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#1176
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Shelidon and I were trying to figure out exactly what you had to do in order to be able to both romance Merrill and have the opportunity to run her through at the end, but I don't appear to have a save file near where the decision had to be made, and the DA Wiki has very little detail:

"Alternatively, the Champion who sided with the Templars may choose to kill Merrill even if she is romanced. Merrill bitterly says before death that she did not expect such actions from Hawke."

 

Anyone else have some insight on this?

Side with templars, don't get her friendship/rivalry to 100%, don't do Questioning Beliefs after doing her last companion quest (with the demon/clan possibly being killed)



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Why would she do that? She is much better of with him then without him. This way, she can at least be sure to have some power. If he died, she could lose it all. 

 

Oh and who would be king then? She wants the throne. She will execute Alistair under certain circumstances if she is made queen, she refuses to reliquish her claim to the throne if Alistair is king, and likes to blab about how she was the power behind the throne with Cailan. We know she is underhanded, sneaky, and a liar. It wouldn't surprise me at all.



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For my world state I titled it "Good, but bittersweet". I chose options that I presume could end very badly with improper actions such as Oghren and Felsi never reunited, the Warden didn't remain Alistair's mistress and then immediately proceeded to romancing Leliana, telling Athras about what had happened to his wife, etcetera. These are choices that seem good or how the story would usually play out, but with a few minor edits so that if the game itself is capable of forcing you into killing Oghren because you made sure him and Felsi left on bad terms or didn't intervene while Corypheus assumed direct control over the grey wardens; then it will happen.

 

In other words it focuses on logical player decisions in its respective game, but also punishes you for failing to consider the consequences as time passes.



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Hey guys, I'm a little rusty on the DA:O universe, what is the difference when asked if Morrigan had the baby in these two answers:

 

Morrigan had an old god baby with the Warden.

 

and

 

Morrigan had a human baby with the Warden.

 

Thanks.



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Hey guys, I'm a little rusty on the DA:O universe, what is the difference when asked if Morrigan had the baby in these two answers:

 

Morrigan had an old god baby with the Warden.

 

and

 

Morrigan had a human baby with the Warden.

 

Thanks.

Morrigan has an old god baby if you did the dark ritual with her near the end of the game to save anyone from being sacrificed while killing the Archdemon. Romance not required.

If you romanced morrigan but didn't do the dark ritual, she'll get pregnant with a normal baby.


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Morrigan has an old god baby if you did the dark ritual with her near the end of the game to save anyone from being sacrificed while killing the Archdemon. Romance not required.

If you romanced morrigan but didn't do the dark ritual, she'll get pregnant with a normal baby.

 

Thank you, man.

I did romance her and had the dark ritual, so it is god baby for me!



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Hey guys, I'm a little rusty on the DA:O universe, what is the difference when asked if Morrigan had the baby in these two answers:

 

Morrigan had an old god baby with the Warden and Morrigan had a human baby with the Warden.

 

 

 

In short: No ritual but banging= regular baby; Ritual and banging= Old God Baby


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Does Dragon Age: Origins let you know you had a "normal" baby with her? Since I did the dark ritual, I obviously know the baby will have the soul of an old god. But this is the first I've heard of "human" babies. lol



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Does Dragon Age: Origins let you know you had a "normal" baby with her? Since I did the dark ritual, I obviously know the baby will have the soul of an old god. But this is the first I've heard of "human" babies. lol

During the epilogue slides if you know you slept with Morrigan but didn't do the dark ritual, the game mentions she's with child.



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I romanced Morrigan and had the old god baby with her. When I select this in the Tapestry the choices want to switch to My Warden being dead as the outcome. That did not happen in the game. Also any decision involving Alistair being alive means my Warden has to die. For instance, Alistair is alive and well in my game, but choosing this means Warden has to be dead. Weird. Everything else seems to be okay except that the hair for my Hawke is wrong. Can't wait for all that to be fixed. I prefer Allistair to be happy and free rather than stuck as king and My Warden running off with his baby mama.



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I romanced Morrigan and had the old god baby with her. When I select this in the Tapestry the choices want to switch to My Warden being dead as the outcome. That did not happen in the game. Also any decision involving Alistair being alive means my Warden has to die. For instance, Alistair is alive and well in my game, but choosing this means Warden has to be dead. Weird. Everything else seems to be okay except that the hair for my Hawke is wrong. Can't wait for all that to be fixed. I prefer Allistair to be happy and free rather than stuck as king and My Warden running off with his baby mama.

Definitely submit that as a bug but I've seen some people with a problem simialr to yours and they ended up deleting the world state and starting over. The ISS may also be causing problems if you played it while making your world state.

 

Oh and the hair, did you use mods?



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Definitely submit that as a bug but I've seen some people with a problem simialr to yours and they ended up deleting the world state and starting over. The ISS may also be causing problems if you played it while making your world state.

 

Oh and the hair, did you use mods?

No, no mods. Just the hair options that were available on console. 



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I guess I'm kind of weird in that I do not have a canon play through, but I have canon play throughs for classes; warrior, mage, rogue.  I always romanced Alistair and kept him in the wardens for my mage and warrior play throughs.  Since my warrior is a city elf, she thought the best way to give Alistair the family he always wanted was to stay in the wardens.  This way she and Alistair could make trips to the alienage to visit her family any time they wanted.  May mage was a bit more practical.  Since Alistair was nearly a Templar, she thought it best to keep him close just in case she ran into a fanatical Templar who would "overlook" that she was a warden and execute her as an apostate.

 

My dwarf commoner had Alistair marry Anora and stayed his mistress.  She saw the wardens kind of as a surface version of the Legion of the Dead and since Alistair was of the "noble caste" he should rule and marry Anora.  She could stay his mistress as that was pretty common in Orzamar.  She also sided with Beheln so her sister would be taken care of.  My dwarf may have left Dust Town, but she was still a duster.  Kind of sad really that she couldn't get past that.

 

The one fun thing I did with my mage play through is have my mage Hawke side with the Templars and become Viscount.  I was highly amused at the irony of the final scene where the Templars knelt before my Amell.

 

Since I'm such a "goody-two-shoes" the rest of my decisions are pretty much the same; saved the mages, saved Redcliff, freed Connor/Anora alive, Ashes pure, killed Flemeth, Alistair did the dark ritual, PC killed the AD, Loghain dead, elf/werewolf peace brokered, etc.  I do have some variations, but I'm not sure whether I'm going to make a world state for them just yet.  I think 300 hours of play time will keep me occupied for awhile.



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So is there anyone who can confirm if the human baby with Morrigan is still possible if you end up with someone else in Origins? The Keep says no, but I'm curious if that is right or not. Last time I asked I got two different answers.



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I wish I had friends to share my world states with.  :(



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So not exactly sure where we're supposed to post suggestions aside from the "submit feedback" tab on the tapestry, but we can't really discuss it if I brought this up over there, so I thought this would be the best place out of what was available (it's sort of a discussion of our world states, or what could have been added to it is more accurate), if it's not I'm sorry :P

 

Anyway after seeing the latest DA:I trailer and how there is a ton of Hawke gameplay featured I was just wondering if custom faces were going to make it through or if the default faces would be used considering it was a new engine and transferring the look of our own Hawkes would be an insane task if at all possible.

 

So a thought, anyone here play Saints Row 4?  And if so remember the Inauguration Station Add-on for the xbox360 (and I'm assuming all other platforms as well)?  I know it's far too late down the production path for Bioware to add this in now, but humor me! lol  What if they had their own character creation add-on like Saints Row did that could then be transferred into our Keep and thus transferred into our own actual games!?!?!? Wouldn't that be awesome!? I mean if they had done this we could have even recustomized our Wardens from Origins and we wouldn't have that whole inability to properly represent the Warden issue I've heard many people talk about and use as the reason we will not see the Warden in DA:I (which is sadly a valid argument, ofc).

 

Again I know it's waaaaaaaay too late to add in something this extensive, not unless Bioware wanted to delay DA:I again, but maybe even longer, just to add in such a trivial thing as Hawke's face, which I wouldn't even want.  But if they had the Warden in the game I believe this would have been an awesome idea, I can dream lol XD



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So not exactly sure where we're supposed to post suggestions aside from the "submit feedback" tab on the tapestry, but we can't really discuss it if I brought this up over there, so I thought this would be the best place out of what was available (it's sort of a discussion of our world states, or what could have been added to it is more accurate), if it's not I'm sorry :P

 

Anyway after seeing the latest DA:I trailer and how there is a ton of Hawke gameplay featured I was just wondering if custom faces were going to make it through or if the default faces would be used considering it was a new engine and transferring the look of our own Hawkes would be an insane task if at all possible.

 

So a thought, anyone here play Saints Row 4?  And if so remember the Inauguration Station Add-on for the xbox360 (and I'm assuming all other platforms as well)?  I know it's far too late down the production path for Bioware to add this in now, but humor me! lol  What if they had their own character creation add-on like Saints Row did that could then be transferred into our Keep and thus transferred into our own actual games!?!?!? Wouldn't that be awesome!? I mean if they had done this we could have even recustomized our Wardens from Origins and we wouldn't have that whole inability to properly represent the Warden issue I've heard many people talk about and use as the reason we will not see the Warden in DA:I (which is sadly a valid argument, ofc).

 

Again I know it's waaaaaaaay too late to add in something this extensive, not unless Bioware wanted to delay DA:I again, but maybe even longer, just to add in such a trivial thing as Hawke's face, which I wouldn't even want.  But if they had the Warden in the game I believe this would have been an awesome idea, I can dream lol XD

 

The devs have said that if our characters were to appear in DAI we could customize their face. This wouldn't be done through the Keep but directly in-game. 



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The devs have said that if our characters were to appear in DAI we could customize their face. This wouldn't be done through the Keep but directly in-game. 

 

Oh, I missed that!  Would be much easier then having to use an entire add-on like SR4 thought would make the transfer process easier for some reason lol

 

But if they said we could do that, then the Warden not being seen physically isn't official?  He/she might still make an appearance?  I've heard Bioware confirmed the Warden not appearing physically, but I heard this from a friend so it could be entirely wrong and he might have misinterpreted something.

 

And that's cool we could use it for Hawke as well, I used the default face without the blood smear anyway, but this new character creation engine just too amazing to not abuse repeatedly! lol



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Oh, I missed that!  Would be much easier then having to use an entire add-on like SR4 thought would make the transfer process easier for some reason lol

 

But if they said we could do that, then the Warden not being seen physically isn't official?  He/she might still make an appearance?  I've heard Bioware confirmed the Warden not appearing physically, but I heard this from a friend so it could be entirely wrong and he might have misinterpreted something.

 

And that's cool we could use it for Hawke as well, I used the default face without the blood smear anyway, but this new character creation engine just too amazing to not abuse repeatedly! lol

 

I think it was David Gaider who confirmed that the Warden would not appear in Inquisition, while Hawke has been seen in several trailers. 



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I think it was David Gaider who confirmed that the Warden would not appear in Inquisition, while Hawke has been seen in several trailers. 

 

Oh, sad days for the Warden then..... he/she was so much cooler then Hawke :,(

 

That being said Hawke is still cool lol  And yeah he was in the latest trailer like 7-8 times or something, looked like a party with Hawke and no Inquisitor in fact, makes me wonder lol



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I think it was David Gaider who confirmed that the Warden would not appear in Inquisition, while Hawke has been seen in several trailers. 

 

I don't like this, though I understand it somewhat from a development perspective. The Warden and their story are so much more important than Hawke. Hawke wasn't important beyond Kirkwall. Anders blows up the Cantry regardless of what Hawke does. Orsino and Meredith both die. Hawke doesn't matter to the rest of the world. We have no idea why Cassandra is looking for him/her. Unless I missed something, of course.

 

Also the Darkspawn, their origin, and the blights are more interesting than mage vs templar. I hope that's part of Inquisition.

 

Is Inquisition supposed to wrap up a Trilogy or will there be more games in the same line?



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I don't like this, though I understand it somewhat from a development perspective. The Warden and their story are so much more important than Hawke. Hawke wasn't important beyond Kirkwall. Anders blows up the Cantry regardless of what Hawke does. Orsino and Meredith both die. Hawke doesn't matter to the rest of the world. We have no idea why Cassandra is looking for him/her. Unless I missed something, of course.

 

Also the Darkspawn, their origin, and the blights are more interesting than mage vs templar. I hope that's part of Inquisition.

 

Is Inquisition supposed to wrap up a Trilogy or will there be more games in the same line?

 

Hawke is easier to bring back in a non-playable capacity, because they are voiced and have set personalities to work from. It would be considerably harder to bring back the Warden because they are a silent protagonist with no discernible personality. Not to mention that the Warden could be dead by the time of Inquisition. 

 

Dragon Age was never supposed to be a trilogy, so I guess the answer is that they'll keep making DA games as long as 1) the games sell 2) they have stories to tell. 



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I don't like this, though I understand it somewhat from a development perspective. The Warden and their story are so much more important than Hawke. Hawke wasn't important beyond Kirkwall. Anders blows up the Cantry regardless of what Hawke does. Orsino and Meredith both die. Hawke doesn't matter to the rest of the world. We have no idea why Cassandra is looking for him/her. Unless I missed something, of course.

 

Also the Darkspawn, their origin, and the blights are more interesting than mage vs templar. I hope that's part of Inquisition.

 

Is Inquisition supposed to wrap up a Trilogy or will there be more games in the same line?

 

Heh, they probably couldn't figure out a way to explain what the Warden has no voice so they kept him/her out.



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Not to mention that the Warden could be dead by the time of Inquisition. 

 

If Morrigan and Leliana are both alive, the Warden could easily live to this time frame. He/She is not an older warden like those who head to the Deep Roads, so his/her taint has not yet mature enough to corrupt him or her.

 

Plus, at the end of Dragon Age 2, the warden is mentioned as 'missing'.

 

However BioWare pulls it off, no one is going to be happy. It's not the wrap up to the warden's tail anyone wants.



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If Morrigan and Leliana are both alive, the Warden could easily live to this time frame. He/She is not an older warden like those who head to the Deep Roads, so his/her taint has not yet mature enough to corrupt him or her.

 

Plus, at the end of Dragon Age 2, the warden is mentioned as 'missing'.

 

However BioWare pulls it off, no one is going to be happy. It's not the wrap up to the warden's tail anyone wants.

 

I'm not talking about the Calling. I'm talking about the Ultimate Sacrifice.