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[Zarro-Morningstar]

Yeah so I checked again and if you are in a romance with Sebastian then you cannot spare Anders, I tried and it would had changed my choice from "Sebastian Romanced" to "No Romance".

[The Bear Muse]

Yeah so I checked again and if you are in a romance with Sebastian then you cannot spare Anders, I tried and it would had changed my choice from "Sebastian Romanced" to "No Romance".

 

We ran into that while Allan was setting up his crowdsourced world state, actually! The Keep is going with "if Sebastian leaves, the romance wasn't completed," despite friendmances culminating in the chaste marriage earlier in act 3.

 

It's a little strange, especially since you can currently romance Anders, but still kill him, implying that the romance peaked when Anders moved in.

 

I may did file another report on that.

[CENIC]

We ran into that while Allan was setting up his crowdsourced world state, actually! The Keep is going with "if Sebastian leaves, the romance wasn't completed," despite friendmances culminating in the chaste marriage earlier in act 3.

It's a little strange, especially since you can currently romance Anders, but still kill him, implying that the romance peaked when Anders moved in.

I may file another report on that.

Oh, wow!

If that isn't considered important enough to fix, it kinda clinches that Sebastian is never coming back.
If I romanced him and he left because I didn't kill Anders, I'd expect a different reaction to Hawke than one who didn't romance him and spared Anders.

There's also no option to say that you were a player who slept with multiple characters before choosing one (or none)

[The Bear Muse]

Oh, wow!

If that isn't considered important enough to fix, it kinda clinches that Sebastian is never coming back.
If I romanced him and he left because I didn't kill Anders, I'd expect a different reaction to Hawke than one who didn't romance him and spared Anders.

There's also no option to say that you were a player who slept with multiple characters before choosing one (or none)

 

Nah, beta is beta. It's an obscure option, because how many players would go to the trouble of romancing Sebastian only to lose him at the end?

 

Since there are occasions in DA2 where previous liaisons come up, it would be nice to have tiles for them.

[Zarro-Morningstar]

Actually the thing with killing Anders while being in a romance isn't too strange, I mean it was a pretty good ending to the romance for some people. As for the romance peaking when he moved in, that I can see as well. I mean his "home" if you could call it that was close to being compromised so he moved in with his lover, Hawke showing that he truly cared about them.

[Potato Cat]

I think the Sebastian romance/living Anders thing was the first thing I reported. I was really depressed and kinda annoyed I had to choose, especially since the Hawke in question was married to the guy.

I was also kinda saddened by the lack of 'in a romance with this person before I chose this person'. But that would no doubt mean a lot dialogue for a character like Leliana, so it's understandable.

[Potato Cat]

Nah, beta is beta. It's an obscure option, because how many players would go to the trouble of romancing Sebastian only to lose him at the end?
 
Since there are occasions in DA2 where previous liaisons come up, it would be nice to have tiles for them.

Moi? I like the drama!

[Zarro-Morningstar]

I am one for drama...to an extent...too much drama is just annoying in my opinion and it also somewhat desensitizes you to the rest/previous drama.

[TheLittleBird]

So I'm interested to know why you think that Carver being a Templar and Bethany being a Circle Mage is the "good choice", is it because that's what Hawke's mother wanted?

 

Yes, but also because having Carver or Bethany join the Wardens is simply condemning them to live as a Warden and die early via way of the Calling. Having them die in the Deep Roads is obviously not good, and having them serve as Templar or Circle Mage, respectively, will eventually get them back to the old ways if kept alive. If you want to look at it from a roleplaying perspective, you could say that Hawke feels bringing his.her sibling into the Deep Roads is simply too dangerous, as my Hawke felt.

[CENIC]

Yes, but also because having Carver or Bethany join the Wardens is simply condemning them to live as a Warden and die early via way of the Calling. Having them die in the Deep Roads is obviously not good, and having them serve as Templar or Circle Mage, respectively, will eventually get them back to the old ways if kept alive. If you want to look at it from a roleplaying perspective, you could say that Hawke feels bringing his.her sibling into the Deep Roads is simply too dangerous, as my Hawke felt.

I think one could argue that making Carver a Grey Warden was a better choice (for him) because his attitude really improves as a Warden.
Bethany, however, is definitely better off in the Circle... though, that does put her in danger at the end of DA2.

Not knocking your choices though!
Everyone looks at it differently, and that isn't a bad thing.

[Potato Cat]

I think one could argue that making Carver a Grey Warden was a better choice (for him) because his attitude really improves as a Warden.
Bethany, however, is definitely better off in the Circle... though, that does put her in danger at the end of DA2.
Not knocking your choices though!
Everyone looks at it differently, and that isn't a bad thing.

I agree with you. However, I have to say I am more interested in Templar Carver and where he ends up than Grey Warden Carver. Especially now with the Templars split up like they are. Is he still loyal to the Chantry? Did he follow Lambert? Is he a Red Templar now? Is he even still a Templar?

[CENIC]

I agree with you. However, I have to say I am more interested in Templar Carver and where he ends up than Grey Warden Carver. Especially now with the Templars split up like they are. Is he still loyal to the Chantry? Did he follow Lambert? Is he a Red Templar now? Is he even still a Templar?

Same!

I couldn't imagine not making Carver a Templar myself. My mage Hawke was basically Anders' MAGE JUSTICE puppet and supported him every step of the way, so seeing Carver step up to defend her at the end gave me some serious feels-uh.

I'd be interested in seeing him again... hopefully not covered in Red Lyrium

[The Bear Muse]

*quietly tosses Warden Bethany into the ring* She actually gains more confidence in herself as a mage in the Wardens, even though she doesn't take to that life the same way Carver does.

 

I've only done it once, but none of the Circle Bethanies clicked with my Hawkes the way that one Warden Bethany did.

[Potato Cat]

*quietly tosses Warden Bethany into the ring* She actually gains more confidence in herself as a mage in the Wardens, even though she doesn't take to that life the same way Carver does.
 
I've only done it once, but none of the Circle Bethanies clicked with my Hawkes the way that one Warden Bethany did.

Really? I always felt she seemed really depressed and kinda dark. Circle Bethany seemed happier to me overall.

Again, that said, if I were to meet one again, I'd rather see Warden Bethany. She just edges out though over the other one though.

[Darkfighter99]

I like Carver as a grey warden better, it just fits him more for some reason.

[The Bear Muse]

Really? I always felt she seemed really depressed and kinda dark. Circle Bethany seemed happier to me overall.

Again, that said, if I were to meet one again, I'd rather see Warden Bethany. She just edges out though over the other one though.

 

Yeah, I was surprised too! But after you pick her up on the way to the Gallows, she's really truly herself for the first time. In the Circle, she's still being careful about her magic use. With the Wardens, it's a choice for her to self-discipline as she shines. There's a looseness in her manner that's absent in Circle Bethany.

 

Both are totally good and valid options; I'm just saying that I regret not meeting Warden Bethany sooner!

[Brockololly]

The section in companions that shows Morrigan having a child is in reference to the Dark Ritual, not your Warden's romance. If your Warden does the DR, no one dies. That's why you are being fed back that "impossible world state" notice. If you want it made more clear in the Keep, use the "Specific Feedback" option.

Edit: I found the answer on another forum here:
http://forum.bioware...ate/?p=17296275

Hmmm... well, I just tried that but it still does not work out.

 

Let's assume that the "Did Morrigan have a baby?" choice is actually referring to "Did someone perform the Dark Ritual with Morrigan?" If that's what that choice is actually flagging, then setting it to "Morrigan did not have a baby" should still allow for the existence of a normal baby conceived via the Warden romancing Morrigan in the course of the game, but not the Dark Ritual.

 

So I changed my world state to Loghain killing the Archdemon and Morrigan not having a baby, but the Warden still romanced her. You still run into the problem where with that world state, the Keep does not allow for you to have your Warden go through the Eluvian with Morrigan, which makes no sense, since you can definitely do that in Witch Hunt if you romanced Morrigan but turned down the Dark Ritual.

 

The only precondition to going through the Eluvian with Morrigan in Witch Hunt is that you romanced her, but the Keep doesn't seem to allow that unless you choose that you had a child with her, but choosing to have a child with Morrigan in the Keep leads to being forced to have no one die killing the Archdemon, which would seem to assume that the Warden did the Dark Ritual. When instead you could have had Loghain take the final blow, still having your Warden alive and available to go through the Eluvian.

 

Which makes me come back to the "Did Morrigan have a baby?" choice in the Keep. I just think they need to break that down more to make it more clearly specify that its actually referring to someone doing the Dark Ritual or add another choice available that the Warden had a child with Morrigan despite not performing the Dark Ritual.

[theflyingzamboni]

Hmmm... well, I just tried that but it still does not work out.

 

Let's assume that the "Did Morrigan have a baby?" choice is actually referring to "Did someone perform the Dark Ritual with Morrigan?" If that's what that choice is actually flagging, then setting it to "Morrigan did not have a baby" should still allow for the existence of a normal baby conceived via the Warden romancing Morrigan in the course of the game, but not the Dark Ritual.

 

So I changed my world state to Loghain killing the Archdemon and Morrigan not having a baby, but the Warden still romanced her. You still run into the problem where with that world state, the Keep does not allow for you to have your Warden go through the Eluvian with Morrigan, which makes no sense, since you can definitely do that in Witch Hunt if you romanced Morrigan but turned down the Dark Ritual.

 

The only precondition to going through the Eluvian with Morrigan in Witch Hunt is that you romanced her, but the Keep doesn't seem to allow that unless you choose that you had a child with her, but choosing to have a child with Morrigan in the Keep leads to being forced to have no one die killing the Archdemon, which would seem to assume that the Warden did the Dark Ritual. When instead you could have had Loghain take the final blow, still having your Warden alive and available to go through the Eluvian.

 

Which makes me come back to the "Did Morrigan have a baby?" choice in the Keep. I just think they need to break that down more to make it more clearly specify that its actually referring to someone doing the Dark Ritual or add another choice available that the Warden had a child with Morrigan despite not performing the Dark Ritual.

I will independently confirm that this is indeed the case, and should not be. Since the baby in Keep is only the DR baby and the normal one is simply implied, This should work.

[The Bear Muse]

Which makes me come back to the "Did Morrigan have a baby?" choice in the Keep. I just think they need to break that down more to make it more clearly specify that its actually referring to someone doing the Dark Ritual or add another choice available that the Warden had a child with Morrigan despite not performing the Dark Ritual.

 

The simplest way to cover that is most likely adding a tile for the non-OGB situation, since adding a whole new choice would require more tiles. Since we're this close to release already (it's almost October!), this would be efficient on all ends. Plus it saves on changing a bunch of the flavor text, since the question is still whether Morrigan had a baby.

[Seberin]

How is babby formed?

how girl get pragnent

[AresKeith]

I like Carver as a grey warden better, it just fits him more for some reason.

 

Yea I feel the same way

 

He seems happier in a way as a Grey Warden the same as Bethany as a Circle Mage

[Darkfighter99]

The simplest way to cover that is most likely adding a tile for the non-OGB situation, since adding a whole new choice would require more tiles. Since we're this close to release already (it's almost October!), this would be efficient on all ends. Plus it saves on changing a bunch of the flavor text, since the question is still whether Morrigan had a baby.

 

 

I know, I keep having to answer this question but

adding a tile for that is redundant because if you romance morrigan the result of

thst choice is the Non god baby, and choosing to having a baby would mean you romanced morrigan

since we don't have a choice for multiple romances. it would better for the devs to put in the

FAQ that not every choice will be in the keep because some consequences happen no matter

what, as a result of that choice like choosing to be a human noble result in always having

dog as companion, or romancing morrigan always results in a baby, regardless of the DR.

 

The devs should make this clear, in order for people not be confused, and to avoid having people

asking questions that have been answer multiple times.

[movieguyabw]

 

The devs should make this clear, in order for people not be confused, and to avoid having people

asking questions that have been answer multiple times.

 

While I agree with this, I do also agree that the Morrigan baby section is a little confusing.  I imagine the intention was to make the slide's wording vague so that people who have never played the game will not be spoiled.  (I feel this is probably why setting your Warden to being "alive and well" automatically changes who killed the Archdemon, rather than if the Warden had the child, as well)  However, as it reads just that "Morrigan had a baby with the Warden" I imagine a lot of people will take that to mean either the OGB or the one created by the romance.

 

Personally, I don't think a new option should be added - I do feel however that maybe the tiles should be renamed.  Something along the lines of "The Warden performed a dark ritual" should be vague enough to not give away the plot twist to newcomers.  But it should also be clear enough for people who have played that the option only determines if Morrigan has the OGB.  

[The Bear Muse]

There are a few redundant tiles (Seamus/Ginnis come to mind, since those tiles are always opposite each other) in the name of clarity. Alistair's royal status (or not) is listed in multiple places because it needs to be.

 

While it might not be technically necessary to have a different tile for the non-OGB, it could be a solution to solving some of this confusion. I'm not saying it's the best solution, merely that the idea shouldn't be written off completely as yet.

[riverbanks]

We ran into that while Allan was setting up his crowdsourced world state, actually! The Keep is going with "if Sebastian leaves, the romance wasn't completed," despite friendmances culminating in the chaste marriage earlier in act 3.

 

It's a little strange, especially since you can currently romance Anders, but still kill him, implying that the romance peaked when Anders moved in.

 

I did take issue with this as well, because these things aren't mutually exclusive. Sebastian may have stormed off in anger, but he and my Hawke were still husband and wife. And maybe what's implied here is that Sebastian is so scorned by your choice that he ultimately divorces you over it, but the romance still happened. And well, at least the way I roleplayed this scene, Hawke simply let Sebastian go at that moment without protest because her reasons for choosing not to kill Anders right there and then were something that could be explained/argued/made peace with at a later time, it just wasn't the time to sit down and have a long talk about it when the city was burning down. It definitely wasn't something worth breaking a marriage that took so long to get off the ground and demanded so many sacrifices from both of them over.

 

On a metagame/non-roleplaying angle, it's also bothering me because this is forcing me to choose between keeping either the potential for a Sebastian cameo who acknowleges his marriage to the Champion, or the potential for seeing an Anders cameo at all, since this is the only playthrough where I kept him alive. Or even between a simple codex entry that says "the Champion married Sebastian,"  or another that says "the Champion spared the rebel apostate." It doesn't matter in what capacity they're reflected, but I'm going to miss one of these plot reflections either way I go, when technically I should be able to keep both. The either/or here is a bit awkward.