taboo.

lol That wasn't a "valid point".



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I'd love to be able to make a warrior modeled after a greek hoplite.

 

*snip*

 

Maybe in DA4 or whenever they decide to have us head into the Tevinter Imperium? They seem like they could have their rank and file soldiers fighting in a similar style.

This is basically how picture spears working in DA, hopefully next game or dlc make it reality



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People are forgetting that spears have been confirmed in DA:I, but they're Male Only equipment and only accessible once you reach a certain point in a romance subplot.   

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That last bit isn't exactly true. Its a bit of a popular myth that polearms aren't viable in solo combat.

 

The Vikings would duel each other with spears. In fact, despite Hollywood depictions of Vikings all being armed with swords they primarily fought with spears both in massed battles and in duels.

 

That really doesn't prove much.



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(snip)
Samurai also occasionally fought with polearms in duels as well (snip)

Naginata? To some extent, but it was mostly employed as anti-cavalry.

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All I can think of with this question is Oberyn Martell and his awesome, acrobatic, spear-twirling fighting style. Spears are not dead.
 

lol That wasn't a "valid point".

Valid in the argument of 'bad things happening to famous fictional spear users.'
I certainly wouldn't want to make that sacrifice.

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The Masked Empire spoke of pikemen in the army. It is possible that they already have the ability to use lances in Inquisition but Bioware is being tight-lipped about it. 



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Swords will always be the big thing (Harder to have EPIC duels with spears I guess), but I'd like to see some polearms.

 

Go watch the last five minuets of "The Mountain and the Viper", GoT Season 4 Episode 8, then come back and re think your post.



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Go watch the last five minuets of "The Mountain and the Viper", GoT Season 4 Episode 8, then come back and re think your post.

 

Perhaps you should go check what the gentleman on the previous page had to say about that.



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Naginata? To some extent, but it was mostly employed as anti-cavalry.

 

Yari (basically a spear) is the one designed to fight cavalry. Naginatas were designed to fight fights that a katana or no dachi would have trouble in. Such as mass yari or fighting multiple fighters.



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TheEgoRaptor

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Perhaps you should go check what the gentleman on the previous page had to say about that.

 The Unfortunate events with Oberyn were a direct result of his over confidence and idiocy when dealing with a man of the Mountain's stature and brutality. He trounced him with a spear, won the fight but lost the battle so to speak. When dealing with man, or beast for that matter, of anywhere near that size, I'd take a good spear any day. 



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until elderscrolls brings them back, we wont see them



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Uh-huh. I'm sure you're a real expert.



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Well, that's 5 minutes of my life I can never get back. People actually watch this stuff? I mean, it basically was Disney magic storyline with sex and gore for shock value, complete with "DO YOU SEE THIS GUY'S HUBRIS? HE'S GOING TO LOSE, HAR HAR". Starts with a ribbon dance before a fight, which didn't exactly entertain, then the payoff was absolutely ridiculous. Giant dude might as well have shot laser beams out of his eyes; it would have made more sense than that stupid strangle-magnet-hands trope capped by quite possibly the stupidest non-reaction ever put to film. Gods, what trash.

 

Wow you seem upset? This goes beyond a mere critical review of the show, it is almost as if you have a personal vendetta against the series itself? What happened? J.R.R Martin kill off your favorite character?

 

I am guessing this is more your idea of an epic duel?

 


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It's not a matter of budget in this case, it's a matter of memory.  Animations take up space in the same manner that character models, textures, level designs, and weapon models due.  If you throw in another set of weapon animations, then you'll likely have to limit something else to compensate.  Adding in spears could mean less weapon models per weapon type (i.e. scimitar, broadsword, longsword).  So would you rather have spears or more varied weapon appearances?  It's hard to say, but it's a call that the developers make.

 

 

In a perfect world, there would be an animation for every type of weapon.  After all, a sword parries, slashes, and stabs, but an axe cuts and a mace smashes.  To put it simply, technology still has its limitations.  

 

Mh, what of using melee-animations of staves, then, in case they receive those anyway? DA2 did have those, and those would be quite serviceable for basic attacks. Include some jab- and impale-animations for greatswords which can be used for spears, and off you go.

 

 

Valid point, at least for Unsullied.  That still leaves Meera, though for ASOIAF.

 

And Aiel.  One of the most powerful military forces ever to exist in fantasy, and spear is their favored weapon, with swords being complete taboo.

 

Nice to see those fellows brought up. Keep in mind, though, they are still using absurdly large daggers on the side, which are pointed out as being quasi short-swords in Book VII of TWoT if I recall correctly. Of course, do never tell the Aiel that. ^_^

 

 

Personally, I have voiced that I am all in favour of spears and pole-arms making an appearance beyond codex-entries in the past, and I still am.



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That really doesn't prove much.

 

Yes, it does.

 

The Vikings primarily fought with spears both in solo combat and in massed battles. So did the samurai. And certain classes of gladiator fought with spears. And medieval combat manuals include instruction on fighting one on one with spears or similar weapons. Its a myth that they aren't viable for solo combat. 


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Spears is so 1998.

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I think spears would be good weapons for killing "monsters" - big strong things with tough hides that you want to stick from a distance.



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Yari (basically a spear) is the one designed to fight cavalry. Naginatas were designed to fight fights that a katana or no dachi would have trouble in. Such as mass yari or fighting multiple fighters.

 


Don't have the actual Tuttle Book on hand, but BB also brings it up


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I love how some are arguing against adding spears to a video game with "lol spears so useless in real life", and cite a guy's defeat in a choreographed fight as evidence for it. Never change internet, never change.

 

Well, the greatest non modern army of all time used a sword as their main weapon, so there is that. But all others, at least in the western world, seem to have favored spears and/or pikes. 

 

I'm curious as to what army that would be. Of the three that come to my mind the only one that truly favored the sword would be the Romans.


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