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how do we know Flemeth hasn't taken over Morrigan's body and that it really is Morrigan after all.....moooowaaaaaaa ;)

 

I have heard that idea bandied about before, and I hope to god that is not what Bioware has in mind. I haven't been waiting five years to see Morrigan again, only to find out it is actually her crotchety old mother possessing Morrigan's body.


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Hahaha, I know, right??

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I have heard that idea bandied about before, and I hope to god that is not what Bioware has in mind. I haven't been waiting five years to see Morrigan again, only to find out it is actually her crotchety old mother possessing Morrigan's body.

 

Wouldn't that make The Warden's actions pointless in attacking and killing Flemeth (until Hawke brought to life a portion of Flemeth's essence) to give Morrigan enough of a reprieve to make certain she would be safe (assuming the player made that choice, and didn't betray Morrigan's trust by deceiving her)? If The Warden chose Morrigan, I'd prefer to see Morrigan and Flemeth as two separate people.



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Wouldn't that make The Warden's actions pointless in attacking and killing Flemeth (until Hawke brought to life a portion of Flemeth's essence) to give Morrigan enough of a reprieve to make certain she would be safe (assuming the player made that choice, and didn't betray Morrigan's trust by deceiving her)? If The Warden chose Morrigan, I'd prefer to see Morrigan and Flemeth as two separate people.

 

Yeah, it seems like that would totally undermine the whole Grimoire/kill Flemeth quest from Origins. The entire point of that was to buy Morrigan some time. I don't see when Flemeth would have had the chance to "possess" Morrigan's body. I don't remember exactly how many years passed, but there was a while there where Flemeth was out of commission, she was reliant upon Hawke bring her back to life, and Morrigan was beyond the Fade with the OGB. 

 

I suppose anything is possible ... just seems very unlikely. Mike Laidlaw and the writers said that Inquisition is "Morrigan's moment," not Flemigan's moment.

 

Honestly, I think the only reason that rumor got started was because Morrigan looks slightly different in the 2013 E3 trailer than she did in Origins, but that is to be expected given that this is an entirely new graphcis engine and an entirely new character model. One beauty mark and we are automatically supposed to assume that she is possessed. Yeesh.


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Yeah, it seems like that would totally undermine the whole Grimoire/kill Flemeth quest from Origins. The entire point of that was to buy Morrigan some time. I don't see when Flemeth would have had the chance to "possess" Morrigan's body. I don't remember exactly how many years passed, but there was a while there where Flemeth was out of commission, she was reliant upon Hawke bring her back to life, and Morrigan was beyond the Fade with the OGB. 

 

I suppose anything is possible ... just seems very unlikely. Mike Laidlaw and the writers said that Inquisition is "Morrigan's moment," not Flemigan's moment.

 

Honestly, I think the only reason that rumor got started was because Morrigan looks slightly different in the 2013 E3 trailer than she did in Origins, but that is to be expected given that this is an entirely new graphcis engine and an entirely new character model. One beauty mark and we are automatically supposed to assume that she is possessed. Yeesh.

It was a year before Hawke restored her body, so that may have been enough time.



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Completely off topic, but your profile pic looks like Hawke as Brian Cranston hehe.

 

LOL , I haven't thought about that, but yeah, they look like :lol:



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Yeah, it seems like that would totally undermine the whole Grimoire/kill Flemeth quest from Origins. The entire point of that was to buy Morrigan some time. I don't see when Flemeth would have had the chance to "possess" Morrigan's body. I don't remember exactly how many years passed, but there was a while there where Flemeth was out of commission, she was reliant upon Hawke bring her back to life, and Morrigan was beyond the Fade with the OGB. 

 

I suppose anything is possible ... just seems very unlikely. Mike Laidlaw and the writers said that Inquisition is "Morrigan's moment," not Flemigan's moment.

 

Honestly, I think the only reason that rumor got started was because Morrigan looks slightly different in the 2013 E3 trailer than she did in Origins, but that is to be expected given that this is an entirely new graphcis engine and an entirely new character model. One beauty mark and we are automatically supposed to assume that she is possessed. Yeesh.

Yeah especially considering most of the returning characters look different. I'm looking at you Varric!



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It's funny that all of the best cosplayers are from Eastern Europe:

 

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Yulia's Facebook and Deviant Art pages are definitely worth a visit if you have a spare second.

 

https://www.facebook.com/kiranacosplay

 

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I love Morrigan, she is a deep and complex character. She's my second favorite character in Dragon Age (the first being Varric) and her romance is by far my favorite. It will be very interesting how much impact her relationship with the Warden will affect her motives in Inquistion.


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I don't think Morrigan is possessed at all. Didn't Yavana already debugged that theory in the comics?



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 It will be very interesting how much impact her relationship with the Warden will affect her motives in Inquistion.

 

I hope any Warden-related impact in Inquisition isn't exclusive to romancing her though. I'm really hoping the sister-like bond she developed with my female Warden has some effect in Inquisition as well. 


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I don't think any previous romance will affect the bigger picture at all. Insofar as Morrigan's role is tied into the main plot, it will be unchanged by the romance except in a superficial manner. The only influence I can see is that if there's a situation where  we can convince her to act in a certain way, that might be harder or easier depending on a previous romance.

 

As for the possesion hypothesis: that rumor was started by a few people who don't like Morrigan. While it's certainly a possible development, I put no credence in it whatsoever.



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I don't think any previous romance will affect the bigger picture at all. Insofar as Morrigan's role is tied into the main plot, it will be unchanged by the romance except in a superficial manner. The only influence I can see is that if there's a situation where  we can convince her to act in a certain way, that might be harder or easier depending on a previous romance.

 

As for the possesion hypothesis: that rumor was started by a few people who don't like Morrigan. While it's certainly a possible development, I put no credence in it whatsoever.

 

I agree that Morrigan's romance with the Warden probably won't have a significant impact on the overall plot of inquisition.

 

Falling in love with the Warden, performing the Dark Ritual, and conceiving the OGB would, however, have a significant impact on her personality (at least I am hoping). 

 

Cameron said something like, "Having a child would make one softer, you would think," and Gaider said that she has a "human role" within the plot ... i.e. she's not just a device to move the story forward.


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I don't think Morrigan is possessed at all. Didn't Yavana already debugged that theory in the comics?

 

Alistair comments that it was stopped (since it seems The Warden didn't betray her in Gaider's comic book canon), and Yavana remarks: "That poor, confused child. It is a gift."



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I agree that Morrigan's romance with the Warden probably won't have a significant impact on the overall plot of inquisition.

 

Falling in love with the Warden, performing the Dark Ritual, and conceiving the OGB would, however, have a significant impact on her personality (at least I am hoping). 

 

Cameron said something like, "Having a child would make one softer, you would think," and Gaider said that she has a "human role" within the plot ... i.e. she's not just a device to move the story forward.

I agree and Mark said who we romanced in previous games is important so a romance with Morrigan or Leliana will have a significant impact on their character in Inquisition. But I also think the Warden and Hawke have a big impact on all their companions regardless of romance so if they show up, they are changed base on what we did and how we treated and interacted with them.



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So what are thoughts on Morrigan and the regular baby (as opposed to Urthemiel reborn)? My main world-state has Loghain taking one for the team and Morrigan leaving the Warden with their love child in tow. I wonder how different he'll be from his Old God counterpart. I bring this up because it rarely gets brought up. It's either Old God or no child for a lot of people when there is in fact a third option.



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I feel like even the 'normal' offspring of the Warden and Morrigan would be a grade-A badass up there with Van Damme in his prime, plus magic.

 

He/she might just have more of a traditionally heroic role in events to come, rather than an earth-shatteringly cataclysmic role of uber-destiny that the OGB seems to be leaning towards. Even without the soul of an Old God, they could probably still cleave their way through a ton of bad guys/darkspawn/rooftop ninjas without flinching.



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So what are thoughts on Morrigan and the regular baby (as opposed to Urthemiel reborn)? My main world-state has Loghain taking one for the team and Morrigan leaving the Warden with their love child in tow. I wonder how different he'll be from his Old God counterpart. I bring this up because it rarely gets brought up. It's either Old God or no child for a lot of people when there is in fact a third option.

He should have a varied impact on DAI because the regular baby holds no super significance. I feel the regular baby will still make Morrigan more human but not furthering her plan.



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So what are thoughts on Morrigan and the regular baby (as opposed to Urthemiel reborn)? My main world-state has Loghain taking one for the team and Morrigan leaving the Warden with their love child in tow. I wonder how different he'll be from his Old God counterpart. I bring this up because it rarely gets brought up. It's either Old God or no child for a lot of people when there is in fact a third option.

I got that baby when I romanced her for the achievement...I felt bad when I realized this happened because I'd left her for Zevran. My warden was an irresponsible babydaddy.

 

..I admit I'd kind of laugh if I heard her complain about that to my inquisitor.



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I have a feeling that we will never even see the OGB in person, either in Inquisition or any future Dragon Age game. If we do, he probably won't have a significant impact on the game world.

 

Too many people complain that he isn't canon, that they didn't make the decision to perform the Dark Ritual.

 

Seems like a waste to me, though. Gaider created a character that really had the potential to mix things up and turn the world's lore on its head. I wish he would have had the courage to just make the Dark Ritual obligatory.



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Don't know if this has been brought up before, but you know that being that Morrigan was standing with in the forest in one of the trailers (the one with the furry head armor who raises a sword)? I think that may be the OGB (Old God Baby, if that is indeed what that acronym stands for), ready to raise havoc and do dear ol' mummy's bidding after having been lovingly raised and nurtured (or maybe not if Morrigan had any hand in the child-rearing) all these years in the Wilds.



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Don't know if this has been brought up before, but you know that being that Morrigan was standing with in the forest in one of the trailers (the one with the furry head armor who raises a sword)? I think that may be the OGB (Old God Baby, if that is indeed what that acronym stands for), ready to raise havoc and do dear ol' mummy's bidding after having been lovingly raised and nurtured (or maybe not if Morrigan had any hand in the child-rearing) all these years in the Wilds.

 

It's Cullen.



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Don't know if this has been brought up before, but you know that being that Morrigan was standing with in the forest in one of the trailers (the one with the furry head armor who raises a sword)? I think that may be the OGB (Old God Baby, if that is indeed what that acronym stands for), ready to raise havoc and do dear ol' mummy's bidding after having been lovingly raised and nurtured (or maybe not if Morrigan had any hand in the child-rearing) all these years in the Wilds.

 

Sorry to be a party pooper, but it has already been confirmed that the masked figure with the lion helmet is Cullen, one of the Inquisitor's advisers.

 

Too bad it isn't the OGB - that would, indeed, have been interesting.



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I have a feeling that we will never even see the OGB in person, either in Inquisition or any future Dragon Age game. If we do, he probably won't have a significant impact on the game world.

 

Too many people complain that he isn't canon, that they didn't make the decision to perform the Dark Ritual.

 

Seems like a waste to me, though. Gaider created a character that really had the potential to mix things up and turn the world's lore on its head. I wish he would have had the courage to just make the Dark Ritual obligatory.

 

Easy way to get the OGB some limelight and be a factor in the Dragon Age universe without fans going crazy they didn't do the dark ritual is to introduce the OGB one day and the difference be who the father is. Like it could be the warden or Alistair or maybe it's some other random guy (which i'm sure bioware would explain and have it make sense). So the OGB exists no matter what, only the detail of who the father is would be different.

 

Honestly seems pretty simple to me, that is if they want the OGB to play a significant part in the Dragon Age Universe at all.


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