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[Zarro-Morningstar]

Hey guys what choices do you think would create the "Perfect" or "Good" World State? 

[TheLittleBird]

Hey guys what choices do you think would create the "Perfect" or "Good" World State? 

 

Warden's race, gender, class and romance don't really matter, same goes for Hawke.

Spoiler

Ostagar

Buy food for prisoner

Cure mabari hound

 

Nature of the Beast

Broker peace

Bring Cammen & Gheyna together

Cure the halla

Bring Deygan to the camp

Bring Varathorn ironbark

Tell Athras the truth about his wife

 

Paragon of her Kind

Side with Caridin, kill Branka

Help Dagna get to the Circle

Help Burkel with a Chantry

Make Bhelen king

Bring the tome to the Shaperate

Help Zerlinda

Kill Ruck and say he died heroically

Prove Legion of the Dead connection

Don't smuggle lyrium

Help Orta join the Assembly

(if you had a son with Mardy, restore him)

 

Urn of Sacred Ashes & Redcliffe

Don't defile the Urn

Help Redcliffe prepare and fight

Bella owns the inn

Bring both Bevin and the sword back

Help Owen's daughter

Isolde lives, Connor lives (not possessed)

 

Denerim

Ser Landry lives

Handled the Crimson Oars

Didn't complete Slim Couldry's crime wave

Gave Alfstanna the ring

Returned the amulet

Clear customers out of the Pearl

Kill Ignacio

Told Sighard about Oswyn

Brought scroll to Justine

 

Landsmeet

Anora and Alistair rule

 

Companions

Zevran lives

Oghren recruited

Dog recruited

Alistair lives

Shale lives

Recruited Sten by persuading the Reverend and got his sword

Wynne recruited, and she lives

Loghain lives

Morrigan had baby with Warden (or either Loghain or Alistair if the Warden is female)

Leliana lives

 

Broken Circle

Irving lives

Sided with mages

 

Warden's Keep

Didn't drink the blood potion

Sided with Avernus

 

Awakening

Saved Vigil's Keep (for now, the perfect choice would be to fully upgrade the keep and then save Amaranthine)

Let the Architect live

 

Witch Hunt

If possible, have the Warden leave with Morrigan

If not, let Morrigan go without stabbing her

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That is how I'd go for Origins within the Keep as it is now. Do keep in mind that some of these choices are very subjective and other choices instead of those could very well be considered 'good' if provided with the right reasoning. The fate of the Architect is a good example of that. I might post what I'd do in Dragon Age 2 later.

[CissyGraves89]

I just tried that and one of my main world states is still deemed impossible by the Keep. Namely, even in Chrome, it still does not allow for a world state where Alistair is King, the Warden romances Morrigan and has a normal child, Loghain dies killing the Archdemon and the Warden goes through the Eluvian.

Figured I'd try this world state again with the new release of the Keep, but it still freaks out, seemingly not allowing for a world state where Loghain kills the Archdemon and dies while the Warden is able to have a kid with Morrigan. Which makes me wonder if BioWare is just automatically linking the Dark Ritual to Morrigan having a baby, which is not necessarily the case, since in Witch Hunt Morrigan will reference a normal child from the Warden if you slept with her and turned down the Ritual.

And this seems to be the case with trying to make Alistair kill the archdemon too- the Keep does not allow for Alistair to take the killing blow and die while the Warden has a child with Morrigan.

I'm sure its a known issue but I'm also sort of wondering if maybe its a sign that the "normal" non Dark Ritual child of Morrigan is being written out, since its likely a really minor fraction of people that went that route? Or the Keep is just a WIP and I should just chill

The section in companions that shows Morrigan having a child is in reference to the Dark Ritual, not your Warden's romance. If your Warden does the DR, no one dies. That's why you are being fed back that "impossible world state" notice. If you want it made more clear in the Keep, use the "Specific Feedback" option.

Edit: I found the answer on another forum here:
http://forum.bioware...ate/?p=17296275

[Zarro-Morningstar]

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That is how I'd go for Origins within the Keep as it is now. Do keep in mind that some of these choices are very subjective and other choices instead of those could very well be considered 'good' if provided with the right reasoning. The fate of the Architect is a good example of that. I might post what I'd do in Dragon Age 2 later.

Ah good I had pretty much all the same choices, well except for this one my Warden is ruling with Alistair which is probably actually better than Anora and Alistair ruling; but that's just my viewpoint. The main difference I have is the Architect being killed, I DO NOT trust him at all.  As for you posting what you think are the good choices in Dragon Age 2, that I would like to see as well so I can see what I consider good versus what other people think

[TheLittleBird]

Ah good I had pretty much all the same choices, well except for this one my Warden is ruling with Alistair which is probably actually better than Anora and Alistair ruling; but that's just my viewpoint. The main difference I have is the Architect being killed, I DO NOT trust him at all.  As for you posting what you think are the good choices in Dragon Age 2, that I would like to see as well so I can see what I consider good versus what other people think

 

I have this feeling that the decision involving the Architect will come back to either bite you in the *ss or benefit you tremendously later on in the franchise. And yes, the Warden ruling with Alistair is probably a better choice but you can only do that with one type of Warden's gender/race-combination. Though you could argue that the Warden having disappeared around 10 years later might not make the choice so ideal.

[Zarro-Morningstar]

I have this feeling that the decision involving the Architect will come back to either bite you in the *ss or benefit you tremendously later on in the franchise. And yes, the Warden ruling with Alistair is probably a better choice but you can only do that with one type of Warden's gender/race-combination. Though you could argue that the Warden having disappeared around 10 years later might not make the choice so ideal.

That is just how I feel about Merrill and having her breaking the Eluvian or keeping it whole...I think that it could really benefit a Dalish Quizzy but then again...those things are also just so...well they can pretty much screw over everyone. So, I'm torn about that decision as I am with the Architect. The whole thing with Varric keeping the shard...yeah...no.

 

Yeah, that's why I thought you put that as the best choice. And no joke a few seconds after I posted, I thought the same thing you stated about the Warden disappearing might make the choice not so ideal. 

[mannitt]

Well it's been a couple days since I've posted. There was some confusion on the results of Landsmeet and I was one those confused. So after a bunch of research. (Playing the Landsmeet section about a dozen or more times from every possible angle) I've come up with some of the most major outcomes. First, since this was one I was confused on, Alistair can't be king by himself if Loghain is a Grey Warden. He must be married to Anora. So since I was going to play it so many times, I decided to record it. Below is the final put together version of most of the outcomes possible from the Landsmeet. I think there are a couple I forgot to show. It was starting to be very long. So I had to keep cutting down, eventually only showing mostly the parts that were different. Also I included a small bit on The Keep in at the end. Just my way of trying to do a little ad about it. The video is unlisted for now. Wanted you all to check it out first. Plus I need to sleep for a few days now. This is why I don't ever want to be a Let's Player and really any sort of Youtuber -- makes lots of videos -- person.

 

 

 

 

[BevH]

Nicely done! The only one that I can think of that you missed would be having your warden marry Anora. Unless I took a nap during that part... which is entirely possible. 

[mannitt]

Nicely done! The only one that I can think of that you missed would be having your warden marry Anora. Unless I took a nap during that part... which is entirely possible.

Thank you. It is one I didn't do because that was a mage character. My favorite character to play is a light armored Arcane Warrior Mage. After several hours in I realized that most may not even know what class the character is. I am thinking of doing a full video of the decision I did with that character and have actual Mage robes on and a staff.

[BevH]

LOL - I should have recognized the reason why your character was partly invisible. Mages are my favorite class to play... well after being a Cousland. 

[mannitt]

The mage is my favorite to. I enjoyed the Cousland storyline as well. Of course all of the origins I like. I just prefer to be throwing fire with a smidge of warrior thrown in.

[movieguyabw]

 Below is the final put together version of most of the outcomes possible from the Landsmeet. 

 

Actually, it seems like only a few.  0o   Never realized just how many variations there could be to this scene until now.  But yeah, while that covers a lot of the main choices - things like whether or not Alistair is hardened, what you say to Anora prior to the Landsmeet, and what your relationship to Alistair is all seem to cause huge variations in that scene.

 

Also, as far as I know the check to decide whether or not Anora betrays you is based on if you tell her Loghain is beyond redemption before the Landsmeet begins rather than if you back her plea for queen or not.  (at least that's where I saw the trigger was placed when I was playing around in the DA Tool a few weeks ago  XD )

[mannitt]

Also, as far as I know the check to decide whether or not Anora betrays you is based on if you tell her Loghain is beyond redemption before the Landsmeet begins rather than if you back her plea for queen or not. (at least that's where I saw the trigger was placed when I was playing around in the DA Tool a few weeks ago XD )

I know for sure if you say you won't support her she betrays you. I did read somewhere that if you mention killing Loghain as the only alternative. She will also betray you. I however was very late in making this and forgot to try it. I could also try it and add it later. I was originally going to include all the dialogue with Anora before. But as you can see its already fifteen minutes. It would far longer.

I also didn't include losing and getting in all around brawl. Also I noticed if you do the assassinations but kill Master Ignacio. The guy who the Warden did a personal favor for, isn't there. So that also a lost point for the Landsmeet.

There really are so many variations.

[TheLittleBird]

Ah good I had pretty much all the same choices, well except for this one my Warden is ruling with Alistair which is probably actually better than Anora and Alistair ruling; but that's just my viewpoint. The main difference I have is the Architect being killed, I DO NOT trust him at all.  As for you posting what you think are the good choices in Dragon Age 2, that I would like to see as well so I can see what I consider good versus what other people think

 

As promised, here are the choices that I'd consider "good" for Dragon Age II.

 

Hawke's gender, class and romance don't really matter

Spoiler

Prologue

This choice doesn't matter

 

Act 1

Convinced Templars to leave

Returned cargo to Martin

Kelder killed

Returned Saemus to Viscount, Ginnis died

Killed Danzig

Didn't tell Ghyslain the whole truth

Solved mystery of missing miners

Didn't blackmail Ser Thrask

Idunna is alive and well

Sent Feynriel to Dalish

Keran reinstated

Karras alive & well

Defended Ketojan

 

Act 2

Didn't kill Gascard

Didn't side with Varnell

Didn't side with Petrice

Discovered looter of caravans

Saved Merin

Javaris alive

Fought alongside the guards

Feynriel freed and left to Tevinter

Killed Arishok

 

Act 3

Let Zevran go

Killed Nuncio to save Zevran

Handed conspirators to Orsino

Rescued Nathaniel

Reunited Charade with Gamlen

Allowed Emile to go free

Let Keran go

Killed dragon at Bone Pit

Sided with mages

 

Companions

Romance, as said, does not matter

Friends with Varric

Bethany became a Circle mage and lived

/ Carver became a Templar and lived

Bartrand lived

Varric did not keep red lyrium idol

Recruited Isabela

Isabela returned to Hawke

Fenris alive and well

Didn't give Isabela to Arishok

Merrill stayed with Hawke

Merrill alive and well

Merrill destroyed alive

Merrill's clan was not killed

Didn't approve of Anders' actions against the Chantry

Anders alive and well

Aveline married Donnic

Aveline stayed with Hawke

Recruited Sebastian

Didn't kiss Tallis if romancing someone else/Kissed Tallis if not romancing anyone else

Didn't make Tallis angry

 

Legacy

Found Malcolm's will

Sided with Larius

 

That is how I'd go for Dragon Age II within the Keep as it is now. Do keep in mind that some of these choices are very subjective and other choices instead of those could very well be considered 'good' if provided with the right reasoning. The fate of Corypheus is a good example of that. 

[sihmah]

Making my World States, I'm realizing I make the exact same goody-two-shoes decisions with every playthrough. Thankfully, I can totally use the keep to make an Evil Warden without having to disappoint/upset my sweet pixel people.  

[Zarro-Morningstar]

As promised, here are the choices that I'd consider "good" for Dragon Age II.

 

Hawke's gender, class and romance don't really matter

Spoiler

Prologue

This choice doesn't matter

 

Act 1

Convinced Templars to leave

Returned cargo to Martin

Kelder killed

Returned Saemus to Viscount, Ginnis died

Killed Danzig

Didn't tell Ghyslain the whole truth

Solved mystery of missing miners

Didn't blackmail Ser Thrask

Idunna is alive and well

Sent Feynriel to Dalish

Keran reinstated

Karras alive & well

Defended Ketojan

 

Act 2

Didn't kill Gascard

Didn't side with Varnell

Didn't side with Petrice

Discovered looter of caravans

Saved Merin

Javaris alive

Fought alongside the guards

Feynriel freed and left to Tevinter

Killed Arishok

 

Act 3

Let Zevran go

Killed Nuncio to save Zevran

Handed conspirators to Orsino

Rescued Nathaniel

Reunited Charade with Gamlen

Allowed Emile to go free

Let Keran go

Killed dragon at Bone Pit

Sided with mages

 

Companions

Romance, as said, does not matter

Friends with Varric

Bethany became a Circle mage and lived

/ Carver became a Templar and lived

Bartrand lived

Varric did not keep red lyrium idol

Recruited Isabela

Isabela returned to Hawke

Fenris alive and well

Didn't give Isabela to Arishok

Merrill stayed with Hawke

Merrill alive and well

Merrill destroyed alive

Merrill's clan was not killed

Didn't approve of Anders' actions against the Chantry

Anders alive and well

Aveline married Donnic

Aveline stayed with Hawke

Recruited Sebastian

Didn't kiss Tallis if romancing someone else/Kissed Tallis if not romancing anyone else

Didn't make Tallis angry

 

Legacy

Found Malcolm's will

Sided with Larius

 

That is how I'd go for Dragon Age II within the Keep as it is now. Do keep in mind that some of these choices are very subjective and other choices instead of those could very well be considered 'good' if provided with the right reasoning. The fate of Corypheus is a good example of that. 

I have a few bugs which I already sent in, I am not able to help Merin's father and save Nathaniel. And I don't think you can have Anders alive if you are in a romance with Sebastian. I had many of the same decisions but I killed Kerras I think...I just do not have trust for people like that.

[movieguyabw]

I have a few bugs which I already sent in, I am not able to help Merin's father and save Nathaniel. And I don't think you can have Anders alive if you are in a romance with Sebastian. I had many of the same decisions but I killed Kerras I think...I just do not have trust for people like that.

 

According to the wiki, "Fool's Gold" only occurs if Nathaniel dies so it actually isn't a bug that you can't do both.  

 

Also, personally I wouldn't say sparing Anders and recruiting Sebastian in the same playthrough is the best option - as Sebastian swears to wage war with Kirkwall if that happens.  But yeah, it all is subjective really.  

[The Bear Muse]

Also, personally I wouldn't say sparing Anders and recruiting Sebastian in the same playthrough is the best option - as Sebastian swears to wage war with Kirkwall if that happens.  But yeah, it all is subjective really.  

 

I was under the impression that the DA2 DLC happens whether you own it or not....meaning that no matter what, if Anders is spared, Sebastian still reacts accordingly on Elthina's behalf.

[TheLittleBird]

I was under the impression that the DA2 DLC happens whether you own it or not....meaning that no matter what, if Anders is spared, Sebastian still reacts accordingly on Elthina's behalf.

 

But there is an option in the Keep to recruit Sebastian, so I suppose that could be taken into account. Sebastian might still wage war though considering he's still very much alive in Thedas if not recruited.

 

EDIT: oh wait that's basically what you said, right? *facepalms at his own stupidity*

[CENIC]

Anyone else find that there are some choices they just cannot make, even in the Keep?

I try to keep my identity and my characters separate so I can make choices I wouldn't normally make if they mean a more interesting plot... but I just CANNOT bring myself to let the Architect live, not even in my Ultimate Sacrifice world state, where it technically would not be MY Warden making that decision.

[movieguyabw]

I'm pretty sure it only occurs if you actually recruit him - which is a choice we're given.  If you don't recruit him he still exists - he is still wandering around Kirkwall during Act 1 looking for revenge for his family's death.  He just never gets help from you for it.  And by Act 3, the only reason he wages war is because you allow Anders to live after bombing the Chantry.  Even if Sebastian wasn't in the Chantry when it blew up, it's likely that he has no idea who was actually responsible, or if they're still alive - so probably wouldn't have any reason to bring an army to Kirkwall.

[FrozenSolid]

Anyone else find that there are some choices they just cannot make, even in the Keep?

I try to keep my identity and my characters separate so I can make choices I wouldn't normally make if they mean a more interesting plot... but I just CANNOT bring myself to let the Architect live, not even in my Ultimate Sacrifice world state, where it technically would not be MY Warden making that decision.

 

I can pretty easily split my own interests/views with that of my characters. I tend to feel awful when a character does something terrible (Siding with Branka is objectively the WRONG THING TO DO, but I did it on one of my characters.)

[The Bear Muse]

Anyone else find that there are some choices they just cannot make, even in the Keep?

 

No one gets possessed by a demon or made Tranquil. Ever.

[movieguyabw]

Anyone else find that there are some choices they just cannot make, even in the Keep?

I try to keep my identity and my characters separate so I can make choices I wouldn't normally make if they mean a more interesting plot... but I just CANNOT bring myself to let the Architect live, not even in my Ultimate Sacrifice world state, where it technically would not be MY Warden making that decision.

 

Ultimate Sacrifice.  Love that it's an option - but would never choose it myself.  IMO a hero should always survive their story.  

[Zarro-Morningstar]

So I'm interested to know why you think that Carver being a Templar and Bethany being a Circle Mage is the "good choice", is it because that's what Hawke's mother wanted?