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[fchopin]

Combat looks interesting but the animations and colour effects of strikes are way over the top.

[TheRealJayDee]

It's good they brought back the isometric view, but combat effects, weapons and animations are straight from DA2, way over the top and inspired by JRPGs. It's too bad they couldn't exercise a bit of moderation in terms of the aesthetic qualities of the game.

 

This is my main concern about the combat, it looks like it's still way too far on the wrong side of my personal 'GoT <----> Naruto' scale for my taste. The presentation of the combat was a far greater problem I had with DA2 than the recycled environments. But...

 

 

...I have by now done a really good job disconnecting myself from the DA franchise, to the point where I might actually be able to just start fresh with Inquisition sometime during the next years. All I wish for from now on is that the aesthetics they use in Inqusition are as close to a definitive version of how Bioware wants their world to look as possible (combat, races etc). And if it's the flashy, over the top combat that's fine with me. I don't have to love it, I just want to have the feeling there's an actual vision about how Dragon Age looks and feels.

 

There is, btw, nothing wrong with having action like that, it just needs to compliment the game's world and story. I'd say you can very well tell a compelling, convincing story about a teleporting, backflipping, bomb-kicking uber-killer... it just wasn't the story told in DA2 imo.  

 

But yeah, DA:I = fresh start (hopefully ).

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

I think its terrible, just like the combat in any other game, but i will suffer trough it just like i always do

[SoSolaris]

Looks cool to me. But considering that I'm one of the few who slightly preferred DA2 combat to Origins, the flashy animations and color streaks don't bother me in the slightest.

[Poliss]

Frankly speaking, the combat style looks average. Pretty close to something you may find in a modern asian mmorpg: exaggerated blows, too many sparks, etc.  I'd love to have "Assassin Creed" (first game) combat animations, but that's just not possible. We'll see if things improve closer to the release.

[Schmonozov]

Looks too anime-esque, it doesn't impress 'nor does it look good, make the combat look stupid if anything.

[cronshaw]

my guess is that there will be a ton of bitching here when the game comes out, which will make it seem (to the people who frequent these forums) like everyone hates the combat.

[In Exile]

Every time someone says the combat looks anime-esque I am tempted to put in a link to Berserk. 

[AlanC9]

And I wasn't either. I declared my opinion of DA:O difficulty clearly enough, I thought.

That leaves me a bit more confused as to what your original point was. DA:O was easy, but that's OK because such a game shouldn't be too hard? OK, I can see that. But then why were you getting involved in the conversation in the first place? I was saying that DA:O was relatively easy too, in opposition to Pateu's implication that it was relatively difficult. Was it just that I was being mean to Pateu?

[AlanC9]

As for the animation issue, I'm kind of lucky. I think it looks silly too, but when I'm actually playing the game I don't really notice such things. Unless the combat is so easy that I don't have anything to do but watch animations, but if that's the case the game's failing anyway.

[Elhanan]

While I would like it to be a tad slower with more physics & physical force being displayed, it appears to be better than the two prequels, IMO. As long as the MMO harpoon moves and the like are optional, I am shiny.

[Provi-dance]

Although they said they're "toning it down" compared to DA2 speeds, I'm not seeing a relevant difference, at all.

The attack speed is still rather Xtreme™, just how Bioware and its new fans (and some old ones) like it. Of course, it's important to adjust enemies' attack speed to only be 1/10 as Xtreme™ as that of characters whose buttons are being mashed. Players need to feel stronK and special.

 

 

At least we won't be seeing mages who need "1 hour" or "10 minutes" to cast a spell, right?   

[9TailsFox]

I prefer as much over top as possible, Meredith boss battle was my favourite, more like this.

if we have something like this I would be so happy.

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[Feybrad]

I have no qualms with flashy animations. Honestly, I thought Warriors and Rogues in DA:O looked quite boring in Terms of Abilities (but at least in Case of the Warriors, the fact that they had the only interesting Armor made up for it - Rogues really got the short end of the Stick...). So as I watched the dwarven Gameplay Demo I was exited about the new Taunt Animation, which featured some kind of yellow Orb Thingy erupting from the Warrior.

 

Frankly, though, I think these "over the Top" Animations are mostly in there to please the Developers themselves. They have a cool new Engine where they can make cool new Stuff that looks very nice, so why waste Opportunities?

[Fishy]

I prefer as much over top as possible, Meredith boss battle was my favourite, more like this.

if we have something like this I would be so happy.

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[9TailsFox]

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now watch this on speed 2

[Provi-dance]

I prefer as much over top as possible, Meredith boss battle was my favourite, more like this.

if we have something like this I would be so happy.

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Sorry, that's not fast enough. Attack speeds in DA:I are faster, ergo combat is more awesome clearly.

Poor enemies though, they don't get to be awesome, they're stuck with DA:O speeds forever.

 

 I think these "over the Top" Animations are mostly in there to please the Developers themselves. 

 

Indeed.

 

However, I would like to point out that I think animations can be "over the top" and also have a reasonable attack speed (i.e. the character doesn't swing like a robot, but instead makes a little pause between each swing). Just a thought.

[Fishy]

lol.. I really like the dark souls ''weight'' during combat. I'm not asking for an action game, but action game tend to make combat feel more weighty. When I am weilding a heavy warhammer. I just wish it seem to be a heavy two handed war hammer.

 

I really hate the ''floaty'' feeling a lot of RPG have.

[Wulfram]

Dark Souls heavy weapons attacks are as ridiculous in their way as DA2 attacks are.  Though I guess they fit the generally ridiculous weapons they're applied to.

 

The weapons that aren't ridiculously heavy are pretty cool, though.

[The Baconer]

How can anyone say before we've had a look at the actual mechanics?

 

Of course, visually, DA combat has never looked better.

[Provi-dance]

How can anyone say before we've had a look at the actual mechanics?

 

 

What's your opinion about Bioware's tendency to not reveal 'the actual mechanics' or their design principles for DA's combat encounters (other than +++fast/+++DMG)?

[Uccio]

The combat is too fast, Awesome ™, colourful and sparkly. Like saturday morning kiddy cartoon. But I guess that is the audience Bio is looking for with this.

[The Baconer]

What's your opinion about Bioware's tendency to not reveal 'the actual mechanics' or their design principles for DA's combat encounters (other than +++fast/+++DMG)?

 

Well, to be honest, for DA:I they already have, to an extent. And it looked really good.

 

However, I would really like a little encounter demo with commentary, showing the different ways in which the three classes may approach the same battle, while giving us a look at how specific abilities will work and their utility.

[Provi-dance]

Well, to be honest, for DA:I they already have, to an extent. And it looked really good.

 

However, I would really like a little encounter demo with commentary, showing the different ways in which the three classes may approach the same battle, while giving us a look at how specific abilities will work and their utility.

 

But.. wasn't it.. "How can anyone say before we've had a look at the actual mechanics?"

K, then we can comment, after all? Something has been shown, yes? 

 

What we know so far:

 

• giant discrepancy between enemies' HP and player characters' HP
• giant discrepancy between enemies' attack speed and player characters' attack speed
• classes are still comically made distinct by being divided into 'can wield these weapons' and 'cannot wield these weapons' categories

[bEVEsthda]

That leaves me a bit more confused as to what your original point was. DA:O was easy, but that's OK because such a game shouldn't be too hard? OK, I can see that. But then why were you getting involved in the conversation in the first place? I was saying that DA:O was relatively easy too, in opposition to Pateu's implication that it was relatively difficult. Was it just that I was being mean to Pateu?

 

My point was that your position lacks bearings. When you've played games like these a good part of your life, you acquire the ability to quickly understand the mechanics and what will be the most powerful factors and flows. I have to assume you are in that position. How many times have you finished DA:O? It's impossible to make a game that remains both highly challenging and satisfying, when the player has finally learned the ropes well. In particular if that player is mainly concerned with powergaming, optimizing, exploiting.

 

Personally, I don't care **** for that. I don't make optimal parties, I don't make optimal chars, and I'm not particularly interested in learning the under-hood mechanics either. My interest is in a game that still works, whatever choices I make for the sake of role-play sentiments, or variation. I learn what I need to win, from feedback, no more. A more "difficult" game has the meaning that I need to learn more, and do more retries. To me, DA:O 'Nightmare' is difficult. And it is so to most people. Which is the meaning of what I said: DA:O has about the right difficulty. On the PC, DA2 is IMO easier. Some battles may take longer, or rely on a little bit of randomness, but that has nothing to do with difficulty.

 

There is a certain type of person, for whom everything which they actually manage to succeed with, "is easy", and sometimes, often, even if they didn't succeed, "it still wasn't so hard, they could do it anyday, if they just could be bothered".