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[auronvigo]

Since the hero synchronization is down I decided to challenge the system on my first world state. I made as many contradicting decisions as I could. I wanted to see if the system could keep my ball of Christmas tree lights untangled. I have to say it did a great job. Just a few errors.

 

I went with a YOLO setup for the second slate. I wanted to see what it would be like for a person who is starting the series with Inquisition to try and create a custom import in the Keep. Since they never played the first 2 games they would not have a real understanding of the choices and would be picking options at random. The result was a bit bonkers.  

 

I think I'll try a mischievous Dwarf Commoner/ nihilistic "my family is gone; life is meaningless" Hawke combo next and see how that flies. 

[Jocster85]

I do love that, which really makes the world and different origins like alternate realities. I wonder if anyone ever attempted a fanfic or thought about what would have happened if they all lived? Or they all lived and were recruited as wardens.

That would be so awesome to read and you would have to think of how screwed the arch demon and it's hoard would have been if they had all lived, and they were all good guys, though I think some of them would have had a real mean streak in their character, at least that's how I see the dwarf castless

[Freskione2]

After reading a vast assortment of better titled names than mine I realize mine are pretty simple and easy to remember. But I'm going to share anyway. 

Simple:

Good Girl

Wishy Washy Girl

Bad Girl

 

Guess what kind of character they have? 

[Lady Mutare]

"Did the Warden go thru the Eluvian with Morrigan"?

I never romanced Morrigan in any scenario.  I did have her "have an Old God baby" with Al.  So the choices in the Tapestry are they going to give me some bad choice scenario because I am/have a female warden and do not romance M.?  She is my friend, sort of s I wouldnt stab her.  Icant choose the option to go thu the eluvian without changing my status with Alistair and being Queen. So the only choice I have is "Didn't go thru the Eluvian"  Just trying to figure out what ramifications that forced choice will have on a fer male warden toon.

 

[Devil's Avocado]

"Did the Warden go thru the Eluvian with Morrigan"?

I never romanced Morrigan in any scenario.  I did have her "have an Old God baby" with Al.  So the choices in the Tapestry are they going to give me some bad choice scenario because I am/have a female warden and do not romance M.?  She is my friend, sort of s I wouldnt stab her.  Icant choose the option to go thu the eluvian without changing my status with Alistair and being Queen. So the only choice I have is "Didn't go thru the Eluvian"  Just trying to figure out what ramifications that forced choice will have on a fer male warden toon.

A female warden can't go through the Eluvain with her unless you used mods. At best you addressed her as a friend but didn't go through the Eluvian in the end.

Your basically asking a question that requires you play a future DA game and find out, only the devs know and they certainly aren't going to reveal any of their plot plans.

[lduchek]

I take exception to the issue of having to choose that either Alistair or the Warden dies in any world state I've tried. In the actual DAO game, its easy to have both live because of the dark ritual with Morrigan. Why doesn't the Keep tapestry allow this. Am I doing something wrong?

[auronvigo]

I take exception to the issue of having to choose that either Alistair or the Warden dies in any world state I've tried. In the actual DAO game, its easy to have both live because of the dark ritual with Morrigan. Why doesn't the Keep tapestry allow this. Am I doing something wrong?

 

This is easily resolved. Go to Morrigan's ritual first and make your choice. Then go back and fix the other choices. 

[Tsukikage17]

I think I encountered a bug, which I reported.

 

I played a Human Noble female who romanced Alistair. At the Landsmeet, Alistair defeated Loghain in a duel and was chosen as King. He asked my character to become his Queen.

 

During the battle with the Archdemon, Alistair sacrificed himself to it. In fact, I don't believe I was given a choice, I think he forced the decision. This left my character as the survivor and Anora was appointed Queen because of Alistair's death.

 

There is no way to choose an option that represents Alistair dying to kill the Archdemon while also representing that you romanced him and that you were both chosen at the Landsmeet to rule.

[auronvigo]

I think I encountered a bug, which I reported.

 

I played a Human Noble female who romanced Alistair. At the Landsmeet, Alistair defeated Loghain in a duel and was chosen as King. He asked my character to become his Queen.

 

During the battle with the Archdemon, Alistair sacrificed himself to it. In fact, I don't believe I was given a choice, I think he forced the decision. This left my character as the survivor and Anora was appointed Queen because of Alistair's death.

 

There is no way to choose an option that represents Alistair dying to kill the Archdemon while also representing that you romanced him and that you were both chosen at the Landsmeet to rule.

 I tried to replicate your scenario on my tapestry. This is definitely tricky. The only way I got it to work was to pick no ritual with Morrigan and you and Alistair were not lovers. Try to stick to what the world is like at the end of the game. For example if Alistair was made king, and then he died and Anora took over the throne pick Anora rules under the Landsmeet, since that is the bottom line.

[Tsukikage17]

 I tried to replicate your scenario on my tapestry. This is definitely tricky. The only way I got it to work was to pick no ritual with Morrigan and you and Alistair were not lovers. Try to stick to what the world is like at the end of the game. For example if Alistair was made king, and then he died and Anora took over the throne pick Anora rules under the Landsmeet, since that is the bottom line.

 

This bug also occurred when I loaded my save into Dragon Age 2. It didn't recognize Alistair as dead because he was flagged as King from the Landsmeet. I actually had to physically load my old Dragon Age: Origins save and replay the ending so that Anora wound up queen at the Landsmeet while Alistair died with the Archdemon just so I could even play Dragon Age 2 without pulling my hair out.

 

It would be nice if the developers accounted for the possibility he could be crowned King, ask the Warden to become his Queen, and then die battling against the Archdemon. I would even call this a likely scenario because Alistair doesn't give you a choice. If you romance him as the (Human Noble) Warden, he WILL sacrifice himself.

[Faerillis]

Noted something rather strange because of the Keep. Awakening will note Nathaniel as dead in the savefile but lists him as alive-and-well if the Keep is fully upgraded in the epilogue. The result creates an annoying predicament however, where Nathaniel can be, by all accounts alive-and-well, but you get Fool's Gold instead and never see Nathaniel — resulting in an odd and absent option in the Keep.

[Threeparts]

Knowing that some decisions aren't locking properly and that we might well have our world states wiped again before release, I spent some time last weekend... uh. making a spreadsheet with all the plot points currently in the Keep and how they were dealt with by my various heroes. Which I guess outs me as a huge nerd, but after discovering how useful it's been to both double check that I've got lots of variance in my choices (none of my five Wardens dealt with the Ruck decision in the same way, which was kind of neat to realise) and to compare against the Keep and see what decisions are still having trouble sticking, I actually kinda recommend it! 

[Quingy]

[quote name="Madrihel" post="17516730" timestamp="1413408771"]
Out of curiosity, would your Inquisitor try to fix everything or truly make Thedas go to hell? I'm trying to picture the moment you step into Thedas as the Inquisitor and thinking, "Sh*# I've got a lot to do."
That's the thing. I can't decide. I think it would be more fun to try to fix things, to be the single good role model hero in Thedas. You know, for the children.

[Tousen Uchiha]

Did not. Know you could have a regular child with morrigan until the keep suprised me other than that they went it to great detail in a lot of stuff here

[Madrihel]

[quote name="Madrihel" post="17516730" timestamp="1413408771"]
Out of curiosity, would your Inquisitor try to fix everything or truly make Thedas go to hell? I'm trying to picture the moment you step into Thedas as the Inquisitor and thinking, "Sh*# I've got a lot to do."
That's the thing. I can't decide. I think it would be more fun to try to fix things, to be the single good role model hero in Thedas. You know, for the children.

Oh, that would make a great story, wouldn't it? I try to do that in my games, but I love my Origins and ][ companions too much so screwing things up early is pretty much a no-no from me. That there, is probably the best things about the Keep. I don't have to play the game and experience heartbreak if I do want to screw everything up XD

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I think I encountered a bug, which I reported.

 

I played a Human Noble female who romanced Alistair. At the Landsmeet, Alistair defeated Loghain in a duel and was chosen as King. He asked my character to become his Queen.

 

During the battle with the Archdemon, Alistair sacrificed himself to it. In fact, I don't believe I was given a choice, I think he forced the decision. This left my character as the survivor and Anora was appointed Queen because of Alistair's death.

 

There is no way to choose an option that represents Alistair dying to kill the Archdemon while also representing that you romanced him and that you were both chosen at the Landsmeet to rule.

 

Why does it matter if you were both chosen to be rulers of Ferelden if you don't actually become rulers?

[Jocster85]

Well I've made some world states and have named them

Nobel Cause: Human Nobel Rouge who saves basically everyone, helps Caradin, saves the keep and city in awakening and goes through the mirror with Morrigan, hawk does the same with the exception of a couple of characters who turn out to be evil mother Petrice for one and romances Isabella
Did the same as a human Mage calling the world Family affair, Nobel dwarf calling that one dwarven hero

Then made one called the Muffin man did it: which was a commoner dwarf who basically was sadistic and killed everyone including companions and alienated everyone an made logain sacrifice himself and exiling alister

[unclee]

There is no way to choose an option that represents Alistair dying to kill the Archdemon while also representing that you romanced him and that you were both chosen at the Landsmeet to rule.

 

As Jedi Master said, that's not in the Keep because it never actually happened. If Alister makes the US, then Anora rules at the end of the game. What Alister says at the Landsmeet amounts to a pinky swear that you'll be made Queen. You're also looking for them to add an option for an ending that wasn't present in DA:O. There isn't any ending where you rule as Queen alone because Alister made the US.

[Wulfram]

The "Did the warden remain as Alistair's mistress" is certainly confusingly designed.

 

Presumably the logic is that you should pick "were not lovers" or "didn't remain alistair's mistress" because you can't be a lover if you're dead, but neither of them are exactly obvious.  And the "remained with the warden and the grey wardens" still works if the Warden is dead.  And none of the choices require that you romanced Alistair, nor do they conflict with saying you romanced Alistair.

[MadamPounce-OLot]

After seeing some of the choices in the Keep I noticed there were a few people/events I never encountered. "Returned Deygan to Dalish Camp" or "Proved Legion of Dead connected to Noble House". Since the Wardens aren't being synced at the moment I decided to just replay my main Warden, a Rogue Fem!Mahariel, and just try to see if I can spot the things I missed before. Hopefully this will be done before Inquisition launches, and I'll try to buy the Warden's Keep and Witch Hunt as well. I've been told they're quite good and I want choices that I actually made instead of just guessing what Mahariel would do.

[Gadzilla]

 I tried to replicate your scenario on my tapestry. This is definitely tricky. The only way I got it to work was to pick no ritual with Morrigan and you and Alistair were not lovers. Try to stick to what the world is like at the end of the game. For example if Alistair was made king, and then he died and Anora took over the throne pick Anora rules under the Landsmeet, since that is the bottom line.

Yeah, I came across a couple of decisions where I wasn't allowed a choice. Don't exactly remember what they were though...

[lduchek]

This is easily resolved. Go to Morrigan's ritual first and make your choice. Then go back and fix the other choices. 

Thanks much.

[lduchek]

This is easily resolved. Go to Morrigan's ritual first and make your choice. Then go back and fix the other choices. 

Worked greatr. Do you know of a similar solution to keeping Connor and Isolde alive?

[auronvigo]

Worked greatr. Do you know of a similar solution to keeping Connor and Isolde alive?

 

I think it's our natural tendency to start at the beginning of the story and work our way towards the end. I'd pick Connor and Isolde are alive first, let the tapestry make changes, and then go backwards in the story. 

[QueenPurpleScrap]

Hi Threeparts, I have a spreadsheet, too. I guess we're both nerds.  

 

I think my naming convention will be based on the first names of my actual Wardens & Hawkes: Dagilen to Merlot, for instance. Then I'll add a brief description (love that feature, btw). Of course that will have to wait until synching is back up so I created my evil/angry world-state, So Much Anger. I know, not imaginative but it will distinguish it from my others. I killed everybody I could, even the dog. I could never do that in an actual playthrough. I did one scenario in which I didn't recruit him when he came running up to me in the beginning (I wanted to try waiting until 'Return to Ostagar') but I felt so guilty and upset with myself I never did it again.  Hawke gave Isabella to the Arishok and Fenris to Danarius, two more things I never did ingame. I'm glad those weren't achievements because I don't think I could have done either.

 

I may actually use that as my first background, certainly my second or third, because I'm curious as to the effect on Leliana and Varric. Speaking of Varric, I long ago decided my first Inquisitor will be a female dwarf rogue, (mostly to make a point about playing dwarves). And then I got to thinking, what romance is most likely to annoy my companions and give rise to good banter? Iron Bull seems most likely. Carta + Qunari seems like a good recipe for irritating my fellow dwarf, at least initially. If I like the game half as much as I expect then I'll do 8 playthroughs just to experience all the romances. I remember when I did that in Origins I was pleasantly surprised by some of the results in the Morrigan romance. FYI, I almost always play female.