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[mikeymoonshine]

The Knight Enchanter icon is a heavy helmet surrounded by magic/flames. It could be that blue one, but i can't be sure from this resolution.

 

If they don't show "spec" abilities yet, then i guess indeed, Vivienne could be a KE. But from what we know about her, and what we know about the KE, if she is one, i'll be surprised.

 

She doesn't sound like the person who leads a charge into enemy ranks face first. She sounds like the political or strategical person behind the aforementioned one.

 

But i guess everything goes.

 

The Reaver and Templar icons are not the same as the ones on the website either though. They could be placeholders, they could just be different in games or they could just be different for companions. 

 

Vivienne has five trees the one being shown is spirit but that's not the tree for the icon above it. The spirit three is the one to the right, as you can see the tree matches that icon with the blue circle in the middle. I am guessing that the The Sword and Shield Icon is her specialisation and if they are just the nine we know already then it looks allot like KE to me. 

 

Why would you be surpirsed? KE is described as something only the most powerful circle mages can do and Vivienne is one of the most powerful circle mages. 

 

Well she is fighting with the inquisitor isn't she? She isn't at skyhold dealing with politics. 

[mikeymoonshine]

To each their own. However, I will still rebuttal: 

 

To say they're unique because of one or two original skills is nonsense to me. An entire tree should be completely akin to a character's persona, not just recycled from our protagonist.

 

True, the descriptions of the companion specializations are nice and original. But the execution is pretty insulting. 

 

Tell me, why did Anders' healing abilities have to be identical to the Spirit Healer's abilities? You mean to tell they couldn't have come up with something different, not even a little bit? Half of his tree was actually original, which i applaud, but everything else, including the other companion's specializations is nonsense. Defending Isabela wih All Hands on Deck, literally one original ability in an entire tree of recycled abilities? That just doesn't make sense to me.

 

Tell me this, how come Aveline and Varric had completely unique trees? None of their abilities were recycled or cloned from something Hawke has...not a single one. Maybe it's because Bianca cannot be replicated, but still. This shows they are capable of doing unique companion specializations, they just didn't do it for everyone. Therefore, I consider it a failed attempt.

 

Tbf Isabela was a Duelist first, she taught those skills to the warden and I guess to Hawke as well, so why wouldn't she have at least a similar skill tree? 

[godModeAlpha]

They also said they didn't want people to be forced to take specific companions like in DA2 because they are specialized in a role before you meet them and that classes can play all roles so you don't have to bring anyone specific.
 
Right now the Champion spec description spell "I'm THE tank". Whoever is the Champion companion is going to be the only real tank in the group. You're right back to DA2 with: I have to bring Aveline in my party because she's the only tank and I'm not a warrior.

I hate choosing party members based on skill alone, maybe there should be skill tress for banter.

I'm confused about the second paragraph. Are you saying in DAI there's a chance a party will have one champion?

[azarhal]

I'm confused about the second paragraph. Are you saying in DAI there's a chance a party will have one champion?

 

If the theory that 9 specialization means there is one for each of the companions, than yes that theory support a single Champion Warrior among the 9 companions.

[Aran Linvail]

Let me ask a stupid question , i dont want to start a topic and im not following the game like most people here , so dont get angry on me , what happens to the Blood mage ? It's gone ?

[Mirrman70]

Let me ask a stupid question , i dont want to start a topic and im not following the game like most people here , so dont get angry on me , what happens to the Blood mage ? It's gone ?

 

devs did not feel like they could properly show how corrupting blood magic can be so the they decided not to make it a spec. whether or not you or anyone else feels like blood magic isn't inherently corrupting isn't up for debate nor will it change their minds.

[Aran Linvail]

devs did not feel like they could properly show how corrupting blood magic can be so the they decided not to make it a spec. whether or not you or anyone else feels like blood magic isn't inherently corrupting is up for debate nor will it change their minds.

 

Thank you , sad i always like Blood Mage , well lets hope the other specs are good.

[Mornmagor]

The Reaver and Templar icons are not the same as the ones on the website either though. They could be placeholders, they could just be different in games or they could just be different for companions. 

 

Vivienne has five trees the one being shown is spirit but that's not the tree for the icon above it. The spirit three is the one to the right, as you can see the tree matches that icon with the blue circle in the middle. I am guessing that the The Sword and Shield Icon is her specialisation and if they are just the nine we know already then it looks allot like KE to me. 

 

Why would you be surpirsed? KE is described as something only the most powerful circle mages can do and Vivienne is one of the most powerful circle mages. 

 

Well she is fighting with the inquisitor isn't she? She isn't at skyhold dealing with politics. 

 

It does seem rather weird that the marker is locked on the sword/shield thing, but the abilities it shows actually refer to the next tree, the spirit one. I have no idea how they pulled that off. For everything else, the center icon matched the tree it was referring to.

 

Still, this is no confirmation that the sword/shield thing is a KE icon. Or it could. Or all the specializations appear on your character class tab, and you can select only few. I have no idea how this works.

 

I am talking about the aesthetic approach to a Knight Enchanter. It's not surprising about the force of will required, but about the mentality required. Leading a charge into enemy ranks face first, would assume(obviously, not guarantee), a heavily armored magic user that likes being up close and personal. I'm not saying Vivienne can't do it, or couldn't be the fancy pants that dances around and shouts "Not Today!" in the face of Death, but, she seems to me the kind of person that wouldn't even dare think that a sword slash would actually ruin her clothes

[godModeAlpha]

Let me ask a stupid question , i dont want to start a topic and im not following the game like most people here , so dont get angry on me , what happens to the Blood mage ? It's gone ?

No such thing as a stupid question 

[Mornmagor]

Thank you , sad i always like Blood Mage , well lets hope the other specs are good.

 

It's not established if Blood Magic is available through any means or not. It's just not a specialization.

 

There are however, chances of accessing it through story elements, personal choices, a stand alone tree, maybe through the necromancer or even rift mage specs, since we have no idea what they're really about(and at least necromancer sounds fishy).

 

And there is always the chance of it being entirely inaccessible to players.

 

So we'll wait and see.

[godModeAlpha]

It's not established if Blood Magic is available through any means or not. It's just not a specialization.

There are however, chances of accessing it through story elements, personal choices, a stand alone tree, maybe through the necromancer or even rift mage specs, since we have no idea what they're really about(and at least necromancer sounds fishy).

And there is always the chance of it being entirely inaccessible to players.

So we'll wait and see.

And DLC ...

[ElementalFury106]

Tbf Isabela was a Duelist first, she taught those skills to the warden and I guess to Hawke as well, so why wouldn't she have at least a similar skill tree? 

 

That's fair, but to be technical, Hawke can learn the duelist specialization without ever meeting Isabela. She's an optional companion. 

 

Also there's never any indication of any companion teaching Hawke anything, unlike Origins which has multiple of those.

 

 

Let me ask a stupid question , i dont want to start a topic and im not following the game like most people here , so dont get angry on me , what happens to the Blood mage ? It's gone ?

 

I always felt that they got rid of the Blood Mage specialization because it wouldn't make sense with a figure as high and powerful as the Inquisitor. 

 

With the Warden, it made sense because the Wardens have no restrictions on such dark elements. They also don't adhere to Chantry laws, which outlaws blood magic. A warden blood mage isn't so uncommon. Whatever it takes.

 

With Hawke, it was pretty retarded, but kind of believable. According to the DA:2 official/canon lore, if Hawke was able to avoid being discovered as mage at all for several years, then he was able to cover up his use of blood magic. By Act 3 where everyone knows, Hawke is too high of an authority figure to incarcerate him for being a mage, even a blood mage. It's honestly a poorly written mess, but it is what it is.

 

With the Inquisitor, I just don't see it. Who would trust someone who is an open Blood Mage? What's not to say that the Inquisitor gathered this massive army through mind control? Maybe he isn't the "chosen one" with his fade powers, and their unique fade ability is something they learned from a demon? Totally not trust worthy. That would be like making a Blood Mage (openly and willingly) King of a country. Just doesn't fit.

 

This Necromancy specialization is bound to have similar elements to Blood Magic, without officially being Blood Magic. So everyone wins, the story and fans alike. It was a smart move by Bioware, I questioned for a long time how it would be possible to pull off the Inquisitor being a Blood Magic in the story (unless they just disregard it foolishly like in DA:2)...

[mikeymoonshine]

That's fair, but to be technical, Hawke can learn the duelist specialization without ever meeting Isabela. She's an optional companion. 

 

Also there's never any indication of any companion teaching Hawke anything, unlike Origins which has multiple of those.

 

Yeah that was pretty bad in DA2, like how the hell did hawke become a spirit healer or a reaver? I guess that was just part of how DA2 was rushed. 

[mikeymoonshine]

It does seem rather weird that the marker is locked on the sword/shield thing, but the abilities it shows actually refer to the next tree, the spirit one. I have no idea how they pulled that off. For everything else, the center icon matched the tree it was referring to.

 

Still, this is no confirmation that the sword/shield thing is a KE icon. Or it could. Or all the specializations appear on your character class tab, and you can select only few. I have no idea how this works.

 

I am talking about the aesthetic approach to a Knight Enchanter. It's not surprising about the force of will required, but about the mentality required. Leading a charge into enemy ranks face first, would assume(obviously, not guarantee), a heavily armored magic user that likes being up close and personal. I'm not saying Vivienne can't do it, or couldn't be the fancy pants that dances around and shouts "Not Today!" in the face of Death, but, she seems to me the kind of person that wouldn't even dare think that a sword slash would actually ruin her clothes

 

I just think that there are trees they wanna show and trees they don't. Maybe there will be some kind of big reveal soon? 

 

It just doesn't look like the icon for anything else so I assume it's a spec and KE just seems more likely that the other two. It could be something else entirely though. 

 

I thought it was like magical armour and magical swords. I see where you are coming from though, I don't see Viv as Melee either but she just seems like a more likely KE than the other two if they are going to all have one of the nine specs. 

[ElementalFury106]

Yeah that was pretty bad in DA2, like how the hell did hawke become a spirit healer or a reaver? I guess that was just part of how DA2 was rushed. 

 

Sadly true. Honestly if there was a little extra companion story in which they teach Hawke their specializations, it would've made the recycling of the specializations much more justified, if you get what I'm saying.

[sunnydxmen]

vivienne the knight enchanter she circle mage in is said to be very powerful and knight enchanter for only skilled powerful mages. solas rift

mage he has been said to be  an expert on the fade. dorian necromancy he is from tevinter and magister he can learn do whatever magic he wants and tevinter would know to do it.

[adorkable-panda]

I'm still a little sad that Spirit Healer was taken out of the equation, I liked being a support mage for my party but they did say that healing will be nerfed in DAI but hopefully there's some facet of healing in one of the trees to make a true dedicated support mage. Unless all we have to draw is from Creation magic. 

 

Seeing as how Iron Bull has the reaver spec from screenshots of the leaked demo it's apparent that they're probably going for the one companion per spec thing. 

[Deflagratio]

Just my guesses.

 

 

Blackbeardwall - Champion

 

Cassandra - Templar

 

Iron Bull - Reaver

 

 

Varric - Artificer

 

Sera - Assassin

 

Cole - Tempest

 

 

Dorian - Rift Mage

 

Vivienne - Knight Enchanter

 

Solas - Necromancer

[mikeymoonshine]

I'm still a little sad that Spirit Healer was taken out of the equation, I liked being a support mage for my party but they did say that healing will be nerfed in DAI but hopefully there's some facet of healing in one of the trees to make a true dedicated support mage. Unless all we have to draw is from Creation magic. 

 

Seeing as how Iron Bull has the reaver spec from screenshots of the leaked demo it's apparent that they're probably going for the one companion per spec thing. 

 

According to the demo there is apparently now healing in the spirit tree so they could have just put an aspect if spirit healer in there. I dunno how far it will go though, it also looks like arcane is back in the spirit tree. 

[azarhal]

Varric - Artificer

Sera - Assassin

Cole - Tempest

 

Going by the screenshot of the demo, I don't think Sera is an Assassin (or a Tempest, not that we know anything about it). She has the following icon:

DA2 stealth icon,

"Flask/potion" icon (reminds me of DA2 miasmic flask icon),

DA2 dual dagger icon,

Bow/crossbow  icon,

Trap icon,

 

For Iron Bull, the spec icon was right before the first weapon tree. The "flask" icon would be her spec, although I think the trap icon would fit Artificer well too.

[Dabrikishaw]

I may irritate some of you with what I'm about to say, but the "unique" character specializations in DA:2 was bullsh*t. They weren't unique, they were renamed/recolored versions of the specializations offered to Hawke. 

 

Only 2 of them were actually unique: Varric and Aveline. If Bioware wants to do more of that, by all means. That's awesome.

 

2 of them were somewhat unique: Merrill and Anders. By somewhat I mean HALF of their trees were copied from Hawke, the other half is actually original. Starting with Merrill. half of her tree was just a recolored/renamed version of Hawke's blood magic specialization. Anders' healing skills are identical to the Spirit Healer tree, his Vengeance skills were actually original though (and terrible).

 

The rest were pretty much a bust. Complete (or almost completely) copies of Hawke's specializations.

 

-Isabela copied the Duelist tree.

- Fenris copied the Reaver, Berserker, and Templar trees.

- Sebastian had a weird combination of the Shadow and Dual Wield trees.

- Bethany and Carver just straight up had one of Hawke's specializations. Regardless of their fate (unless dead, of course).

 

So before you say "I hope Bioware does specializations like they did in DA:2"...maybe you mean to say "I hope they properly do the concepts of unique specializations like they attempted to but failed in DA:2".

Yeah,Let's then hope that those companion specs are actually unique this time. Tallis and Varric had completely unique specs while everyone else copied Hawke's

[Gtdef]

I too thought that companion special trees were badly designed. Just made some companions obviously better than others. On the other hand it added a challenge to make everyone viable in higher difficulties, but it's not much. After all it was creation/primal/vanguard/sabotage trees that made companions useful, not their damage.