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[KC_Prototype]

Happy with the new inquisitor, but I would like to know what happened to my warden and even Hawke.

Same, I'm glad we have new protagonist in the Inquisitor but I do want to know what happened to my Warden and Hawke.

[SilkieBantam]

The Warden and the Inquisitor are the same person? My, what a delightfully refreshing theory. 

[myahele]

I wonder if the Inquisitor will die due to closing all those veil tears. Hopefully there can be a ritual that prevents that

[byrdmanwes]

I may be off base here since I am not sure what year DA:I takes place, but from the time the Warden became a warden to the period of time Varric is telling his story to the seekers in DA:2 is approximately 10 years. If it took a decent amount of time before the Rift starts is possible that the Warden has taken his calling. For those of you that are not sure what the calling is, its when a grey warden's taint becomes to strong in him and he is sent to the deeps roads to die in one final battle. So if there has been enough time the warden may very well be dead. As far as where the heck Hawke is, I've got no answer on that.

[PCThug]

I don't envy the position of the developers. I imagine it would be difficult and delicate operation to incorporate the Warden and/or Hawke into the story without inciting fan rage.

[Gearwarden]

I can't remember from which website, but I remember hearing something about choosing the Inquisitor's background at character creation.  Mark Darrah recently said, at E3 I believe, that there are decisions players make that affect the world and decisions that affect the characters in it.  

 

For those of us whose Wardens are alive and kickin' around, it's been established in DA 2 that they're still doing...something, though it seems that something is outside of whatever their romance is doing: i.e. King Alistair going to Kirkwall, Morrigan to Orlais.  Of course, the details were vague and small and could be changed without any drastic changes to the story.

 

That said, I wonder if I'm the only one who has thought that one of the Inquisitor options could be the Warden.  One of the main gripes that people had was the Warden had no voice but now there are apparently several options for the lead voice.  

 

A DA:O Warden-Inquisitor has a slew of problems:

 

- Historical consistency: What has the Warden been doing between Witch Hunt and DA:I?

- Combat consistency: Why is the Hero of Ferelden starting at level 1? (Though this isn't a huge issue)

- Romance/Prior-Companion consistency: Old Protagonist with mostly new companions is hard to do, particularly for gamers who want to see their romance options play an active role in the party.  Think Mass Effect 3 if you didn't romance any of the ME3 party members.  

 

I know the Warden and Hawke are both supposedly disappeared by 9:40 Dragon but that masked gender-neutral guy running around with Morrigan is awful suspicious.  Compiled with how open the Inquisitor spot seems to be, there seems to be a very slim chance you could choose the Warden and stomach some consistency issues.

 

What I'd hate to see, as many people have suggested, feared and/or brought up, is a dead in a ditch Warden or even Hawke (who I did not really care about) in some random cave.  Just as much, I would hate to see those characters completely ignored or have their stories written without player-consent.  Having Hawke's story penciled in would be forgivable, but having a large portion of the Warden's story set in stone would seem like a betrayal to the concept of completely creating your own character and allowing the player to write their story.  

 

Then again, as Dragon Age is more about Thedas than individual characters, there is still room old characters to appear as protagonists in future games where the setting and story make more sense for them.  However, Inquisition's story seems heavily tethered to the Warden of DA:O, especially for players who stepped through the Eluvian in Witch Hunt, so it would be disappointing for the Warden to not show up at all or only in a cameo capacity.

Pretty sure the Inquisitor isn't 37...also he/she is a new character.

[Fizzie Panda]

Why are people so obsessed with bringing the Warden back? Like seriously, can't they just be happy with each game's protagonists as they come?

Ikr, I really don't want to play Warden or Hawke ever again, their stories are over. Also, I don't want to see them unless they're masked, because the whole transfer process might have changed their faces. Also, my warden didn't have a voice, if they added one, it wouldn't be "his" voice. I'm totally fine with characters talking about them, maybe Morrigan will tell what happened to the Warden, but I just don't want to meet them.

[CapivaRasgor]

Why are people so obsessed with bringing the Warden back? Like seriously, can't they just be happy with each game's protagonists as they come?

 

I would be perfectly fine if they left my Mage Warden in his vacation with Leliana.. but they didn't.

 

I think it far more likely that the Warden and Hawke have been kidnapped or something in connection with the main story.    May be using their blood for some arcane rite.  That could point to an alliance between the Architect and Corypheus, since the former wanted to Warden's blood for creating more intelligent dawkspawn and the latter was needed to free Cory from his prison.    So may be a combination of both is needed to free some other Magister or Old God from their prison.

 

However, we have been told that you can claim certain areas in the name of the Hero of Ferelden.   I don't think that points to you being the Warden but it could mean that you either meet the Warden or someone close to them who can tell you what has happened to them.    I'm pretty sure that finding out what has become of our previous two heroes will form an integral part of the story, otherwise it wouldn't have been flagged up so strongly at the end of DA2.

 

I think that the Warden will be participating in an important capacity but still an indirect one, like, sending messages and quests through Leliana? Kinda lame, but I can totally see BioWare pulling this off. As for Hawke, I believe they will get some screen time even if it is a brief one.

 

Going by the disappearing act trend, then it is safe to say the inquisitor will disappear too, of course Bioware could do an ME3 ending too ... the horror

 

Please take this words to the void my friend... I don't know if I can take another RGB in this life... it might turn me Tranquil.

 

I wonder if the Inquisitor will die due to closing all those veil tears. Hopefully there can be a ritual that prevents that

 

Your sarcasm has been noted. Perhaps the only thing we'll have to do is conceive a child with the soul of the antagonist in it... you made my night, loling hard here, thanks =)

 

I may be off base here since I am not sure what year DA:I takes place, but from the time the Warden became a warden to the period of time Varric is telling his story to the seekers in DA:2 is approximately 10 years. If it took a decent amount of time before the Rift starts is possible that the Warden has taken his calling. For those of you that are not sure what the calling is, its when a grey warden's taint becomes to strong in him and he is sent to the deeps roads to die in one final battle. So if there has been enough time the warden may very well be dead. As far as where the heck Hawke is, I've got no answer on that.

 

Alistair mentions the following: "You've got 30 years to live, give or take". By that account the Warden still has at least 20 years to live. If you are still in doubt thank think about this: King Alistair has been confirmed to appear, and he's still tainted, and by a longer period than the Warden.

[Texhnolyze101]

I would love to play as my warden instead of the new protag infact I would buy a DLC that allowed me to do so.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Alistair mentions the following: "You've got 30 years to live, give or take". By that account the Warden still has at least 20 years to live. If you are still in doubt thank think about this: King Alistair has been confirmed to appear, and he's still tainted, and by a longer period than the Warden.

Well as DG explained 30 is max that wardens can reach before calling some wardens have only few years. But i spared avernus and have his researches so i have +/- 200 years.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well as DG explained 30 is max that wardens can reach before calling some wardens have only few years. But i spared avernus and have his researches so i have +/- 200 years.

Wait, you spared a mage? And not just a mage, but a demon summoning, human experimenting, blood mage? Who are you and what have you done with TKS? 

[Texhnolyze101]

Well as DG explained 30 is max that wardens can reach before calling some wardens have only few years. But i spared avernus and have his researches so i have +/- 200 years.

 

I'm pretty sure DG once said he wished he didn't add that 30yr lifespan thing.

[CapivaRasgor]

Well as DG explained 30 is max that wardens can reach before calling some wardens have only few years. But i spared avernus and have his researches so i have +/- 200 years.

 

Could you link that for me? Suddenly this lifespan thing just became incredibly ambiguous '-'.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Wait, you spared a mage? And not just a mage, but a demon summoning, human experimenting, blood mage? Who are you and what have you done with TKS? 

Well that was years ago before i noticed pattern with mages in dragon age and was still on mages side and well and views changed in many ways.

 

 

Could you link that for me? Suddenly this lifespan thing just became incredibly ambiguous '-'.

here

 

and here about it

 

"TUK: On that note, you've said that it takes about thirty years more or less between the Joining and the Calling, ish, [DG grimaces audibly and visibly]...sorry! What can accelerate or decelerate that process if anything, or is it something you created that you now regret?

DG: It's something I put in Alistair's dialogue that I now regret! Afterwards I was like, "Wow, thirty years is a long time for that time frame." I didn't really intend when I was writing it, and only afterwards when I went back I said "Oh...I guess it does sort of implies thirty years after you take the Calling, doesn't it..." Sorry, after you take the Joining. That wasn't really my intention. But it's out there now so I'm like, okay, thirty years. But the idea is also that it varies. Thirty years is the maximum that you could probably expect. It's going to vary for an individual according to their willpower and the level of their interaction with the darkspawn. During a Blight you can expect that the Grey Wardens are going to have shorter lifespans. Outside of a Blight the Grey Wardens would tend to live longer. We have instances in the game of people going on their Calling after five or ten years. Alistair's thirty year quote shouldn't be taken as gospel, that's the way I like it.

TUK: I'm really glad you said that because I took it that you wouldn't live past thirty, and it was only the fact that everybody else seemed to think it was the opposite that pulled me with them.

DG: Well, if Duncan was thirty years old, he would look pretty good for thirty. Yeah, so it's supposed to be a maximum thirty years after you take the [Joining] but it can vary, so I'd say the rule of thumb right now is between ten and thirty years, is the most common."

[CapivaRasgor]

Well that was years ago before i noticed pattern with mages in dragon age and was still on mages side and well and views changed in many ways.

 

 

here

 

and here about it

 

"TUK: On that note, you've said that it takes about thirty years more or less between the Joining and the Calling, ish, [DG grimaces audibly and visibly]...sorry! What can accelerate or decelerate that process if anything, or is it something you created that you now regret?

DG: It's something I put in Alistair's dialogue that I now regret! Afterwards I was like, "Wow, thirty years is a long time for that time frame." I didn't really intend when I was writing it, and only afterwards when I went back I said "Oh...I guess it does sort of implies thirty years after you take the Calling, doesn't it..." Sorry, after you take the Joining. That wasn't really my intention. But it's out there now so I'm like, okay, thirty years. But the idea is also that it varies. Thirty years is the maximum that you could probably expect. It's going to vary for an individual according to their willpower and the level of their interaction with the darkspawn. During a Blight you can expect that the Grey Wardens are going to have shorter lifespans. Outside of a Blight the Grey Wardens would tend to live longer. We have instances in the game of people going on their Calling after five or ten years. Alistair's thirty year quote shouldn't be taken as gospel, that's the way I like it.

TUK: I'm really glad you said that because I took it that you wouldn't live past thirty, and it was only the fact that everybody else seemed to think it was the opposite that pulled me with them.

DG: Well, if Duncan was thirty years old, he would look pretty good for thirty. Yeah, so it's supposed to be a maximum thirty years after you take the [Joining] but it can vary, so I'd say the rule of thumb right now is between ten and thirty years, is the most common."

 

Thanks. But I think it still would be kinda lame if the explanation for the Warden disappearing was: "Oh, you know, he/she started to hear the songs and.. well, went to the Deep Roads." 

 

Anyway, since the devs confirmed the Warden wasn't going to be the protagonist a long time now, I'm not exactly unhappy to no play as them again.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well that was years ago before i noticed pattern with mages in dragon age and was still on mages side and well and views changed in many ways.

Ah. 

[ladyiolanthe]

OP, I believe that, back when the DAI Game Informer articles came out in August-September 2013, someone on the dev team (might have been Mike Laidlaw or Mark Darrah) explained that, since BioWare had been given another year to develop the game, which enabled them to add the playable races other than human, there wouldn't be a background selection available other than race and class.  The background thing would have been what they'd have done if the game had been released last year, with the only playable race being human. 

 

Edited to add: I am trying to find a source quote or video but there are just too many sources to go through...  I'll post one if I manage to find it.

 

Edited again to add: Found it! not Mike Laidlaw or Mark Darrah, but David Gaider...

 

 

David Gaider wrote...

 

 

King Cousland wrote...



This makes me wonder whether there've been any changes to the the origins also - will they be playable now, will there be more to allow variety for different races?

The race/class selection replaces the plans for different backgrounds we'd mentioned earlier. There's slightly more nuance to it, but it's not quite the same thing.

 

[Wolfen09]

yep, pick your race

 

Elf - dalish only, no city elf

 

Human - i dont remember off the top of my head

 

Dwarf - surface dwarf with family name cadash

 

Qunari - not of the qun, raised outside of it

 

of course the mage thing will spice things up a little bit, but it wont change the main background.  So far there have been no variances in this category since that article

[frylock23]

I'd really like to gain some closure with my Wardens and Hawkes .. except for the Warden who did the Ultimate Sacrifice. I know what happened to her.

 

That doesn't mean I have to actually play that character, but just disappearing when there are further games in the same world and time period just leaves a lot of question unanswered, especially when they keep using the same characters over and over. You really think these characters who supposedly knew these protagonists and central figures have no interest at all in what happened to them and are simply content to let them "disappear?"

[Mistic]

I'd really like to gain some closure with my Wardens and Hawkes .. except for the Warden who did the Ultimate Sacrifice. I know what happened to her.

 

That doesn't mean I have to actually play that character, but just disappearing when there are further games in the same world and time period just leaves a lot of question unanswered, especially when they keep using the same characters over and over. You really think these characters who supposedly knew these protagonists and central figures have no interest at all in what happened to them and are simply content to let them "disappear?"

 

I hope so too. I'm not very keen on the possibility of them appearing alive and kicking and not under our control, but some closure would be welcome. Even if it's just "the bad guy kidnapped them and turned them into hideous monsters, that's why you don't recognize their faces".

 

I'm intrigued about the "collecting banner points in the name of the Hero of Ferelden" thing. Do we have more information about it?

[laudable11]

It's technically feasible to place the Warden or Hawk as the inquisitor. Just recreate them in the CC after a special prompt in the game.

[ladyiolanthe]

It's technically feasible to place the Warden or Hawk as the inquisitor. Just recreate them in the CC after a special prompt in the game.

 

I think that NPC reactions would give the lie to any such insertion of the Warden or Hawke as the Inquisitor... all the NPCs in the game would be reacting to you as if you were someone new to them. BioWare would have to write a completely different game if we were able to play the Warden or Hawke... probably even two completely different games. It would become especially problematic if/when you encounter NPCs who knew or at least met the Warden or Hawke. Leliana, Morrigan, Cullen, and Alistair, who are all confirmed to appear in DAI, would not recognize your warden. Varric, Cullen, Cassandra, and Alistair would not recognize your Hawke. 

[laudable11]

ladyiolanthe, yeah the writers would have to do a little more work. I don't think it would be that much more. Although I am not a writer. Just my non-writer opinion.

[ladyiolanthe]

ladyiolanthe, yeah the writers would have to do a little more work. I don't think it would be that much more. Although I am not a writer. Just my non-writer opinion.

It wouldn't just mean extra work for the writers. There'd be extra work for the voice actors and animators, too. Then there'd be ripple effects to DAI companions who haven't met the Warden or Inquisitor, because they'd be hearing about him/her from those who have. And ripple effects on non-companion NPCs, too - because the Warden and Hawke are pretty famous, and what your Warden or Hawke did in the previous games would impact how the different factions react to them in this game. I really think it's rather more complicated than just recreating your Warden or Hawke and sticking them in the game, to be honest. Best to just start with a clean slate.