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Hi there,

 

In the Keep I actually tried to do recreate the story I "truly" experience with DA: Origins and DAII as I remember it (so there of course might be some impossibilities). I think I will just highlight the most important parts:

- in both games I was playin human male mage

DAO:

- romance and child with Morrigan, so Warded killed Archdemon and survived final battle

- Alister became king

- All companions stayed in the team

- in final battle Warden had support or Dwarvs (Behlen), Dalish (cured werewolves), Mages for the Circle

- most of the time when killing somobody was an option my character did it

 

*In the mission with The Urn of the Sacred Ashes one time I had Leliana in team and I poisened the Urn, so she turned against me and I had to kill her (of course I didn't want to loose any of my companions so I reload, and switched my party member so Leliana wasn't in team in this mission. I again poisend the Urn, but because she wasnt in my team I didn't had to kill her - and I think she did not leave my team also). But I am wondering, I think Leliana is one of Inqusitioner advisors right? So what if she dies by the hand of Warden in DAO? Will she still be in DA Inqusition??

 

As for the story in DAII:

- romance with Isabell, and of course did not give her away to Qunari

- Bethany dies, Carver goes to the templars

- picked mages sight of course

- kill Qunari's leader

 

Out of curiosity, does that include killing the Ostagar prisoner? That one surprised me the most with how it played out in that game.

 

And yes, they used writer's magic to have Leliana in Inquisition even if you killed her in Origins. As the Keep puts it, she was only "left for dead".



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So I have a question: How can we ensure that Alistair is hardened?

It is clear that he's hardened if femWarden had a romance with him and remained his mistress, but what if they don't remain in a relationship afterwards and Alistair is still hardened? In the end of Origins there was a difference between his ways of ruling the country. Does this choice even matter? I was hoping it reflected somehow in the game and the choice was kinda important.

Or do I have to keep my Warden a mistress so Alistair would be cool?



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So I have a question: How can we ensure that Alistair is hardened?

It is clear that he's hardened if femWarden had a romance with him and remained his mistress, but what if they don't remain in a relationship afterwards and Alistair is still hardened? In the end of Origins there was a difference between his ways of ruling the country. Does this choice even matter? I was hoping it reflected somehow in the game and the choice was kinda important.

Or do I have to keep my Warden a mistress so Alistair would be cool?

There isn't a specific way to pick 'hardened alistair even if selecting choices that only would be possible for a hardened alistair. This includes king alistair + anora and warden loghain.

One of the devs mentioned that simply helping alistair find goldanna is implied to be the hardened choice since you need to do that quest to trigger the conversation even if you can keep alistair unhardened.

Either way, alistair's personality likely would have changed over time whether the warden did anything or not. Hardening probably doesn't matter at this point.



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There isn't a specific way to pick 'hardened alistair even if selecting choices that only would be possible for a hardened alistair. This includes king alistair + anora and warden loghain.

One of the devs mentioned that simply helping alistair find goldanna is implied to be the hardened choice since you need to do that quest to trigger the conversation even if you can keep alistair unhardened.

Either way, alistair's personality likely would have changed over time whether the warden did anything or not. Hardening probably doesn't matter at this point.

At some point it's a pity but whatever happens will be good for me, I guess. Thx a lot!



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And yes, they used writer's magic to have Leliana in Inquisition even if you killed her in Origins. As the Keep puts it, she was only "left for dead".

I've seen a few people quote this. It's only half true. The question in the Tapestry is worded "left for dead", as you say. However, the text beneath the tile showing her dead very clearly says "Killed". 

 

Unless this is a mistake, I'd think this is something that will only be explained properly in-game.



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Is there actually a way to save both the Keep and Amarantine in Awakening?



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Is there actually a way to save both the Keep and Amarantine in Awakening?

Fully upgrade the Keep and choose to save the city and the epilogue states that the Keep barely managed to hold (i.e., some people who were there survived). That is what saving both of them refers to.


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Oh, Okay.



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If you chose Amaranthine and upgraded Vigil's Keep prior to that does that equal 'Saved Both' in the Tapestry?

 

Yes, though it ended up bugging out many times in the save file, it was intended to be possible to save both.  So yes, if you fully upgraded your Keep then stayed in Amaranthine to save it, then "saved both" is the choice you want.



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I've seen a few people quote this. It's only half true. The question in the Tapestry is worded "left for dead", as you say. However, the text beneath the tile showing her dead very clearly says "Killed". 

 

Unless this is a mistake, I'd think this is something that will only be explained properly in-game.

 

It already was explained in DA2 (Exiled Prince DLC)... See this video.   She says "The Maker knew it was not my time."   So, left for dead and she survived, or totally dead and she's Lazarus, she at least claims she believes that the Maker resurrected her.


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Hmmm. I'm not sure I would call that an explanation!   :D

Oh well, we shall see!



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It already was explained in DA2 (Exiled Prince DLC)... See this video.   She says "The Maker knew it was not my time."   So, left for dead and she survived, or totally dead and she's Lazarus, she at least claims she believes that the Maker resurrected her.

 

I never saw this and nobody has ever referenced this in all of my discussions about this issue. While it still bothers me a little as it was decided after Origins and I can see people who killed her being bothered by her return, at least they did put in the work of acknowledging it and giving it at least a mysterious justification. I feel a lot better about her return. Thanks!



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Hmmm. I'm not sure I would call that an explanation!   :D

Oh well, we shall see!

 

It's not a complete explanation, but it's worlds better than nothing. They put in the work to tell you SOMETHING happened. While it was still a decision that came about after Origins, rather than an original plan all along, it's no longer just the "well you don't know she was dead" BS I saw in a tweet or post somewhere.


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I never saw this and nobody has ever referenced this in all of my discussions about this issue. While it still bothers me a little as it was decided after Origins and I can see people who killed her being bothered by her return, at least they did put in the work of acknowledging it and giving it at least a mysterious justification. I feel a lot better about her return. Thanks!

 

Yeah, a lot of people didn't see it especially because before patch... I want to say 1.03... the way DA2 interpreted saves was fubar.  They finally fixed it, but odds are you didn't play that scene in a situation where Leliana was dead and the save was being read properly.  The person who made that video used developer console cheats to jump to the ability to make that video, which you can see in that both Carver and Bethany are present in the scene.  I myself remember it from my actual game, but that's only because it wasn't until my 3rd or so Hawke (and post patch 1.03) that I used a save in which she was dead.

 

Another thing to keep in mind... Name all the Dragon Age Origins Companions that got their own standalone DLC (Witch Hunt doesn't count, cause it's a continuation of the main story).  That alone is evidence to me that they didn't just say "Oh damn... okay we need to come up with a way to bring back Leliana... screw the players that killed her" when DA2 came along, but that it was at least considered from the beginning that Leliana was truly blessed by the Maker as she believes she is.


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Yeah, a lot of people didn't see it especially because before patch... I want to say 1.03... the way DA2 interpreted saves was fubar.  They finally fixed it, but odds are you didn't play that scene in a situation where Leliana was dead and the save was being read properly.  The person who made that video used developer console cheats to jump to the ability to make that video, which you can see in that both Carver and Bethany are present in the scene.  I myself remember it from my actual game, but that's only because it wasn't until my 3rd or so Hawke (and post patch 1.03) that I used a save in which she was dead.

 

Another thing to keep in mind... Name all the Dragon Age Origins Companions that got their own standalone DLC (Witch Hunt doesn't count, cause it's a continuation of the main story).  That alone is evidence to me that they didn't just say "Oh damn... okay we need to come up with a way to bring back Leliana... screw the players that killed her" when DA2 came along, but that it was at least considered from the beginning that Leliana was truly blessed by the Maker as she believes she is.

 

Ha, I didn't see the siblings because I didn't really pay attention but that's disappointing that they didn't bother making sure such an important scene worked properly.

 

As to the other part about Leliana, Witch Hunt being a continuation of the main story is exactly evidence of Morrigan's future importance. However, both are DLC created after the main game. So even IF you're right that Leliana's song implies anything, it was still done after Origins. While he may just be trying to get under her skin, The Guardian of the Urn of Sacred Ashes says Leliana is making up her vision.

 

Secondly, what evidence is there from Leliana's song that her vision was legitimate and she is blessed by the Maker? I just saw it as interesting backstory considering how different her old life was from who she becomes.

 

Anyway, bringing back a dead character is fine if it's handled properly. Since Leliana was there for just a bit part in DA:2, I think it's fine to feed us just that little bit as long as they are more detailed when she is more prominent, such as in Inquisition.



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While waiting for the game I decided to create a journal for my Inquisitor, the first one anyway. I already know the first world state will be my [not actually played] death-filled one with some nastier choices. I don't know if I'll keep it up but here's what I have:

 

'I had dreams once. Dreams where I was somebody important, someone who mattered, maybe even someone who was loved. I'm worth less than a broken pen. {QPS's note, my pen ran out of ink} Important? No, I'm less than the bug snot under your foot. I'm a surface dwarf - which in Orzammar means I'm not a dwarf at all. I don't even exist; I'm as good as casteless. Or maybe less than that . . . I hear King Bhelen is changing things. It'll take more than one ruthless crusader to change the attitudes of centuries. 'We dwarves love our traditons' is their motto. Or should be.

 

I was born in Orzammar but we left - escaped - to the surface before I could be branded. That's what they do to casteless, the only trash they ever mark. Gotta make sure the good folks in Orzammar know they're not dealing w/ a person. I think that's how the mages feel, as if they're not seen as people. Mages are dangerous, but so are a lot of things. Me, for instance. i've been part of the Carta my whole life.

 

Did I tell you I used to have dreams? I think I was 9 or 10 when the Blight started in Ferelden. [Casteless don't have birthdays, those are what people have.] A Dalish elf and some doofus were the last two Grey Wardens, thanks to Loghain's actions at Ostagar. *snort* And they think mages are dangerous. Anyway, the two of them built up an army to fight Loghain and the Blight. [Being casteless doesn't mean I'm I'm ignorant. The tales of Maric and Loghain are all over, and under, Thedas]. She was either ruthless or pragmatic, depending on who you talk to. BTW, why do the elves moan so about their fate and lost heritage? If it's gone, it's gone. Move forward. At least they're seen. Sure, they're not treated as equals. The world's not fair. Get over it. Try to make it better, if you think you can. But I remember thinking, if she can build and army and become a hero then maybe I can be something different.

 

Varric Tethras is here, nug-humpers! He knows me, or at least might recognize me. I didn't have any dealings with him directly but I was brought along to Kirkwall to watch and learn a few times. He's more observant than most people realize ahd he has no love for the Carta. I hope this doesn't mean the so-called Champion of Kirkwall is here. Aren't Champions supposed to be good? They do say Free Marchers are different. She certainly is, a real nasty sort. Who turns their friend over to slavers? If she was a dwarf she could easily be head of the Carta. Come to think of it, why isn't she head of the Coterie? Right, right, I remember now, she became Viscount after Kirkwall exploded and started this whole war between mages and templars.

 

Which is why I'm here in this butt pimple of a town. The war has messed up some of our business and the head of our 'family' sent me to observe. I'm good at keeping in the background, blending in. There are no virgins in the Carta so if you want to avoid situations you better be really strong or learn how to escape detection. The young members are meat for the senior ones who have proved themselves. I've been luckier than some. i was a late bloomer, so I had some skills by the time any took notice. The Cadash family has a strict rule, you don't touch anyone who's not reached double digits yet. I've always looked younger than I am. Anyway, we need to know how this peace conference is going to go down and adjust our business accordingly. This means a lot of money, one way or another.

 

Maybe, just maybe, I can find a way out for myself. I don't really want to be a thug forever. Some have a good living, I suppose, but I want more. i guess the dreams didn't go away after all. With all the chaos . . . there might be opportunities. I really shouldn't be writing a journal but I don't have much else to do at the moment. I'll destroy it later, even though I doubt any of my fellows can decipher it. It's my own personal code. But I've learned never to underestimate my fellow Carta caste-offs.'

 

Anyway, that's the back story for my lovely (and she will be) dwarven rogue. If I maintain the journal as I play, I'll add some screenshots (I'm on PC). Mainly I wanted to really define my character so that I can make decisions which I think are consistent with her personality and background. I plan on going a little out of my normal box this time.



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We need a Master Wade section for the Tapestry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vigilance, The Golem Shell Amour, the Heartwood Bow/Shield, the Dragon Bone Armour, the Superior Drake Skin Armour, and the Silver Order of Amaranthine!!!!!!!!

These are all things worthy mention and aquistion in the Inquisition, especially recruitment of Master Wade himself!!!!!!!!!

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While waiting for the game I decided to create a journal for my Inquisitor, the first one anyway. I already know the first world state will be my [not actually played] death-filled one with some nastier choices. I don't know if I'll keep it up but here's what I have:

Anyway, that's the back story for my lovely (and she will be) dwarven rogue. If I maintain the journal as I play, I'll add some screenshots (I'm on PC). Mainly I wanted to really define my character so that I can make decisions which I think are consistent with her personality and background. I plan on going a little out of my normal box this time.

 

I like your writing style but your dwarf sure whines a lot. Most surface dwarves seem to build their own lives but yours can't get past the fact that she's casteless. As far as character building goes, I like the veiled racism with telling Elves to move on despite sympathy for mages and inability to drop her own baggage. Out of curiosity, why is she connected to the Carta? Was that the condition of her family leaving Orzammar?



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We need a Master Wade section for the Tapestry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vigilance, The Golem Shell Amour, the Heartwood Bow/Shield, the Dragon Bone Armour, the Superior Drake Skin Armour, and the Silver Order of Amaranthine!!!!!!!!

These are all things worthy mention and aquistion in the Inquisition, especially recruitment of Master Wade himself!!!!!!!!!

 

You made a separate thread for this and only Vigilance and the Silver Order had epilogue significance. The other items were just items for Awakening. Besides, they'd get the tiles, not Wade himself.



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I like your writing style but your dwarf sure whines a lot. Most surface dwarves seem to build their own lives but yours can't get past the fact that she's casteless. As far as character building goes, I like the veiled racism with telling Elves to move on despite sympathy for mages and inability to drop her own baggage. Out of curiosity, why is she connected to the Carta? Was that the condition of her family leaving Orzammar?

 

Thank you. I just kind of put it together this morning. I wanted to explain why she's bitter and yet still has some dreams. I can see why you think she's whiny. Mostly I was going for context and her perspective in light of the world state I will be using. She sees herself being locked in. Like I said, I plan on playing a little differently than I normally do and this will, maybe, help me keep in character. I am kind of envisioning a previous Varric crush, though I haven't decided on that either.

 

Hmm, I guess I always figured the casteless were all connected to the Carta, no matter how loosely. Most of them can't be noble hunters, and I figure the Carta keeps tabs on everyone in Dust Town for their own protection. I don't know if she knows why they left, since she was very young. I always figured the branding was before they were walking.



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Thank you. I just kind of put it together this morning. I wanted to explain why she's bitter and yet still has some dreams. I can see why you think she's whiny. Mostly I was going for context and her perspective in light of the world state I will be using. She sees herself being locked in. Like I said, I plan on playing a little differently than I normally do and this will, maybe, help me keep in character. I am kind of envisioning a previous Varric crush, though I haven't decided on that either.

 

Hmm, I guess I always figured the casteless were all connected to the Carta, no matter how loosely. Most of them can't be noble hunters, and I figure the Carta keeps tabs on everyone in Dust Town for their own protection. I don't know if she knows why they left, since she was very young. I always figured the branding was before they were walking.

 

Many casteless are involved with the Carta, but most of them are in Dust Town. Since your dwarf's family had left Orzammar, I was wondering why they held that old connection.



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Many casteless are involved with the Carta, but most of them are in Dust Town. Since your dwarf's family had left Orzammar, I was wondering why they held that old connection.

Well, there were a lot of Carta dwarves in Kirkwall. I haven't gone too deep into her background and family history because I don't know whether I'll find out anything in game. Previous acquaintances, etc. I don't want to mess with my immersion. I inferred from the DAI site, perhaps incorrectly, that she wasn't born on the surface. Anyway, for now it's enough. Maybe one day I'll turn it into a fanfic, but I have to finish the current one and maybe another one first  :).



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I have the game and though I have not been able to start because of bugs, I'm trying to finalize my first World State. Several tiles are giving me trouble however. 

 

For DA:O, the journal has no mention of Bella's fate and does not mention the sword in the entry about Bevin. Any other way to refresh the memory? 

 

For DA2, I don't remember what Hawke said to Ghyslain in Act. I don't remember whether Hawke let Javaris live. The journal is no help in this case. Same question here.

 

I am also confused about Merrill's Eluvian tile - is the choice of not smashing the mirror the one where Merrill still gives up on it and moves on? 

 

Any help would be appreciated. 



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I am also confused about Merrill's Eluvian tile - is the choice of not smashing the mirror the one where Merrill still gives up on it and moves on?

Any help would be appreciated.

Eluvian choice boils down to this:
Completed Merrill rival path- Eluvian destroyed
Any other possibly- Eluvian not destroyed
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I have the game and though I have not been able to start because of bugs, I'm trying to finalize my first World State. Several tiles are giving me trouble however. 

 

For DA:O, the journal has no mention of Bella's fate and does not mention the sword in the entry about Bevin. Any other way to refresh the memory? 

 

For DA2, I don't remember what Hawke said to Ghyslain in Act. I don't remember whether Hawke let Javaris live. The journal is no help in this case. Same question here.

 

I am also confused about Merrill's Eluvian tile - is the choice of not smashing the mirror the one where Merrill still gives up on it and moves on? 

 

Any help would be appreciated. 

 

I can't remember who made it but there is a new mod on dragonagenexus.com called DASaveReader. It will read the answers for you from a save, the later the better. The author is working on the DLC.

Since it sounds like you have your DAO saves you can go to the last save, post campaign I think it's called, and replay the epilogue slides. If you returned the sword or gave them money it'll say. About Bella, you'll find out if you gave her money to leave or if she took over the tavern. I think the only way she doesn't survive is if you don't help Redcliffe. I don't know if you're as obsessive with your saves as I am but if so you could also load up an eariler save and review your conversations. 

 

Re Ghyslain, I just made the choice based on what I thought likely for that Hawke. I don't think a diplomatic Hawke would give him the gruesome details whether s/he liked the little man or not. Otherwise it depends on how much my Hawke detested him. 

Javaris . . . I always figured an aggressive warrior might be the most likely to kill him. Again, if you don't remember just make an educated guess.

 

I don't know about the Eluvian. Check the dragon age wiki or http://thedialoguewheel.wordpress.com/for more information.


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