Oops, thanks all for the clarification on Cullen being that furry-headed figure! Serves me right for having been out of the loop for so long and only just beginning to catch up...
If that is indeed Cullen, his dress sense has certainly diversified quite sharply since the last two games.
Guest_Morrigan_*
Easy way to get the OGB some limelight and be a factor in the Dragon Age universe without fans going crazy they didn't do the dark ritual is to introduce the OGB one day and the difference be who the father is. Like it could be the warden or Alistair or maybe it's some other random guy (which i'm sure bioware would explain and have it make sense). So the OGB exists no matter what, only the detail of who the father is would be different.
Honestly seems pretty simple to me, that is if they want the OGB to play a significant part in the Dragon Age Universe at all.
I suppose that's a possibility. I could have sworn that I read somewhere, however, that if the player didn't elect to perform the Dark Ritual, then Morrigan never conceived the OGB. I may be mistaken, though.
If the OGB plays any Role in Future BioWare Games, I think it will turn out that it actually isn't quite as game-changingly significant as it could be expected.
Given that we know so little about the old Gods, much less what makes up their "Soul", I think the OGB will turn out to actually be just a very broody Child - maybe with great magical Talent, given it's Mother (I don't think Souls give someone magical Talent, at least not in my Theory) - or, worse, a Child that would come off to others as "retarded" (I do not mean that in any insulting Way), as it has the Soul of a Dragon, which might not be on par with a human Soul...
Anyways, having the Baby not be significant in a gamechanging Way is probably the only Way it will EVER play a Role in a Game.
But, it has a positive Side, before I'm thrown amidst the Sharks: It would make the Dark Ritual actually a much happier Ending.
I have a feeling that we will never even see the OGB in person, either in Inquisition or any future Dragon Age game. If we do, he probably won't have a significant impact on the game world.
Too many people complain that he isn't canon, that they didn't make the decision to perform the Dark Ritual.
Seems like a waste to me, though. Gaider created a character that really had the potential to mix things up and turn the world's lore on its head. I wish he would have had the courage to just make the Dark Ritual obligatory.
For me, a good opportunity for the OGB to be seen in game is to be the protagonist in DA4. Let me explain, you have a world state where a Warden romanced Morrigan and did the Dark Ritual, then in DA4 you choose to be a human male, you're background is that you where the son of a hero and apostate sorceress. The restriction is if you choose female, you don't get the OGB background and same if you choice Qunari. I'd like this to happen in a future DA game.
Easy way to get the OGB some limelight and be a factor in the Dragon Age universe without fans going crazy they didn't do the dark ritual is to introduce the OGB one day and the difference be who the father is. Like it could be the warden or Alistair or maybe it's some other random guy (which i'm sure bioware would explain and have it make sense). So the OGB exists no matter what, only the detail of who the father is would be different.
Honestly seems pretty simple to me, that is if they want the OGB to play a significant part in the Dragon Age Universe at all.
Hasn't Gaider said that the more games that go on, the less they want the OGB to be anything significant? Because it's more and more likely that the players are people who never touched DAO and therefor have no interest in the OGB?
As for who the father is..that could work, except for the child to truly be an old god they have to use an old gods soul, and if that happened no warden would have died killing the archdemon. Unless Morrigan managed to find another old god underground and a warden to do the ritual with and killed it down there and this all happened close enough to the end of the blight that there's no significant difference in age between the kid that would have been the warden/alistairs and the kid she made down in the deep roads.
TBH I would have just settled if the OGB was an origin you could choose if you chose to be a male human
I guess we will never play as the OGB. Maybe he shows up eventually, but just like companions from previous games do if you didn't get them killed. It's about 9:40, the OGB is only 10 year old, I think it's hard to make him important to the story by now.
I always figured at the most, he would just be an optional companion in a future dragon age game but another option is that the OGB will just be an NPC who can shed some light on the Old Gods for us and give us more insight into the origins of the Darkspawn and the Old God's motives.
Like for example, we could find out that the Old Gods were actually the agents of the Maker and were jailers for the big bad in DAI. We would then learn it was the big bad guy in DAI that convinced the Tevinter magisters to go to his prison in the Golden/Black City in the guise of the Old Gods. The Tevinter Magisters weren't able to free the big bad guy when they arrived but they were able to leave and the big bad guy took advantage of that. After the Tevinter magisters are made into the first Darkspawn and go back to Thedas, they have been given the urge to search for the Old Gods and corrupt them. As each Old God is corrupted, the prison of the big bad guy is weakened and the latest Old God that got corrupted was enough to free the Big Bad from his prison.
I still firmly believe that the OGB is actually inter-dimensional and is currently too busy putting buckets on Tamriel shopkeepers' heads to show up in Dragon Age.
My feeling on what will happen with the OGB is something like this:
Flemeth / Big Bad / someone else knows the importance of the OGB to Morrigan's plans and kidnaps it. Morrigan agrees to help the Inquisition if they can rescue the OGB.
Path 1) If Inquisitor refuses - on her own Morrigan is unable to save the child and she becomes an adversary to the Inquisition. The Inquisitor has to fight a corrupted version of the OGB at some point in the game.
Path 2) the Inquisitor tries to save the OGB and Morrigan becomes a temporary party member in the side quest. During the quest Morrigan must choose between saving the OGB's power or saving the child itself. A non-romanced Morrigan chooses to try and save the OGB's power but the child dies in the process. A romanced Morrigan chooses to save the child but in doing so whatever special power the OGB has is stripped away and it just becomes a normal child.
In any path the OGB storyline for future games is tied up. This is generally on par with how Bioware has handled this stuff in the past (meaning very variable storylines).
I feel bad for having neglected the Morrigan thread.
I really do want the OGB to be mentioned in my first play through because I know for a fact my first import will be with the Dark Ritual
I have a feeling that we will never even see the OGB in person, either in Inquisition or any future Dragon Age game. If we do, he probably won't have a significant impact on the game world.
Too many people complain that he isn't canon, that they didn't make the decision to perform the Dark Ritual.
Seems like a waste to me, though. Gaider created a character that really had the potential to mix things up and turn the world's lore on its head. I wish he would have had the courage to just make the Dark Ritual obligatory.
i really hope the OGB shows up. really i do. it seems like a waste of a story if not, plus well the canon would be that morrigan abandoned her friends before the final fight
I suppose that's a possibility. I could have sworn that I read somewhere, however, that if the player didn't elect to perform the Dark Ritual, then Morrigan never conceived the OGB. I may be mistaken, though.
i read a theory somewhere once, that she may have been pregnant with the ogb before the dark ritual, and that she may or may not of seduced the warden (romance) or another warden before hand just in case.
i really hope the OGB shows up. really i do. it seems like a waste of a story if not, plus well the canon would be that morrigan abandoned her friends before the final fight
i read a theory somewhere once, that she may have been pregnant with the ogb before the dark ritual, and that she may or may not of seduced the warden (romance) or another warden before hand just in case.
If she was pregnant with an OGB no one would die just from killing the archdemon, but they did, and David Gaider has said multiple times that if you did not do the ritual there is no OGB.
I admit I'm more interested in Morrigans story without the OGB, since most of my runs don't have it.
Guest_TheDarkKnightReturns_*
The OGB is the key to battling the Forbidden Ones and permanently defeating the Formless One.
Guest_Morrigan_*
The OGB is the key to battling the Forbidden Ones and permanently defeating the Formless One.
I gotta say, I am always impressed by your command of DA's lore. I had never even heard of the Forbidden Ones or the Formless One, and assumed that you were making them up until I did a wiki search. I need to pay more attention to the codex entries.
Hi first time posting in this thread. But the OGB keeping it subtle might be right thing to do. Anyone here play wow? Well in the two issuie of the comics there was this protagonist. Med'an is disliked because hes the child of two important lore characters and he had the abilities of four classes. He has not and likely will appear in wow proper. Don't want the OGB to end like that.
Guest_TheDarkKnightReturns_*
I gotta say, I am always impressed by your command of DA's lore. I had never even heard of the Forbidden Ones or the Formless One, and assumed that you were making them up until I did a wiki search. I need to pay more attention to the codex entries.
What can I say? I have the gift of retention. 
On a more serious note. So far (other than Flemeth) the Forbidden Ones are the only thing that connect the Warden to the Champion. I suspect the Inquisitor might end up trading blows with Imshael. The Formless One is Morrigan's arch nemesis. Think about it.
Then there's this...
Vilhm Madon: (Chuckles) The adequate ones find the beacons, and then I find them. But you... you are already brighter than the signal at Ishal. Eyes are on you from a very high vantage, Grey Warden. I cannot hide in your wake, but I will not be a footnote! Witness Gaxkang!
Perhaps this is the reason behind the Warden's disappearance?
Then there's Hawke who captures Idunna and kills Tarohne. Whom hold the tomes and the Fell Grimoire that binds Xebenkeck. Tarohne mentions working with demons to bring back the magocracy. If Hawke follows through with that questline he has the opportunity to battle Xebenkeck himself.
Then Hawke disappears... Just like the Warden.
Things to ponder don't you think?
Guest_Morrigan_*
What can I say? I have the gift of retention.
On a more serious note. So far (other than Flemeth) the Forbidden Ones are the only thing that connect the Warden to the Champion. I suspect the Inquisitor might end up trading blows with Imshael. The Formless One is Morrigan's arch nemesis. Think about it.
Then there's this...
Vilhm Madon: (Chuckles) The adequate ones find the beacons, and then I find them. But you... you are already brighter than the signal at Ishal. Eyes are on you from a very high vantage, Grey Warden. I cannot hide in your wake, but I will not be a footnote! Witness Gaxkang!
Perhaps this is the reason behind the Warden's disappearance?
Then there's Hawke who captures Idunna and kills Tarohne. Whom hold the tomes and the Fell Grimoire that binds Xebenkeck. Tarohne mentions working with demons to bring back the magocracy. If Hawke follows through with that questline he has the opportunity to battle Xebenkeck himself.
Then Hawke disappears... Just like the Warden.
Things to ponder don't you think?
Why would the Formless One be Morrigan's arch nemesis? From a brief DA wiki search, all I could come up with is that it's a demon of some sort from beyond the Fade. Morrigan seems pretty apathetic towards spirits, demons, and the Fade in general. If I were to say she had a mortal nemesis, I would probably give that honor to the Chantry and its Templars.
Guest_TheDarkKnightReturns_*
Why would the Formless One be Morrigan's arch nemesis? From a brief DA wiki search, all I could come up with is that it's a demon of some sort from beyond the Fade. Morrigan seems pretty apathetic towards spirits, demons, and the Fade in general. If I were to say she had a mortal nemesis, I would probably give that honor to the Chantry and its Templars.
I PMed you. Think of that what you will. I don't to put it out there because if I (and several other people) are right then it's an enormous spoiler.
if he is saying what i think he is saying, that is one hell of a cool theory
Guest_Morrigan_*
if he is saying what i think he is saying, that is one hell of a cool theory
I'll PM you with what DarkKnight said. If you don't want any (potential) spoilers, though, I would suggest not reading it. I think he is definitely closer to the mark than I was with my whole "Corypheus = Big Bad" spiel hehe.
Why would the Formless One be Morrigan's arch nemesis? From a brief DA wiki search, all I could come up with is that it's a demon of some sort from beyond the Fade. Morrigan seems pretty apathetic towards spirits, demons, and the Fade in general. If I were to say she had a mortal nemesis, I would probably give that honor to the Chantry and its Templars.
Morrigan really doesn't have much of a problem with Templars. She doesn't like them much but she also doesn't blame them for doing what they believe is needed.
My feeling on what will happen with the OGB is something like this:
Flemeth / Big Bad / someone else knows the importance of the OGB to Morrigan's plans and kidnaps it. Morrigan agrees to help the Inquisition if they can rescue the OGB.
Path 1) If Inquisitor refuses - on her own Morrigan is unable to save the child and she becomes an adversary to the Inquisition. The Inquisitor has to fight a corrupted version of the OGB at some point in the game.
Path 2) the Inquisitor tries to save the OGB and Morrigan becomes a temporary party member in the side quest. During the quest Morrigan must choose between saving the OGB's power or saving the child itself. A non-romanced Morrigan chooses to try and save the OGB's power but the child dies in the process. A romanced Morrigan chooses to save the child but in doing so whatever special power the OGB has is stripped away and it just becomes a normal child.
In any path the OGB storyline for future games is tied up. This is generally on par with how Bioware has handled this stuff in the past (meaning very variable storylines).
I heard the OGB wont be relevant in Inquisition
Guest_TheDarkKnightReturns_*
I heard the OGB wont be relevant in Inquisition
Who told you this? If it isn't firsthand information please enlighten us with a quote. Negative wishful thinking is still wishful thinking no matter how much sense it makes to you personally. Unless you've played Inquisition, which is still in alpha, or until you post a developer quote I've decided to dismiss your source entirely.
Guest_Morrigan_*
Morrigan really doesn't have much of a problem with Templars. She doesn't like them much but she also doesn't blame them for doing what they believe is needed.
I think you can sum up her attitude towards the Chantry and Templars with one word: apathy. She doesn't give two shits about their religion, but will oppose them if they go out of their way to interfere with her plans.
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