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[Evamitchelle]

Is that 'as well as another race' or only humans? I did play as Dwarfs to do the opening stories but didn't really after that, elfs I did though, they are far more interesting.

 

Bioware did give a stat once about Mass Effect, where they said 2 Thirds of players never played as female Shephard and therefore didn't play the best experience in ME (as female Shep voice acting was so much better, some scenes by male Shep are just dull while female Shep gives it real character).

 

So I found the quotes I was looking for earlier:

 

"According to Bioware telemetry, 80% of players chose Human origins, 15% - Elven origins (with the Elven Mage being the most popular) and 5% - Dwarven origins." I found it on the DA Wiki, but the link is dead. Link. I think it means that 80% of total playthroughs were human, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they only played as human. 

 

"So we have good numbers regarding how many players made female PC’s in Mass Effect and Dragon Age. [...] Still, it’s currently upwards of one-third for Dragon Age, and that’s not an insignificant figure." Link. I know that for Mass Effect it's 18% of people who play as FemShep, so it's about half of DA's percentage.

[DAJB]

"According to Bioware telemetry, 80% of players chose Human origins, 15% - Elven origins (with the Elven Mage being the most popular) and 5% - Dwarven origins." I found it on the DA Wiki, but the link is dead. Link. I think it means that 80% of total playthroughs were human, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they only played as human. 

 

"So we have good numbers regarding how many players made female PC’s in Mass Effect and Dragon Age. [...] Still, it’s currently upwards of one-third for Dragon Age, and that’s not an insignificant figure." Link. I know that for Mass Effect it's 18% of people who play as FemShep, so it's about half of DA's percentage.

Those are fascinating stats. The number of FemShep players strikes me as staggeringly low!

 

I usually play as an elf in DA:O, mainly because I find their two origin stories more interesting than any of the others. I've played all the others at different times (and I really regret playing the dwarf noble origin - now I can never bring myself to put Behlen on the throne, whichever race I play!) but an elf is my go-to default.

 

And I nearly always play a FemShep in ME, simply because I find Jennifer Hale's voice acting so much more nuanced and "real" than the male version. On the few occasions I have played a male Shepard, the voice acting just seems so "generic tough guy" that I've come to consider FemShep to be the default version of Shepard. I'm truly astonished to see the stats skewed so much in male Shep's favour - those guys are just missing so much!

[Wulfram]

So I found the quotes I was looking for earlier:

 

"According to Bioware telemetry, 80% of players chose Human origins, 15% - Elven origins (with the Elven Mage being the most popular) and 5% - Dwarven origins." I found it on the DA Wiki, but the link is dead. Link. I think it means that 80% of total playthroughs were human, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they only played as human. 

 

Here's the thread in question.

 

The numbers are apparently "played this origin at all", but David Gaider does say

 

"And don't take the 80% as gospel, incidentally. That's me making mental subtraction against the other numbers which I do recall-- but, as someone mentioned earlier, they probably wouldn't add up to 100%. So I'm probably wrong on that front. I remember the DA2 telemetry better than DAO telemetry, but DAO is obviously the only benchmark we have when it comes to racial choice."

[Evamitchelle]

Another part of Anders' dialogue if you decide to kill him is "The sooner I die, the sooner my name lives on to inspire generations."

Is this in the friend or rival path ? 

 

Nevermind, found it on youtube. I'd never heard this line before because it doesn't trigger for a friendmanced Hawke, only a friend Hawke, and my only saves just before The Last Straw are of a friendmanced Hawke and a rival Hawke.

[Evamitchelle]

Those are fascinating stats. The number of FemShep players strikes me as staggeringly low!

 

I usually play as an elf in DA:O, mainly because I find their two origin stories more interesting than any of the others. I've played all the others at different times (and I really regret playing the dwarf noble origin - now I can never bring myself to put Behlen on the throne, whichever race I play!) but an elf is my go-to default.

 

And I nearly always play a FemShep in ME, simply because I find Jennifer Hale's voice acting so much more nuanced and "real" than the male version. On the few occasions I have played a male Shepard, the voice acting just seems so "generic tough guy" that I've come to consider FemShep to be the default version of Shepard. I'm truly astonished to see the stats skewed so much in male Shep's favour - those guys are just missing so much!

 

I found those stats really surprising the first time I saw them. I mean I've noticed that the dwarven origins aren't nearly as popular as Cousland or Amell, but 5% is still a ridiculously low number. I've played through all the origins at least once, and I've finished the game with most of them as well and Brosca's actually my second favorite after Tabris. 

 

FemShep's number also seems really low, as I see her more than MShep on the internet. 

[Antergaton]

Those are fascinating stats. The number of FemShep players strikes me as staggeringly low!

 

I usually play as an elf in DA:O, mainly because I find their two origin stories more interesting than any of the others. I've played all the others at different times (and I really regret playing the dwarf noble origin - now I can never bring myself to put Behlen on the throne, whichever race I play!) but an elf is my go-to default.

 

And I nearly always play a FemShep in ME, simply because I find Jennifer Hale's voice acting so much more nuanced and "real" than the male version. On the few occasions I have played a male Shepard, the voice acting just seems so "generic tough guy" that I've come to consider FemShep to be the default version of Shepard. I'm truly astonished to see the stats skewed so much in male Shep's favour - those guys are just missing so much!

 

FemShep is so much better than MaleShep anyday, I recently looked up on youtube the perfect renegade ending of ME3 and sat through the last scene with Anderson and MaleShep sitting there talking. It was painful to listen to because the voice acting was like the MaleShep was reading lines nothing more. Jennifer Hale actually sounded in pain and concern in this scene in contrast.

 

But based on the stats above, I can see the Dwarf options being low, I didn't find their origin stories very good.

 

This said, it's apparently very common for people to choose their 'base model' for a lot of these things, as most gamers are male, they choose human male and that is it. They never explore beyond that.

[Helios969]

Without the precise criteria utilized for those statistics I would take them lightly.  Is it every person who purchased the game and "started" a character?  I've heard most games that are purchased are never completed.  How would those statistics change if it was reduced to people who completed the game?  How would it change if it tracked every character that was created and taken to completion by each person with a multitude of playthroughs?  If you could track "casual" vs "hardcore" Bioware fans, how would those numbers break down?  Statistics are nice, but really tend to only show general trends and tendencies, and usually fail to tell the whole story.

[AshenEndymion]

Without the precise criteria utilized for those statistics I would take them lightly.  Is it every person who purchased the game and "started" a character?  I've heard most games that are purchased are never completed.  How would those statistics change if it was reduced to people who completed the game?  How would it change if it tracked every character that was created and taken to completion by each person with a multitude of playthroughs?  If you could track "casual" vs "hardcore" Bioware fans, how would those numbers break down?  Statistics are nice, but really tend to only show general trends and tendencies, and usually fail to tell the whole story.

 
From what I understand, the criteria is "everyone that created a character while connected to and uploading info to BSN".  If one assumes everyone of the ~4 million purchases played just one character, 5% choosing dwarf would be 200k people playing a dwarf.
 
But there could be people who played dwarf multiple times, or played human multiple times, or elves multiple times(and that's not bringing up people that love to play as a mage, which prevents a dwarf character altogether), all of which would screw with the numbers.
 
I, honestly, think the number regarding dwarven characters is probably accurate on the whole though...
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In my DAO playthrough of my city elf Warden, she hated humans with a passion.  That said, I still recruited Wynne and Lelianna because I wasn't about to pass up the experience associated with their quests...  For the Keep world state involving her, however, experience doesn't matter.
 
For the record, I came up with a reason for Wynne... But it was purely: mage.  She wasn't killed immediately because there were elven mages there when they first met, and they never were friends(and there's no way to quantify that in the Keep), but Wynne was a member of the party, and was tolerated for her usefulness...
 
What I'm curious about is if anyone can come up with a legitimate reason for a human-hating elf to allow Leliana into the party.  I could use "Andrastian", but it feels like a cop-out when, even though she reveres Andraste, my city elf has treated every member of the Chantry with contempt(because they're all human, in her experience).  Leliana would be the first(and only) one she didn't treat with contempt and wish to have nothing to do with, and that seems a tad off to me.

[QueenPurpleScrap]

I've played, to completion + Awakening, every origin and every class available in either game as a female and a few as a male. There was one time in Origins I didn't finish a game I started because the combination of mods I had was just too much and kept crashing the game. I'd already rescued Anora, too, lol. There've been a handful of games i abandoned because I didn't like the way my Warden or Hawke looked and started over.

 

I like the city elf and casteless dwarf origins. I prefer playing mage and rogue, so I've played the Circle origin a lot as well. Now you're going to think I'm shallow, but some of my playthroughs I wanted to use certain hairstyle or clothing mods that weren't available to all races and sometimes only to humans.

 

My favorite romances in DAO are Alistair, then Zevran. I've played Cousland just to get married (including one of my male Couslands).

 

Out of curiosity I checked what was imported into the Keep (by no means all my Wardens): Race: 11 human, 8 elf , 4 dwarf. Gender: 20 female, and 3 male. Origin: 3 Dalish elf, 4 City elf, 2 Dwarf casteless, 2 Dwarf noble, 7 Mage, and 5 Human noble.

[Devil's Avocado]

 

 
What I'm curious about is if anyone can come up with a legitimate reason for a human-hating elf to allow Leliana into the party.  I could use "Andrastian", but it feels like a cop-out when, even though she reveres Andraste, my city elf has treated every member of the Chantry with contempt(because they're all human, in her experience).  Leliana would be the first(and only) one she didn't treat with contempt and wish to have nothing to do with, and that seems a tad off to me.

Well you can initially turn down her offer but as your leaving Lothering she'll jump in and help and try to join again. Maybe it can be a mix between being a Sister and her determination to help? Maybe she can remind your character of someone?

[Antergaton]

In my DAO playthrough of my city elf Warden, she hated humans with a passion. 
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What I'm curious about is if anyone can come up with a legitimate reason for a human-hating elf to allow Leliana into the party.

 

Your character wants a bit of eye-candy/loving?

[Shelidon]

I usually play as an elf in DA:O, mainly because I find their two origin stories more interesting than any of the others. I've played all the others at different times (and I really regret playing the dwarf noble origin - now I can never bring myself to put Behlen on the throne, whichever race I play!) but an elf is my go-to default.

 

I have played all the origins (no, not necessarily following with the entire game: I'm not that mad) and I agree with you: the female city elf, in particular, is definitely my favourite. If I have to sort out a top three, I would say:

1. female city elf;

2. human noble (both equally interesting as male and female);

3. male dwarven noble.

 

I was honestly expecting something more from the Dalish origin, since they chose it to be Bioware Canon... I played that only recently but I must confess I found it a little disappointing (and a tad too short). The mage origin, also, is not bad but I was a little annoyed with the unsubtle way they forced on you the choice of helping Jowan even if you don't want to, just to put you in trouble. The dwarf commoner was very interesting and highly dramatic, but I haven't played it through the entire game, so I wouldn't know if it has some juicy impact on the Orzammar section of the plot. Any insight?

[QueenPurpleScrap]

 
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What I'm curious about is if anyone can come up with a legitimate reason for a human-hating elf to allow Leliana into the party.  I could use "Andrastian", but it feels like a cop-out when, even though she reveres Andraste, my city elf has treated every member of the Chantry with contempt(because they're all human, in her experience).  Leliana would be the first(and only) one she didn't treat with contempt and wish to have nothing to do with, and that seems a tad off to me.

 

At this point your other party members are Dog (maybe), Morrigan - who is arrogant and has had few dealings with society of any kind, and Alistair - somewhat bumbling, self-conscious, awkward, and not very diplomatic. None of them are going to be very useful when it comes to dealing with various leaders. You, as a human-hating elf, may realize that you could possibly use some help or advice in how to deal with other people and that your world experience is actually rather limited. Enter Leliana: well-spoken, seemingly well-intentioned, worldly (can't miss that Orlesian accent), and willing to join you on what you know is going to be a dangerous journey. She's already demonstrated that she can wield a blade. Refuse at first and take her up the second time.

[DAJB]

The dwarf commoner was very interesting and highly dramatic, but I haven't played it through the entire game, so I wouldn't know if it has some juicy impact on the Orzammar section of the plot. Any insight?

It's been a long time since I played the game as a dwarf but, from memory, I think you encounter your old partner again, still imprisoned in the dungeons there. I may be wrong about that (in which case I'm sure someone will correct me!) For most of the game, though, no. No big changes.

[QueenPurpleScrap]

I have played all the origins (no, not necessarily following with the entire game: I'm not that mad) and I agree with you: the female city elf, in particular, is definitely my favourite. If I have to sort out a top three, I would say:

1. female city elf;

2. human noble (both equally interesting as male and female);

3. male dwarven noble.

 

I was honestly expecting something more from the Dalish origin, since they chose it to be Bioware Canon... I played that only recently but I must confess I found it a little disappointing (and a tad too short). The mage origin, also, is not bad but I was a little annoyed with the unsubtle way they forced on you the choice of helping Jowan even if you don't want to, just to put you in trouble. The dwarf commoner was very interesting and highly dramatic, but I haven't played it through the entire game, so I wouldn't know if it has some juicy impact on the Orzammar section of the plot. Any insight?

 

Whether juicy or not is up to you but there are significant differences in Orzammar and not just during the Carta quest.

[Shelidon]

It's been a long time since I played the game as a dwarf but, from memory, I think you encounter your old partner again, still imprisoned in the dungeons there. I may be wrong about that (in which case I'm sure someone will correct me!) For most of the game, though, no. No big changes.

 

So you can't pursue and get satisfaction from the whole "I was casteless and now I get to decide who becomes king" thing?

[Evamitchelle]

I have played all the origins (no, not necessarily following with the entire game: I'm not that mad) and I agree with you: the female city elf, in particular, is definitely my favourite. If I have to sort out a top three, I would say:

1. female city elf;

2. human noble (both equally interesting as male and female);

3. male dwarven noble.

 

I was honestly expecting something more from the Dalish origin, since they chose it to be Bioware Canon... I played that only recently but I must confess I found it a little disappointing (and a tad too short). The mage origin, also, is not bad but I was a little annoyed with the unsubtle way they forced on you the choice of helping Jowan even if you don't want to, just to put you in trouble. The dwarf commoner was very interesting and highly dramatic, but I haven't played it through the entire game, so I wouldn't know if it has some juicy impact on the Orzammar section of the plot. Any insight?

 

I recently played through the entire game with a Brosca, and it actually became my second favorite origin (behind female Tabris). During the Orzammar storyline you get extra dialogue with Rica, Leske and Bhelen, and several mentions to the fact that you're casteless too. I actually thought it was a lot more well-integrated into the Orzammar section than the Aeducan origin, which I actually found rather disappointing. It's just hard for me to believe that the return of the recently dead king's favorite child, even disgraced, doesn't cause a lot more reaction to the dwarves in the middle of a political crisis, but it's perfectly believable in the case of a casteless dwarf. 

[DAJB]

So you can't pursue and get satisfaction from the whole "I was casteless and now I get to decide who becomes king" thing?

Well, it hasn't stuck in my memory, so I don't think so. But, as I say, it's been a long time!  

[Evamitchelle]

It's been a long time since I played the game as a dwarf but, from memory, I think you encounter your old partner again, still imprisoned in the dungeons there. I may be wrong about that (in which case I'm sure someone will correct me!) For most of the game, though, no. No big changes.

 

Nope, when you play as a Dwarf Commoner Leske is not in a cell, but is actually Jarvia's right-hand man (and her bedwarmer), and you are forced to kill him when you storm Jarvia's base. 

[DAJB]

Nope, when you play as a Dwarf Commoner Leske is not in a cell, but is actually Jarvia's right-hand man (and her bedwarmer), and you are forced to kill him when you storm Jarvia's base. 

Damn my imperfect memory!

[Evamitchelle]

So you can't pursue and get satisfaction from the whole "I was casteless and now I get to decide who becomes king" thing?

 

You can a lot of satisfaction from picking Bhelen, since your sister is now an official concubine, lives (with your mother) in the royal palace, and is the mother to the heir of House Aeducan, if not the throne itself. You also get named a living Paragon in the epilogue slides.

 

As far as 'rags to riches' stories go, Brosca's pretty great. 

[AshenEndymion]

I have played all the origins (no, not necessarily following with the entire game: I'm not that mad) and I agree with you: the female city elf, in particular, is definitely my favourite. If I have to sort out a top three, I would say:
1. female city elf;
2. human noble (both equally interesting as male and female);
3. male dwarven noble.
 
I was honestly expecting something more from the Dalish origin, since they chose it to be Bioware Canon... I played that only recently but I must confess I found it a little disappointing (and a tad too short). The mage origin, also, is not bad but I was a little annoyed with the unsubtle way they forced on you the choice of helping Jowan even if you don't want to, just to put you in trouble. The dwarf commoner was very interesting and highly dramatic, but I haven't played it through the entire game, so I wouldn't know if it has some juicy impact on the Orzammar section of the plot. Any insight?

 
I actually enjoyed the Mage origin... It was nice to have a scenario that didn't result in the imminent death of the PC were Duncan not to arrive...  It was also interesting to see the game show that no one is allowed to contest the Right of Conscription.  Not even the subject of it.
 

Well you can initially turn down her offer but as your leaving Lothering she'll jump in and help and try to join again. Maybe it can be a mix between being a Sister and her determination to help? Maybe she can remind your character of someone?

At this point your other party members are Dog (maybe), Morrigan - who is arrogant and has had few dealings with society of any kind, and Alistair - somewhat bumbling, self-conscious, awkward, and not very diplomatic. None of them are going to be very useful when it comes to dealing with various leaders. You, as a human-hating elf, may realize that you could possibly use some help or advice in how to deal with other people and that your world experience is actually rather limited. Enter Leliana: well-spoken, seemingly well-intentioned, worldly (can't miss that Orlesian accent), and willing to join you on what you know is going to be a dangerous journey. She's already demonstrated that she can wield a blade. Refuse at first and take her up the second time.

 
This might work.  I've never refused Leliana at the tavern in the game, so I didn't realize she'd try to get herself into the group a second time...  Leliana would definitely be listened to less than Sten or Zevran(City Elf was going to walk away from Redcliffe even if they didn't suggest the same, but still), but I can probably see Leliana shift her view from "human=deserving death" to "not all humans are scum, but..."

[jdgjordan]

Well I played female Hawke first and then male Hawke and i can say male Hawke voice actor is much better the female Hawke especially in the sarcastic options.

[Devil's Avocado]

Well I played female Hawke first and then male Hawke and i can say male Hawke voice actor is much better the female Hawke especially in the sarcastic options.

They both have their strong points depending on what kind of voice your going for. I found female sarcastic to be more whimsical and light hearted while male was more blunt.

[Shelidon]

Well I played female Hawke first and then male Hawke and i can say male Hawke voice actor is much better the female Hawke especially in the sarcastic options.

 

I really really disagree :-)

I like aggressive male Hawke just as much as I *adore* sarcastic female Hawke, but the other way around always sounded a little unconvincing to me. Maybe it's just because I played the female version first.