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[Khayness]

I've heard great things about that game.

It's very rare for No Punctuation to actually like something.

 

I've found it pretty underwhelming. Not many video games are trying to deconstruct genres, I grant you that, but if you like that sort of thing in books/films/TVseries/etc., this will seem pretty bare bones in that regard. It's overhyped if you ask me. Military shooter games aren't really trying to be intellectually stimulating, so if you manage to provoke some thoughts, then congrats, you've made a masterpiece! Too bad your competition features evil guys stealing space nukes.

 

Omg, war is a bad thing! I guess kids don't have Remarque as mandatory reading material so the fact might have shocked them that gritty realistic modern FPS games are not gritty and realistic at all. So I can understand why it might had the intended effect on some people, and they hold the game in high regards, I'm just not that easily impressable anymore, sadly.

[Sir DeLoria]

It's might be stereotypical, but I don't know many experienced foot soldier that look like Bill Gate. What make no sense are the hero of korean and japanese rpg.

Nobody should look like Bill Gates, nerdy, weak protagonists are horrible, becuase they're usually unrealistic. But if you look at almost every military shooter, you'll see that the player character is a middle aged white man of average stature, average looks and short/no hair. The generic common Joe and that's boring, this template character has no personality, he's just a cookie cutter figure. What about colored or female soldiers? Like I said, Metal Gear Solid, a military espionage and TPS, is filled to the brink with amazing characters of both genders, all nationalities, personalities and ethnicities.

Depends on the JRPG, Final Fantasy has good protagonists for example.

[LPPrince]

It would be cool to have a nerd win the war with tactics and cunning. Make that nerd a girl, and you'll totally throw everyone off.

 

But come on, why would a video game nerd buy a game like that?

 

Hah, that'd be mint.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

The problem with the white straight protag is it's been so overused now it's hard not to think the writers/devs where being a bit lazy.

 

Still better than a violette bestial protagonist.

[TheBlackBaron]

Nobody should look like Bill Gates, nerdy, weak protagonists are horrible, becuase they're usually unrealistic. But if you look at almost every military shooter, you'll see that the player character is a middle aged white man of average stature, average looks and short/no hair. The generic common Joe and that's boring, this template character has no personality, he's just a cookie cutter figure. What about colored or female soldiers? Like I said, Metal Gear Solid, a military espionage and TPS, is filled to the brink with amazing characters of both genders, all nationalities, personalities and ethnicities.

Depends on the JRPG, Final Fantasy has good protagonists for example.

MGS doesn't even pretend to make an attempt at realism. Which is fine, that's just the style of the games and it's what it's been since the original Metal Gear (pre-Solid). They do their thing and we love them for it. 

Pro tip, though, most modern militaries - i.e. the kind that CoD and Battlefield are trying to ape - are filled with 20-30 something men, who frequently have short hair as is required by military regulations (unless they're going all OPERATOR like the Medal of Honor reboot tried). And, more often than not, feature a rather wide variety of races in the AI characters even if the (voiceless, essentially little more than a floating gun mount) player character is white. Although, hell, even that's not a given. Look at Ramirez in MW2.

You can argue that we need to break away from the "realistic" modern military shooter, and I'd agree with that, although the shooter genre is plenty varied as it is if you dig deeper than just the annual installment franchises. But saying "oh look, we have this transexual woman of color as our shooter protag, aren't we progressive??? LOVE US DAMNIT" would shake that up is laughable since the PC is, again, little more than moving gun mount. He's boring because he's nothing more than an extension of the player, not because he's a "generic average Joe". 

 

EDIT: Oh, and also, Spec Ops is quite a good game. It's just easy to get turned off because the mechanics are -intentionally- bog standard TPS military shooter because of the meta story it's trying to tell. So unless you're following along closely with that (and are picking up the dump truck full of Heart of Darkness/Apocalypse Now allusions) there ain't much to write home about. 

[Nate Assassin]

They should just make all new games all female. All the NPCs, the MC, everything so I can fulfill my perverted needs.

[Melra]

Bouncy boobs were not included in the animation budget.

[Orian Tabris]

I'm not sure you condone these excuses or not (although, really, an excuse isn't the same as a reason, so one would expect not to condone them). I, however, do not. All of these excuses sound like pathetic attempts at hiding how scared developers are, or how sexist they are.

[Orian Tabris]

Bouncy boobs were not included in the animation budget.

 

Awwwww, no boob physics?

[mybudgee]

Ah, yes. "Spec Ops: the Line"  .. We have dismissed that claim

[General TSAR]

Someone needs to play this:

 

x100.

 

It's one of those rare games that points out how much of a sick bastard you are (not only Walker but you the player) and I love it. 

[Luxorek]

Got to be the best game/story i have played in recent years, must admit even surpasses Bioware's story telling

 

That ain't very hard I'm afraid.

[General TSAR]

As I always say, the absence of something doesn't mean it's being intentionally excluded.

 

I'm all for more female protagonists in games. I love them. But I'm not going to shout from the rooftops that games are sexist and the developers are misogynistic pigs because they don't have some kind of "quota" number of female protagonists, or any female protagonists at all.

[bmwcrazy]

Need new costumes: Women wear different clothes to men. That said, females in real life can cross dress without the same stigma as men who cross dress. When men cross dress it is mostly for fancy dress, but when females cross dress it is merely one of the diverse fashion options available to women. So it is strange that developers use this excuse. There are many ways round this. You could explain that said universe, women and men have no fashion distinctions. This could lead to some baggy results do to female's different frames.

 

Well then, don't give them any clothes and proceed to sell millions of copies.

 

Problem solved.

[Abraham_uk]

 

 

So what do you think?

[General TSAR]

Ubisoft exploiting the politicization of video games to get more exposure and therefore potentially more sales.

 

Sound marketing strategy.

 

Besides I don't think the team behind Far Cry is being sexist, after all they did create a rather good playable coop character in the awesome CO-OP story.

http://farcry.wikia.com/wiki/Tisha

[Abraham_uk]

Ubisoft exploiting the politicization of video games to get more exposure and therefore potentially more sales.

 

Sound marketing strategy.

 

Besides I don't think the team behind Far Cry is being sexist, after all they did create a rather good playable coop character in the awesome CO-OP story.

 

Nice video by the way.

That is also a really clever point you made about marketing.

I don't know if that was the intention, but the "politicization" has probably helped sales immensely.

Heck it might even encourage more gamers to jump on board should Ubisoft a second female led Assassin's Creed.

 

 

 

I don't think I've ever accused Ubisoft of "being sexist" or any other bigoted "ist" for that matter.

There are very few games that I am happy to accuse of sexism.

 

Lack of diversity is not sexist, or racist or any other "ist".

Lack of diversity is quite simply disappointing.

 

Other than Saint's Row series, name one game that allows players to play as a transgendered protagonist?

Maybe WWE/WWF Smackdown games?

 

That to me isn't transphobic, but it's still disappointing.

 

Bechdel test doesn't highlight sexism as such. It highlights poor representation of female characters in storytelling as a whole.

Failure to adhere to Bechdel's rules is not sexism. However failure to meet the criteria (it's not a difficult criteria to live up to) is just reinforcement of the very disappointing trends that Bechdel laments so badly.

 

 

You see I am not going on here being "judge, jury and executioner" throwing claims of racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia etc at everything. I am highlighting trends that I personally find disappointing.

 

 

Besides the only games that I can think of that I'd consider "Sexist" is Ride To Retribution and possibly that volley ball game with "Dead or Alive" characters.

[General TSAR]

Sorry for accusing you of accusing Ubisoft of sexism, I was pointing the finger at Jim.

 

I've read too many articles where the author just bashes them for their sexism/misogyny because they didn't include a playable female co-op character in Far Cry 4.

[Abraham_uk]

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