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The Lounge: Discuss Your DA World States
#1451
Posté 04 novembre 2014 - 09:47
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#1452
Posté 05 novembre 2014 - 02:10
I had a similar situation but it didn't even require avoiding any jealousy conversations with the two love interests.
I had an Origins play through where I romanced Morrigan and we fell in love and then she refused to sleep with me anymore. When I questioned her about that, the conversation led to her leaving the party, but not ending our romance, which made sense in the context since the dialogue choices were about how it was too hard to for her to be around, not that we didn't have feelings for each other. Later, after Leliana's companion quest was finished, we ended up in a romance. Before the battle of Denerim, Morrigan returned and the dialogue reflected a romantic relationship. We did the ritual, Morrigan disappeared, and she was still no longer in my party for the Battle of Denerim. In Awakening, I got the letter from Leliana and the romance was later reflected in her Dragon Age II dialogue from that import. Yet when I did Witch Hunt, my Warden still had romance dialogue with Morrigan and he entered the Eluvian with her.
I don't mind that the Keep can't recreate this scenario because I wasn't planning to use that world state moving forward anyway, but if I had been it'd be annoying that the Keep forced me to choose between keeping the Warden's fate or the Leliana romance since the overall outcome was kind of cool.
That Morrigan, she's a special case all around isn't she? LOL. I remember now, I did something similar in one of my playthroughs. I suppose that, technically speaking, at the end of Origins your romance with Leliana was the active one, even though you and Morrigan still had feelings for each other. (I also played once where the romances overlapped and hilarious jealousy banter ensued between the two ladies).
BTW, when you say Morrigan wasn't in your party for the Battle of Denerim, does that mean she wasn't even an option? If you did the DR she's supposed to hang around long enough for the old god's soul to find her. Or am i missing something?
- Sweetwater aime ceci
#1453
Posté 05 novembre 2014 - 07:07
That Morrigan, she's a special case all around isn't she? LOL. I remember now, I did something similar in one of my playthroughs. I suppose that, technically speaking, at the end of Origins your romance with Leliana was the active one, even though you and Morrigan still had feelings for each other. (I also played once where the romances overlapped and hilarious jealousy banter ensued between the two ladies).
BTW, when you say Morrigan wasn't in your party for the Battle of Denerim, does that mean she wasn't even an option? If you did the DR she's supposed to hang around long enough for the old god's soul to find her. Or am i missing something?
Hah, Morrigan is all sorts of problems. And definitely, Leliana was clearly the active romance as far as Awakening and DA:II were concerned, but I was still able to get (what I believe) is the Morrigan-romance only option in Witch Hunt, which was to go through the Eluvian with her. And there wasn't even any real romance overlap in the game itself, as Morrigan was gone from the party before I even started the romance with Leliana.
And yeah, Morrigan wasn't even a party option for me post-ritual. She left the party prior to the Landmseet when my Warden said it was too hard to have her around -- I forget the exact dialogue but it was when I questioned her about her refusal to come to my tent and how it was too hard to have her around. Then she came back to offer me the ritual, but talked as if we were still in a relationship, and after I accepted it, she was still gone from my party. As for how she got the old god's soul in that scenario, maybe she was still hanging around in the shadows? There must be some reasonable explanation such as that that, since she always comes back to offer the ritual, whether she left for romance or non-romance related reasons. She's tricky, that Morrigan is!
#1454
Posté 05 novembre 2014 - 09:36
Well, I for one hope they do not suddenly decide that romancing Leliana and being Alistair's mistress is a "bug in the Keep" because that is very much what my mage Rose Amell did in game, and no I do not use any mods that affect Leliana and Alistair romances, the only mods I use are purely cosmetic ones and the Morrigan Restoration Pack dialogue tweaks that fixes the bugs with Morrigan. Has nothing whatsoever to do with Leliana or Alistair.
#1455
Posté 06 novembre 2014 - 12:47
Hey, uh, has anybody else been unable to access the new official Keep topics? I've been getting notifications about them, but it says I don't have permission to access them when I go to look. I've been in the beta since before it went public.
#1456
Posté 06 novembre 2014 - 03:36
Hey, uh, has anybody else been unable to access the new official Keep topics? I've been getting notifications about them, but it says I don't have permission to access them when I go to look. I've been in the beta since before it went public.
Sounds like an issue to contact the devs or whoever controls the forum with.
#1457
Posté 06 novembre 2014 - 03:38
Sounds like an issue to contact the devs or whoever controls the forum with.
So there have been topics like an 'upcoming psa' titled one that others are able to view? :/
#1458
Posté 06 novembre 2014 - 03:40
So there have been topics like an 'upcoming psa' titled one that others are able to view? :/
O.o....maybe you can see something no one else can. Cause I don't see anything like that.
#1459
Posté 06 novembre 2014 - 04:05
The whole Fenris thing is so confusing to me. I was going to go with my 'canon' and have him be the romance for mage FemHawke in DA2, but I kinda want to have him alive and well but still pursued... and I want to have never recruited Isabela or given her to the Arishok just on the off chance that my Inquisitor will meet him and I'll be able to romance him in what I expect to be a far more impressive game than DA2!
I don't even dislike poor Isabela at all (except when she tries to hit on him). Fenris, you tempting tidbit of a creature.
I'm sure I'm dreaming, because that would take a lot of resources, but the fact that this stuff shows up in the Keep at all makes me wonder just how far they decided to go with bringing old characters back. I'm wondering if Aveline would fancy an Inquisitor, for instance.
- LadyLaLa aime ceci
#1460
Posté 06 novembre 2014 - 04:09
O.o....maybe you can see something no one else can. Cause I don't see anything like that.
Oh...maybe they are making some upcoming topics and are hiding them after and that's why I'm getting the notifications o.O. Weird.
#1461
Posté 06 novembre 2014 - 08:32
Hey, uh, has anybody else been unable to access the new official Keep topics? I've been getting notifications about them, but it says I don't have permission to access them when I go to look. I've been in the beta since before it went public.
See ... that's what happens when you misbehave! ![]()
#1462
Posté 06 novembre 2014 - 09:15
See ... that's what happens when you misbehave!
D: But I didn't! And it only started happening after the beta went public!
#1463
Posté 10 novembre 2014 - 01:57
I got a question.
I thought the only way to save both Connor and his mother was to go to the mage Circle first and side with the mages?
The Keep allows me to save both AND side with the templars. Is that an oversight?
#1464
Posté 13 novembre 2014 - 01:00
How many World States do you guys have? I have 5. My default, a everyone is dead one, one completely random, a near perfect and one basically default but Anders and Zevran are dead (don't like them, if I could kill some other characters I would).
#1465
Posté 13 novembre 2014 - 01:20
I got a question.
I thought the only way to save both Connor and his mother was to go to the mage Circle first and side with the mages?
The Keep allows me to save both AND side with the templars. Is that an oversight?
That sounds like an oversight or bug.
I just checked, and in the Keep it seems to be tied with Irving's survival(not siding with the Templars). Which sort of makes sense as you only needed to talk to Irving to get the mages to go to Redcliffe, in the game... But, in the game, if you have the support of the Templars, you can't save both Isolde and Connor. I recommend submitting feedback on it.
#1466
Posté 13 novembre 2014 - 08:17
How many World States do you guys have? I have 5. My default, a everyone is dead one, one completely random, a near perfect and one basically default but Anders and Zevran are dead (don't like them, if I could kill some other characters I would).
I beat Awakenings nine times and reconstructed each Warden's decisions as best I could.
My mostly non-metagamed first playthrough, a playthrough where I did my level best to screw the entire world, a playthrough where I tried to make the world suck less, a pragmatic but not completely amoral Dwarf Noble, a Dalish Templar/Berserker who to a large extent has turned his back on his heritage, a City Elf who decidedly has not, a benevolent King Cousland who mostly acts like a paladin and whose build basically makes him a blackguard, my extra-slutty Amell (who was my first female character), and my xenophobic Mahariel who makes an exception for human women.
#1467
Posté 14 novembre 2014 - 04:34
Alright, I was playing with the keep making a good guy Warden and after trying to decide what to tell Ruck and Danyla's loved ones about their fate, it frustrated me how hypocritical my choices were, even if it was all for "good reasons."
Why am I always inclined to tell Danyla's husband the truth about her turning into a Werewolf with the decision backed up by the "Lying won't bring her back." argument, but then seem to hesitate a lot about telling Ruck's mother the truth about him turning to a ghoul out of sympathy? I would love to consider different perspectives of how people approach these two decisions ^^
#1468
Posté 14 novembre 2014 - 06:04
Why am I always inclined to tell Danyla's husband the truth about her turning into a Werewolf with the decision backed up by the "Lying won't bring her back." argument, but then seem to hesitate a lot about telling Ruck's mother the truth about him turning to a ghoul out of sympathy? I would love to consider different perspectives of how people approach these two decisions ^^
Athras wasn't in denial. Filda had made denial her permanent residence. I didn't tell her the truth about Ruck because there was no reason to upset that balance. Athras knew the truth...I was just confirming it. That's how I justified my "good girl" playthrough. ![]()
- AbsolutGrndZer0 aime ceci
#1469
Posté 15 novembre 2014 - 02:07
Question about the 'Saved Amaranthine and Vigil's Keep' option. I remember in Awakenings choosing to save the Keep which got me the epilogue slide saying the Keep was destroyed/damaged but they were able to rebuild. If you fully upgraded the Keep does that count as saving both?
#1470
Posté 15 novembre 2014 - 02:34
Question about the 'Saved Amaranthine and Vigil's Keep' option. I remember in Awakenings choosing to save the Keep which got me the epilogue slide saying the Keep was destroyed/damaged but they were able to rebuild. If you fully upgraded the Keep does that count as saving both?
If you chose the Keep, then there is no way to save the city.
#1471
Posté 15 novembre 2014 - 03:05
Did they remove the "Hawke was Friends/Enemies with Cullen" choice, or am I just not seeing it?
#1472
Posté 15 novembre 2014 - 03:18
If you chose the Keep, then there is no way to save the city.
If you chose Amaranthine and upgraded Vigil's Keep prior to that does that equal 'Saved Both' in the Tapestry?
#1473
Posté 15 novembre 2014 - 03:20
Did they remove the "Hawke was Friends/Enemies with Cullen" choice, or am I just not seeing it?
Yes. They removed that tile.
If you chose Amaranthine and upgraded Vigil's Keep prior to that does that equal 'Saved Both' in the Tapestry?
Yes. Choosing to save Amaranthine with a fully upgraded Keep is the equivalent of "save both" in the Tapestry.
#1474
Posté 15 novembre 2014 - 12:28
Hi there,
In the Keep I actually tried to do recreate the story I "truly" experience with DA: Origins and DAII as I remember it (so there of course might be some impossibilities). I think I will just highlight the most important parts:
- in both games I was playin human male mage
DAO:
- romance and child with Morrigan, so Warded killed Archdemon and survived final battle
- Alister became king
- All companions stayed in the team
- in final battle Warden had support or Dwarvs (Behlen), Dalish (cured werewolves), Mages for the Circle
- most of the time when killing somobody was an option my character did it
*In the mission with The Urn of the Sacred Ashes one time I had Leliana in team and I poisened the Urn, so she turned against me and I had to kill her (of course I didn't want to loose any of my companions so I reload, and switched my party member so Leliana wasn't in team in this mission. I again poisend the Urn, but because she wasnt in my team I didn't had to kill her - and I think she did not leave my team also). But I am wondering, I think Leliana is one of Inqusitioner advisors right? So what if she dies by the hand of Warden in DAO? Will she still be in DA Inqusition??
As for the story in DAII:
- romance with Isabell, and of course did not give her away to Qunari
- Bethany dies, Carver goes to the templars
- picked mages sight of course
- kill Qunari's leader
#1475
Posté 15 novembre 2014 - 04:33
Alright, I was playing with the keep making a good guy Warden and after trying to decide what to tell Ruck and Danyla's loved ones about their fate, it frustrated me how hypocritical my choices were, even if it was all for "good reasons."
Why am I always inclined to tell Danyla's husband the truth about her turning into a Werewolf with the decision backed up by the "Lying won't bring her back." argument, but then seem to hesitate a lot about telling Ruck's mother the truth about him turning to a ghoul out of sympathy? I would love to consider different perspectives of how people approach these two decisions ^^
Telling Athras what happened to Danyla means telling him that something terrible happened to her, which is sad, but allows him to move on and doesn't reflect badly on her in his memory. Telling Filda about Ruck means telling her that her son was really a criminal who later became an insane corpse-eating ghoul, which would destroy her. Telling her the truth does her no good, whereas lying lets her have some resolution but still look back fondly on her child's life.
- Shelidon aime ceci





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