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#176
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For DA2, in making the ultimate loner idiot, I opted to not recruit Fenris from the beginning.  When I select that Aveline and Hawke had disagreements, it's saying I must have recruited Fenris.  I've never done this in game (the joys of DAK, can do things I would never do!), so it's not possible for Aveline to disagree with Hawke in the final battles if you don't have Fenris?  

 

I get that they are both warriors, but if my Hawke is a Warrior, I don't need either of them.  If I can head to the Archdemon with only Alistair, I should be able to head to the final battle in DA2 with just Varric, no?

 

My Warden/Hawke combo are lonely lonely souls lol.


 

IIRC, the game tries to give you a minimum number of allies going into the final fight, which might be why you can't drive Aveline off if you don't have Fenris



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FenZev1

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I did realize that, I just didn't mention because we can't have multiple romances, if they ever do add

a choice for multiple romances like "The warden's dalliance with morrigan ended since he fell for the

red-headed bard, Leliana" Then it would work like I said, but if they don't.... then yeah they need to add a an option

for a non-old god baby. Then they can also assume that the warden romanced morrigan at one point, even if we

choose someone else in the romance tile.

 

I think a multiple romance tile would be better though imo.

 

Multiple romance tiles would be good; though some probably never did it, I know a lot of people who romanced someone after Alistair decides you aren't Queen material...rude bastard lol.


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#178
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Multiple romance tiles would be good; though some probably never did it, I know a lot of people who romanced someone after Alistair decides you aren't Queen material...rude bastard lol.

I know you can romance multiple in DA2. I had a couple characters sleep with Isabela and then end up with a different person romance wise in the end. I didn't notice these as options in the tapestry as I went through though I didn't do this with my first DA2 character and I was kind of flowing through with that person for trial and error sake. 



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I don't think it's a huge deal that a polyamorous play through hasn't been added, even in Origins if you had a high level of approval the game would get confused with whether you romanced Leliana or Morrigan. Even though I had broken things off with Leliana. So I think this might just be something that confuses the world state too much, unless they get a casual sex tile, or at least the Isabella foursome as an option.


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#180
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I don't think it's a huge deal that a polyamorous play through hasn't been added, even in Origins if you had a high level of approval the game would get confused with whether you romanced Leliana or Morrigan. Even though I had broken things off with Leliana. So I think this might just be something that confuses the world state too much, unless they get a casual sex tile, or at least the Isabella foursome as an option.

Isabella foursome! And Zevran threesome (can you have a foursome? I need to Wiki that.) I should submit that the the plot suggestions, I can't believe I haven't thought of that. Thanks!


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#181
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In case anyone was wondering (about my suggestion or my love life ;D) I just submitted a plot request for both the foursome/threesomes. I also included that even though you weren't actually supposed to be able to have sex with Zevran if he had been romanced by the Warden, this never actually was true in game, and I think it should stay not true in the Keep. I'm polyamorous, and I headcanon Zevran and Isabela as such as well (it's not much of a stretch!). I know my Warden would have given his permission for Zevran to do whomever he wanted, and would have asked Zevran when he heard this story why he didn't bring the two of them (Hawke and Isabela) home. My headcanons aside, it more accurately reflects what actually happened in game.

 

In response to Zombitologist, even though the game originally got confused if you romanced two people, I think the beauty of the Keep is that those flags don't need to work correctly, and we should be able to import as much as possible without worrying whether it's going to work right. This also applies to what I said above, from this point on we don't need to worry about how the flags actually worked, but rather what we want to go with. Although, I suppose you could argue against my point about Zevran then. We'll see!

 

And I also just sent in a request about the earring Zevran gives you if you romance him fully!


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I'm just dropping in here after a little bit away. The last post I made was about having non-white heroes represented in the Tapestry tiles, and I see that whole thread is gone now, which makes me fear that it devolved into an argument.

In the interests of AVOIDING future spats, could anybody who saw the discussion please PM me with a summary? I definitely don't want to revisit any topics that have been contentious in the past, and knowing the history of the conversation will help me avoid sore spots.



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I'm just dropping in here after a little bit away. The last post I made was about having non-white heroes represented in the Tapestry tiles, and I see that whole thread is gone now, which makes me fear that it devolved into an argument.

In the interests of AVOIDING future spats, could anybody who saw the discussion please PM me with a summary? I definitely don't want to revisit any topics that have been contentious in the past, and knowing the history of the conversation will help me avoid sore spots.

 

Don't think anything got locked for any arguments (everything was pretty civil, from what I saw). The "purge" came because they did a small update to the Keep... um, yesterday or the day before, I think... and most of the non-pinned threads got whisked away somewhere after that happened. I assume to make room for new threads revolving around the updated stuff. :)


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#184
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Don't think anything got locked for any arguments (everything was pretty civil, from what I saw). The "purge" came because they did a small update to the Keep... um, yesterday or the day before, I think... and most of the non-pinned threads got whisked away somewhere after that happened. I assume to make room for new threads revolving around the updated stuff. :)

Oh yay! I'm relieved to hear it :D



#185
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We (the devs) can still read the old threads as well, so we'll still be able to see any feedback or other comments you left there before they were closed :)


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#186
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One of my favorite world states involves playing as a renegade noble male warden that leaves a trail of blood in his wake in order to save Fereldan and avenge his family. Then playing as a female mage in DA2, being mostly diplomatic, but willing to do whatever it takes to free her fellow mages without becoming the very thing the Templars fear them to be. Though I have a soft spot for my initial play through with a male city elf warden and a sarcastic Hawke, they sometimes feel like the same hero. So my question is whether or not you guys prefer to mix and match the history of the two games to the point that one is trying to make the world better or worse than the previous hero left it?


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#187
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I created a state called God of Death >:) . I killed off as many characters as I could and I allowed Logain to live. Had my warden marry Anora. Hawke Romanced Anders but still killed him at the end and sided with the mages and killed alot of templars. After Making this state where i killed off as many of my favorite characters as i can...I am just tempted to delete it...


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I created a state called God of Death > :) . I killed off as many characters as I could and I allowed Logain to live. Had my warden marry Anora. Hawke Romanced Anders but still killed him at the end and sided with the mages and killed alot of templars. After Making this state where i killed off as many of my favorite characters as i can...I am just tempted to delete it...

 

I tried things like this on occasion, but found it very difficult to stick with - even as I was doing it. The desire NOT to be totally corrupt always won out!


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It would be interesting to see how it affects the world state. With so many heroes dead will the world be darker? How will leliana be since the warden left her for dead? So many questions on how this will affect a play through. Will the game be more challenging because of it? Well once the game comes out I might check it out.

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I tried things like this on occasion, but found it very difficult to stick with - even as I was doing it. The desire NOT to be totally corrupt always won out!

 

I've considered this as well . . . but when it gets to a dialogue or choice - my hand just stops.  It's crazy to think I'm that involved with my character that all I can seem to muster is the occasional sarcastic slap-down.  I just can't seem to make the corrupt choices I think it would be so interesting to actually do.  I have made a World State that is nothing like my actual games just to have a different kind of backstory - but even in the Keep - I found it difficult to go way over to the dark side.


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#191
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I've considered this as well . . . but when it gets to a dialogue or choice - my hand just stops.  It's crazy to think I'm that involved with my character that all I can seem to muster is the occasional sarcastic slap-down.  I just can't seem to make the corrupt choices I think it would be so interesting to actually do.  I have made a World State that is nothing like my actual games just to have a different kind of backstory - but even in the Keep - I found it difficult to go way over to the dark side.


The hardest decision in game was deciding Anders fate at the end of DA2.
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#192
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The hardest decision in game was deciding Anders fate at the end of DA2.

 

That one kills me every time. That's the decision that I've looked at from all angles and cried over for multiple reasons.

 

It only gets harder each time, no matter what that particular Hawke ends up doing.


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#193
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I never had a problem dealing with Anders. He went to far and, as much as I felt the mages were treated unfairly, he crossed the line with his act of terror. The only reason I even let him live in a playthrough was to ****** off Sebastian because he really annoyed me and I just didn't like him no matter how hard I tried. 



#194
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I've only ever killed  Anders twice, and once wasn't even on purpose. I let him go, but he came back. The rest of the time, he and my Hawke usually run off to have a desperately doomed love affair.


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#195
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I killed him once, only when I was romancing Sebastian.  Never ever again lol.


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#196
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I actually prefer not killing him because of the possibility of Sebastian razing Kirkwall to the ground in response is too good a consequence to pass up. Especially if Hawke romances Anders and their love dooms an entire city.


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#197
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I will definitely create a "why would you do that" state.  With how many times I have played these games, you would think I would have had at least one play through with all evil choices.  I just couldn't do it.  I think it's because I get so engrossed in the story, that I can only make decisions based on what I would do in real life.  Not saying I was totally a goody goody all the time, but most of the time I acted honorably.  It will be so much fun seeing how my evil character's choices effect DAI without me having to live through making them.  Lol!


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#198
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I finally made a world state where my Warden makes the ultimate sacrifice. Even though I've finished the game a ton of times, I've never been able to kill my Warden =/ Even my most awful, evil Warden I ended up sparing at the last minute! So now I'm anxious to see how it may affect the plot in DA:I (if it even comes into play). 

I think I need to do it for real at least once, just because I'm missing that achievement, lol.


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#199
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The only time I had my warden killed was for a world-state I made with a city elf who I roleplayed as a Viddathari. In that regard, I rationalized that the viddathari saw his role in the Qun as a Grey Warden, and a Warden's role is to die to defeat a blight. For my other four world states I found excuses to keep them alive- my human mage with libertarian leanings and my selfish and anti-human dalish rogue both were too self-serving to die (the former, who was already romancing Morrigan, let her have the baby, and the latter made Loghain kill the archdemon). My dwarven noble thought it was his duty to be "fertile" to fight against the dwarves' falling birthrate, and so he also took Morrigan's offer, and my Cousland warrior really wanted to be king (or prince consort) of Ferelden, so he wouldn't have Loghain killed at the landsmeet and let him kill the Archdemon to satisfy Anora.


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Right, I gave an overview of the plan in the introductions thread, so I can try for some more details here. Since I haven't played either Warden through yet to have Hawkes, I can put in another post with the planned Hawkes. I do have Inquisitors in mind, so I can mention them, too. Running the "main" characters for right now, with all these events the planned "route".

 

Origins:

Rylei Tabris (fem rogue)

-Prologue: kills Vaughan

-Ostagar: persuades/pays for guard's food in return for the key, cured Dog, find lockbox to take to Jetta

-Lothering: Leliana and Sten recruited, help across the village

-Circle: sides with mages, Wynne recruited, Irving rescued

-Redcliffe: defend the village, do the ritual via Circle aid to save Connor

-Sacred Ashes: Ashes preserved, location kept secret

-Dalish: peace brokered between Dalish/werewolves, couple united, wife's fate shared

-Orzammar: support Bhelen, side with Caridin, Dagna goes to the Circle, Chantry established, Ruck's fate hidden

-Landsmeet: Anora for queen, Loghain executed, Alistair a Warden

-Pre-battle: Morrigan performs the ritual with Alistair to preserve the lives of the Wardens

-Battle of Denerim: Rylei kills the Archdemon

-Romance: Zevran

Dragon Age II

Ryven Hawke (fem mage)

-Prologue: Smugglers help with entry into Kirkwall, Carver survives, Hawke looks different from Varric's initial telling

-Act 1: Keran allowed to stay with the Templars, murdered wife found, misdirected the Templars hunting the blood mages, Saemus found and returned, Danzig killed, Ginnis killed, miners back to work, Idunna dead, Karras alive, Thrask's secret kept, Feynriel to the Dalish, Ketojan protected

-Act 2: Gascard dead, Hubert's looters found, Petrice stopped, Javaris left free, Feynriel to Tevinter, Arishok dead

-Act 3: Zevran free, Nuncio dead, Charade reunited with Gamlen, freed Emile, freed Keran, sided with the mages, killed the high dragon in the Bone Pit

-Legacy: Sided with Larius, found Malcolm's will

-Mark of the Assassin: let Tallis go, fought through Chateau Haine

-Romance: Anders

Inquisition

Azar Adaar (qunari fem mage)

-Romance: Iron Bull